The Lamb vs The Wall
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Topic: The Lamb vs The Wall
Posted By: Cluster One
Subject: The Lamb vs The Wall
Date Posted: March 24 2005 at 04:12
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The Lamb vs The Wall - Which is the 'Mother' of All Concept Albums? I voted for The Lamb, what with the raven flying away with the castrated member and all, how could I not?   Discuss... ------------- Marmalade...I like marmalade. |
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Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: March 24 2005 at 04:46
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The Lamb for it's pure originality, integration of all instruments and a vocal dynamic and narration unbeatable in the last whenever....The Wall is excellent but ages whereas The Lamb is timeless and never dates. ------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: Dragon Phoenix
Date Posted: March 24 2005 at 05:00
| 4-0 now.... |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: March 24 2005 at 05:13
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Voted Lamb. Still listen to tracks off the Lamb regularly. The Wall is a good album, but lacks those moments of beauty the Lamb has, and can be alittle despairing. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Zero the hero
Date Posted: March 24 2005 at 05:14
| I vote for 'Lamb lies down' only because i feel the title track single from the 'Wall' albums completely puts me off the mood. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 24 2005 at 05:18
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I prefer the Who's Quadrophrenia, but between those two... I guess I sort of like the Wall more. Roger Waters and Peter Gabriel are both seriously talented lyricists... the best that prog has to offer... if you ignore the fact Waters isn't really prog and Gabriel left the scene many years ago. |
Posted By: Richardw
Date Posted: March 24 2005 at 05:24
| 'The Lamb'. I have never liked 'The Wall'. |
Posted By: PROGMAN
Date Posted: March 24 2005 at 05:29
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The Wall!!!!!!! ------------- CYMRU AM BYTH 
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Posted By: Metropolis
Date Posted: March 24 2005 at 07:12
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Don't know The Lamb ( i know lots of
other genesis stuff), but find The Wall too depressing to take in one
listen, hmm, i think ill go track down a copy of The Lamb and get back
to you
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Posted By: valravennz
Date Posted: March 24 2005 at 07:21
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It was a toughie - I voted other: Queensryche - Mind Crime is very much a favourite. I listento it often and the more I hear it the more I am impressed. Live Crime is better still. and I add in Yes - Close to the Edge and Tales from Topographic Oceans. ------------- 
"Music is the Wine that fills the cup of Silence" - Robert Fripp |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: March 24 2005 at 07:23
Lamb has some brilliant songs but too many not so great bits that add nothing IMO.The Wall is excellent all the way through...although for greatest double concept album my preference is Aphdrodite's Child '666' 
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 24 2005 at 07:35
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I think The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway is about schizophrenia, the same way The Wall is about manic depresion and borderline behavior. Quadrophrenia is about Multiple Personality Disorder, Tommy involves psychosomaticism, Operation: Mindcrime has that part at the end where he convinces himself that he didn't really love Sister Mary, (I personally think he didn't in the first place, but that's me) Close to the Edge and Tales from Topographic Oceans don't involve mental illness OR even a storyline, but the lyrics appear quite trippy. 'A seasoned witch could call you from the depths of your disgrace and rearrange your liver to the solid mental grace' (Yes, I'm well aware that Jon Anderson knew what he was talking about) Aqualung is about a poor homeless guy. My point: The best rock operas don't involve aliens or magic. |
Posted By: valravennz
Date Posted: March 24 2005 at 07:40
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"Music is the Wine that fills the cup of Silence" - Robert Fripp |
richardh wrote:Posted By: Tarkustra
Date Posted: March 24 2005 at 08:09
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I'm voting "The Wall". There's no guitar solos in "The Lamb" that can compare with what Dave Gilmour does on 'The Wall' I can also understand the concept of 'The Wall', whether its depressing or not. Actually I think "The Lamb" is suppose to be depressing also. ------------- When you speak, is it you that hears? Are your ears full? You can't hear anything at all. |
Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: March 24 2005 at 08:14
I voted the Wall also. Nothing Genesis ever did compared to a what David Gilmour just does on Comfortably Numb...  ------------- THIS IS ELP 
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Posted By: Cesar Inca
Date Posted: March 24 2005 at 08:26
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IĄll stick to the Lamb vs. Wall - I voted for the Genesis epic because it comprises better musical material, better overall performances, less ups-and-downs, a more accomplished sense of drama in the instrumental parts and theatrical sensitiveness in the vocal parts, a stronger attitude, a more bizarre storyline and a more intelectually accomplished concept behind it, better lyrics, and a less corny happy ending. Yes, Gilmour is a great guitarist, but Hackett is more skilfull, more inventive and has more finesse... in a word, greater... but this is not the point. Regards. |
Posted By: Cygnus X-2
Date Posted: March 24 2005 at 10:05
UMMMM... NO!! Although Quadrophenia does have some of those aspects, Jimmy's (main character) multiple personalities make up the themes of the album. The album is actually about a teenager in the 60's who doesn't fit in with any group, and no matter how hard he tries, he can't fit in. And the rest is the story of his troubles, and how he tries to make his situation better. ------------- 
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Posted By: maani
Date Posted: March 24 2005 at 10:12
| Hmmmmmm...and I thought Dark Side was the mother of all concept albums?... |
Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: March 24 2005 at 10:14
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I only lied the first part of the Lamb, (first side of the first album, than it starts getting boring) The Wall however I like in it's entirety. but neither one is close to a masterpiece IMO. Marillion's Misplaced Childhood is as close as a concept album can get to being a masterpiece. best concept albums are Sergeant pepper, and Captain Fantastic and The Brown Dirt Cowboy.
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: March 24 2005 at 10:20
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Cygnus X-1, I'm sorry I misspoke, but what I meant is, the band was using the disorder as context, not just as the main idea. I agree, it is about Jimmy trying to find his place. |
Posted By: goose
Date Posted: March 24 2005 at 12:19
| The Wall always makes me feel really depressed (excellent though it is) so I can't really compare the two. |
Posted By: frenchie
Date Posted: March 24 2005 at 12:59
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i would have to go for Dream Theaters scenes from a memory being the mother of all concept albums. It has the best and most detailed storyline, told amazingly by music and lyrics, plus the album itself is a masterpiece of progressive rock, undeniable by the vast amount of 5 star ratings. ------------- The Worthless Recluse 
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Posted By: goose
Date Posted: March 24 2005 at 13:35
| I quite like Scenes but I'm sure there must be concept albums with more complex storylines (can anyone help me out here?). And at least three or four of the songs just keep going with the same riff (with or without a solo) for no reason (especially "Home" and the last track. I'd probably say the same about "Fatal Tragedy", but it's close to the first DT I ever heard so I still like it). When people say Dream Theater solo for the sake of it, I never understood what they were talking about until I bought Scenes and Six Degrees, both of which while in places have probably some of the most fantastic moments DT have ever done, they also have some pieces which either don't do anything at all for me or just drag on too long. |
Posted By: Zero the hero
Date Posted: March 24 2005 at 14:21
Ah fantastic '666' is one of the best albums i own. |
Posted By: Swinton MCR
Date Posted: March 24 2005 at 14:53
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This is like comparing LobsterThermadore with Dog-sh*te or Manchester United against Manchester City..... The Lamb is the masterpiece the wall is just another double concept album..... ------------- Play me my song, here it comes again |
Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: March 24 2005 at 14:56
in your humble opinion............... The Wall is far the superior album.I've never really got on with The Lamb.It just hasnt got enough great songs and music for me.IMHO. ------------- 
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Posted By: Swinton MCR
Date Posted: March 24 2005 at 15:15
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This is the old Floyd V Genesis argument in just a different guise, People who have Floyd as No 1 band don't tend to like Genesis, Genesis fans tend to like some, but not all Floyd. I think it is the psyche that leans you towards one or the other...... The Lamb needs to be re-recorded to get the production correct.......Can't see it happening though...... ------------- Play me my song, here it comes again |
Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: March 24 2005 at 15:17
Rubbish! I much prefer Genesis to Pink Floyd. I have a remastered version of The Lamb, but others have mentioned Genesis remasters.What am i missing? -------------
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Posted By: valravennz
Date Posted: March 24 2005 at 15:34
After some consideration (and having already voted 'Other') I would have to go with "the Wall" as I am not familiar with 'Lamb' . If there was a poll on the most depressing album in prog I would vote the "Wall" without question - I can only listen to it when I am depressed and then with some difficulty. I would not rate it as one of Pink Floyds greatest moments (ducking down out of range!!). There are better concept albums - someone mentioned Marillion's 'Misplaced Childhood' - would listen to that anyday rather than 'Wall'  -------------
"Music is the Wine that fills the cup of Silence" - Robert Fripp |
Posted By: alan_pfeifer
Date Posted: March 24 2005 at 15:41
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I had to vote for other, with my choice, although I'll get haggled for this, is a tie between the Mars Volta ablums De-loused in the Comatorium and Frances the Mute. As much as I like tthe 2 polled bands, TMV know how to tell a story with a farily straight storyline, but leave most for interpretation on the listner's part (Frenchie, you know what I mean)
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Posted By: goose
Date Posted: March 24 2005 at 15:45
| Incidentally, I don't consider either the Wall or the Lamb anywhere near as good as other albums by the bands. |
Posted By: Swinton MCR
Date Posted: March 24 2005 at 15:45
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I will have to buy the re-master I have got an AAD version of the Lamb - I think that this double studio album is very underrated - even by some Genesis fans...Just Like Topographic Oceans it remains in the top 10 prog albums (IMO) - It is not as strong as SEBTP - purely because that album has the incomparible "Firth of Fifth" and "Cinema Show" - but since that album is definately No 1 in all of prog...... The lamb has quality in abundance - and has got to be Genesis' best work after SEBTP...... No Floyd album ever gets near my top 30 albums - So we can't compare the two IMO..... ------------- Play me my song, here it comes again |
Posted By: Cluster One
Date Posted: March 24 2005 at 15:45
Gotta call you on that one Swinton. I'd have to put myself squarely
in the "Floyd school" but clearly favour The Lamb over The Wall The reason I picked these two albums fro comparison is because they really are the most bombastic, widely owned AND widely recognized of all concept albums. (I never said the best eh?) Quadrophenia and Tommy are huge, but THE WHO (albeit proggy at times) is not on the Archives. And yes there are other massive concept albums: Tales from Topographic Oceans, Thick As A Brick, etc etc (there are dozens) but none as widely known as the two in the poll. ------------- Marmalade...I like marmalade. |
Posted By: Swinton MCR
Date Posted: March 24 2005 at 15:54
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I was going off personal experiences at college and work when discussing music with people - A lot more people listen to Floyd (They appeal to pop fans far more than early Genesis) - I never heard a Floyd fan say The Lamb is better than the wall - so it's a first !!! ------------- Play me my song, here it comes again |
Posted By: comicbookguy
Date Posted: March 24 2005 at 16:35
| It's going to be 'The Lamb' for me, there were far more eclectic and surreal moments in that album. |
Posted By: Prog_Bassist
Date Posted: March 24 2005 at 16:38
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The Lamb by far.
The wall is pretty good, but doesnt even touch the lamb. ------------- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhuxaD8NzaY" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhuxaD8NzaY |
Posted By: Yams
Date Posted: March 24 2005 at 17:04
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Let me just get this out of the way: I'm a huge Pink Floyd fan, so you might not want to take this as seriously. I rather listen to The Wall than to Lamb. Not to take anything away from Lamb, but I find The Wall a much more cohesive piece of music. Lamb has it's moments, but The Wall has more of them. Musically I find them very different, though, so I can't really compare them there. Lyrically, The Wall is more straightforward than Lamb, and in the end I enjoy lyrics that are straightforward. Lamb is still one of my favorite concept albums ever. |
Posted By: Ben2112
Date Posted: March 24 2005 at 17:20
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Same here. To me, The Wall pales in comparison to the other 3 "big" albums; and The Lamb... has great moments, but a fair amount of filler as well. That being said, I love both albums a great deal, just not as much as their other work. |
Posted By: goose
Date Posted: March 24 2005 at 17:39
| I think the problems come when trying to write a whole double album's worth of short songs. I don't think either band had more than one or two on previous albums, did they? Even Dark Side of the Moon had relatively far longer tracks on. They probably just weren't used to it. However, some of the best moments by each band are on those two albums, they just seem to lack a consistency (odd, given the consistent theme of each). |
Posted By: Wizard/TRueStar
Date Posted: March 24 2005 at 17:44
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I'd say the Final Cut is 10 times more depressing thasn The Wall (granted it is a pretty personal album). I know dudes that have teared to The Final Cut. I like Genesis and The Floyd as much as each other but I can't stand Genesis after their self titled lp, however ALL THE FLOYD IS GOOD! I picked The Lamb however. I think it just moves me in such a hard to describe way. I don't even fully understand the concept of The Lamb completely unlike all the hard hours I spent listening to tha Wall and watching the movie contemplating what is going on. |
Posted By: elpprogster
Date Posted: March 24 2005 at 17:51
| Perhaps Jethro Tullīs Thick As A Brick |
Posted By: frinspar
Date Posted: March 24 2005 at 18:15
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'Lamb'
Because it's a great work. Not because I can't stand Floyd.
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: March 24 2005 at 18:29
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The Wall ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: The-Bullet
Date Posted: March 24 2005 at 18:47
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Tales from Topographic Oceans for me. But between the two listed -Both strong albums, but for me it has to be the Lamb. I sometimes get the itch to skip tracks on the Wall, but I prefer to listen to the Lamb the whole way through. ------------- 
"Why say it cannot be done.....they'd be better doing pop songs?" |
Posted By: topographic2112
Date Posted: March 24 2005 at 19:06
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As much as I really love 'The Lamb,' I'm gonna have to go with 'The Wall' just because of the overall storyline. My favorite concept album of all-time comes in a 3-way tie between 'Tales From Topographic Oceans,' '2112,' and 'Scenes From A Memory.' ------------- "Rock is the medium of our generation." - Yes - "Release, Release" |
Posted By: frenchie
Date Posted: March 24 2005 at 19:14
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i have been zinged and i love it! ------------- The Worthless Recluse
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Posted By: illustrated
Date Posted: March 24 2005 at 21:43
Close to the Edge is a concept album? |
Posted By: valravennz
Date Posted: March 24 2005 at 23:41
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"Music is the Wine that fills the cup of Silence" - Robert Fripp |
Posted By: terramystic
Date Posted: March 25 2005 at 08:24
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The Lamb! although I find the concept lyrics of WALL better... The choice was easy because The Wall is musically a very weak album compared to PF's masterpieces... Btw I like the song Comfortably Numb... Those 2 albums can't be the mother of all concept albums. We all know what where the prototypes: Sgt. Pepper, Freak Out, Tommy etc. |
Posted By: proggesser
Date Posted: March 25 2005 at 11:36
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While I have had a copy of both since 1979, (I believe I bought the Wall the first day it was issued,) I've given my vote to the Lamb. Simply, I can play this album from start to finish on LP without itching for a skip button. Great music! While I like the Wall, I generally play the CD version and find myself skipping from song to song past the tiresome TV crashes and theatrics. I haven't played side 4 (LP version) in years while side 1 and 3 (Comfortably Numb) get the ocassional listen. As a Pink Floyd fan, I prefer DSOTM, Meddle, Obscured by Clouds and Wish You Were Here to the Wall which can be played from start to finish. My favourite concept album remains Jethro Tull Thick as a Brick. JT Passion Play is cool too. |
Posted By: eduardossc
Date Posted: October 14 2005 at 09:15
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The wall has diversity, creative composition and songwriting only in just a few songs. Also, the style is way more conventional than Lambīs, with absolutely no prog. The Lamb is a step shy from the top of Genesisīmost creative stage. A band that had always been more original than Floyd, with much more imagination and songwriting skills. The Lamb is way better of course. |
Posted By: Progcupine
Date Posted: October 14 2005 at 09:41
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I voted for THE WALL!!! Maybe itīs a bit "hard to listen" album but once youīre in it... itīs the greatest album on earth!!!
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Posted By: magog
Date Posted: October 14 2005 at 09:57
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The Wall can't be the mother of all concept albums simply because when
it came out (1979) most part of concept masterpieces had already been
produced!
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Posted By: proger
Date Posted: October 14 2005 at 10:07
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the wall ------------- ...live for tomorrow... |
Posted By: krusty
Date Posted: October 14 2005 at 11:16
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Eskimo - The Residents If I have to choose between The Wall or The Lamb I'll go for Lamb Lies Down. I think Genesis were still at their peak when they produced this but Floyd had moved past their's with the Wall. ------------- http://www.humanism.org.uk/site/cms/contentChapterView.asp?chapter=309" rel="nofollow - Humanism |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: October 14 2005 at 15:36
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Sadly i havent heard The Lamb... so i cant compare them but the best concept albums i have heard are Scenes From A Memory and Universal Migrater (pts 1 &2 together) I know im going to get a pasting for Ayreon but i think its a great concept. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005 
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Posted By: FragileDT
Date Posted: October 14 2005 at 15:54
Now way, the concept in the Lamb spans most of the early Genesis albums concepts. It wraps up all of the early Genesis material. Read the lyrics to "it" and connect. Maybe you'll know what I'm talking about. The lamb is my favorite album so obviously I went with that. ------------- One likes to believe In the freedom of music But glittering prizes And endless Compromises Shatter the illusion Of integrity |
Posted By: Pr@gmatic
Date Posted: October 14 2005 at 16:14
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My vote goes to: |
Posted By: chessman
Date Posted: October 14 2005 at 16:30
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My oh my, another difficult one. I bought The Wall when it came out, on double tape. I was 20 at the time, and I wasn't too impressed with it. Too gloomy for me at that time. However...through the years I have learned to appreciate it more and more. Every track is excellent, with singalong melodies, brilliant musicianship, superb production, and biting lyrics. It gels together wonderfully, has a dark, yet clever storyline, and is the complete package. Put it up against almost any album and it would get my vote. But. The Lamb was, and still is, my favourite album of all time. So much atmosphere, melody, and brilliance in one earth shattering recording. So no contest.
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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: October 14 2005 at 16:41
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The Lamb!
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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: October 14 2005 at 17:21
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If I had to choose between TLLDOB and The Wall, then it would be the first of the two. Dark Side Of The Moon is on a par with The Lamb, though. That's one of my favourite concept-albums, together with Nude by Camel and Casino by Casino. |
Posted By: Rockin' Chair
Date Posted: October 15 2005 at 16:54
| The lamb |
Posted By: gok22us
Date Posted: October 15 2005 at 17:58
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The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway, is my favorite concept album/ double album. Followed by Tales From Topographic Oceans followed by the wall. |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: October 15 2005 at 19:02
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The Lamb by a 100000 miles and I thought Tommy was the first concept album ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: carlo394
Date Posted: October 16 2005 at 04:07
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Voted "The Lamb" ------------- ELP!!!!!!!! -----------------------------Excuse me for the ungrammatical, I'm not English! |
Posted By: Ultaigh
Date Posted: October 16 2005 at 04:27
| The Lamb!! |
Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: October 16 2005 at 07:15
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THE WALL!
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Posted By: BePinkTheater
Date Posted: October 16 2005 at 14:07
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Dare i say it?
SFAM ------------- I can strangle a canary in a tin can and it would be really original, but that wouldn't save it from sounding like utter sh*t. -Stone Beard |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: October 16 2005 at 15:03
and I thought Tommy was? ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Rochacrimson
Date Posted: October 16 2005 at 15:34
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I voted the Lamb because it was released 5years before The wall,but for me the first great concept album,mother of all of them,it is Aphrodite's Child-"666".A fantastic album without any coment like Euronews-No Coment ------------- Pedro Rocha |