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    Posted: September 22 2007 at 22:37
I found this on a website under the title "25 worst bands of all time"... Of course number 3 had to belong to us. And see the love there is for us prog-rock fans! (though, I must say, sometimes the accusation of pretentiousness has its grounds with some people, who really think they're better because they listen to prog...)... Read and Angry
 
 
 

"3. Emerson Lake & Palmer Welcome back my friends, to the pretensious crap that never ends. This band is the avatar, the representation of all that sucks about prog rock. Pretentious, arrogant solos that last for 15 minutes so that the band members can show off their knowledge of Beethoven, Handel, and some obscure 15th century harpsichordist that you're too uncultured to know about, but these virtuosos will indulge their trite man's burden and expose your primitive souls to. Lyrics straight from a Dungeons and Dragons game (I think ELP were the official troubadors or minstrels of Dungeons and Dragons). And of course, pitch modulations galore from that wacky Moog synthesizer. Isn't it neato what these newfangled thigamajigs can do, kids? For his next trick, Keith Emerson might just use that funky Peter Frampton mouth synthesizer thing. It was once written about the keyboardist from Yes, but it's such an appropriate dig that it bears repeating here: being able to play two keyboards at once is no accomplishment if you're playing utter crap on both of them that no one wants to hear.

This, above all others, was the band favored by socially inept loners who wanted to believe that deep down they were really better than everyone else was. A strong candidate for worst ever, Emerson Lake and Palmer have been making the world safe for pretension since 1970." (Taken from http://www.thechroniccurmudgeon.com/archives/2006/10/the_5_worst_ban.htm)

 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 22 2007 at 22:42
Pretentious, yes, but amazing, yes!

What were the other 24 bands?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 22 2007 at 22:45
Such aragance only makes me laugh!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 22 2007 at 22:47
Originally posted by jikai55 jikai55 wrote:

Pretentious, yes, but amazing, yes!

What were the other 24 bands?
 
Well, our only other "representative" is Kansas.
 
"22. Kansas I really could have done an entire list full of bad prog rock acts. Or, I could have just written a single sentence that said "prog rock sucks." But then I would have missed out on being able to belittle violinists in overalls playing songs about wayward sons and how nothing lasts forever but the earth and sky. When your only lasting contribution to pop culture was giving Ted "Theodore" Logan something with which to relate to Socrates, your band pretty much sucked."
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 22 2007 at 22:53
Er, are you saying that they're wrong ? Confused
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 22 2007 at 22:57
It's just an opinion...his reasons have points.
I could go on about anything on MTV for hours...so this guy better not think he's special in his 'opinion'.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 22 2007 at 22:58
So pretentious and arrogant are bad ... since when???
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 22 2007 at 23:06
Apparently some repliers, there in the link, disagree vehemently with the stupid dude that wrote it:
 

Posted by: Corey at October 24, 2006 11:57 AM

Except for ELP, everything in the Top 5 has earned its ranking tenfold, and, yet, the inclusion of ELP alone summarily disqualifies this entire list from any serious musical discussion.

Posted by: Linkmeister at October 25, 2006 04:55 PM

How you dare to name the great Emerson Lake and Palmer in your pseudo "Wayne's world" list. You're not that dunce! Maybe you know at least something about music. Do you feel some respect about people like Alberto Ginastera or Aaron Copland? Maybe not, BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW THEM. So, don't rate music that you don't have enough knowledge... For You, which are the best bands ever? The Pistols? Kiss? Slayer? Ramones? Gimme' a break.... All the rock genres have their own merits. ELP is one of the best bands in the Symphonic Rock camp. If you got a piano in your hosuse i'd like to see you trying to play the simplest ELP's song.

 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 22 2007 at 23:10
Originally posted by debrewguy debrewguy wrote:

Er, are you saying that they're wrong ? Confused
 
Let's dissect:
 
Emerson Lake & Palmer This band is the avatar, the representation of all that sucks about prog rock. Well, for a person that hates prog rock, this is really probably the best example.  Pretentious, arrogant solos that last for 15 minutes so that the band members can show off their knowledge of Beethoven, Handel, and some obscure 15th century harpsichordist that you're too uncultured to know about, but these virtuosos will indulge their trite man's burden and expose your primitive souls to. Well, ELP actually do that, but there's no need to assume everybody has to be "uncultured", and there's no crime in mixing rock with classics.... Lyrics straight from a Dungeons and Dragons game (I think ELP were the official troubadors or minstrels of Dungeons and Dragons). This is FACTUALLY wrong.. I don't know what lyrics are those... He's confusing ELP with Blind Guardian...LOL And of course, pitch modulations galore from that wacky Moog synthesizer. FACT. Isn't it neato what these newfangled thigamajigs can do, kids? For his next trick, Keith Emerson might just use that funky Peter Frampton mouth synthesizer thing. It was once written about the keyboardist from Yes, but it's such an appropriate dig that it bears repeating here: being able to play two keyboards at once is no accomplishment if you're playing utter crap on both of them that no one wants to hear. Well, WE want to hear.
 
This, above all others, was the band favored by socially inept loners who wanted to believe that deep down they were really better than everyone else was. He's right about SOME people who believe they're better than the rest because of their love for prog... but what about the classic insult to prog lovers? A strong candidate for worst ever, Emerson Lake and Palmer have been making the world safe for pretension since 1970." (Taken from http://www.thechroniccurmudgeon.com/archives/2006/10/the_5_worst_ban.htm)
 
Actually, I just want to see what people say about this text. I find it stupid, but it's the guy's point of view and it's not WRONG per se... it's just a point of view, and as any, could be commented upon...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 22 2007 at 23:16
Some critics are really very stupid arrogant when they go over and over about "prog being pretentious and self-indulgent"... they could at least change the disc side.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 22 2007 at 23:23
Pretentious and amazing, or crappy and sh*tty.

Tough call...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2007 at 00:04
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by jikai55 jikai55 wrote:

Pretentious, yes, but amazing, yes!

What were the other 24 bands?
 
Well, our only other "representative" is Kansas.
 


18 was Yes.

"18. Yes The hate affair with prog rock continues. This band is famous for having written a song comparing a relationship to a game of chess. You heard me. Freakin' chess. There is a reason that the phrase is not "chess, drugs, and rock and roll." It might be an apt literary analogy, but rock and roll is not literature. But then that was the problem with prog rockers in general; they were all pretentious forks who wanted to provide an education in the classics with their rock. Remember in Good Will Hunting? The "Barney" with the sweater and the blond ponytail who tries to embarrass Ben Affleck in front of Minnie Driver, only to get shown up by Matt Damon? That ponytail guy is the kind of guy who was into prog rock. He's the kind of guy who was in Yes. A bunch of Barneys, they were. Freakin' chess... how do you like those apples?"

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"I am a camera" - Trevor Horn

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2007 at 00:06
Originally posted by Kim Ankara Kim Ankara wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by jikai55 jikai55 wrote:

Pretentious, yes, but amazing, yes!

What were the other 24 bands?
 
Well, our only other "representative" is Kansas.
 


18 was Yes.

"18. Yes The hate affair with prog rock continues. This band is famous for having written a song comparing a relationship to a game of chess. You heard me. Freakin' chess. There is a reason that the phrase is not "chess, drugs, and rock and roll." It might be an apt literary analogy, but rock and roll is not literature. But then that was the problem with prog rockers in general; they were all pretentious forks who wanted to provide an education in the classics with their rock. Remember in Good Will Hunting? The "Barney" with the sweater and the blond ponytail who tries to embarrass Ben Affleck in front of Minnie Driver, only to get shown up by Matt Damon? That ponytail guy is the kind of guy who was into prog rock. He's the kind of guy who was in Yes. A bunch of Barneys, they were. Freakin' chess... how do you like those apples?"
 
That just pisses me off!Angry
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2007 at 00:13
Why would you make a list like that? All you're going to do is provoke people. I can understand making a list of your favourites, because people aren't as offended when their favourite band is left out than when it is ridiculed.


But I am torn. He hates those bands, why can't he share his loathing, and start a discussion?

And something else to add: His knowledge of Prog rock must be very minimal if he thinks that Yes is more overblown and pretentious than some of that other crap we listen to.

Anyway, this post has no point.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2007 at 00:17
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by jikai55 jikai55 wrote:

Pretentious, yes, but amazing, yes!

What were the other 24 bands?
 
Well, our only other "representative" is Kansas.
 
"22. Kansas I really could have done an entire list full of bad prog rock acts. Or, I could have just written a single sentence that said "prog rock sucks." But then I would have missed out on being able to belittle violinists in overalls playing songs about wayward sons and how nothing lasts forever but the earth and sky. When your only lasting contribution to pop culture was giving Ted "Theodore" Logan something with which to relate to Socrates, your band pretty much sucked."


What a dick! Angry
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2007 at 00:24
who is more pretentious, a hard-working band of brilliant players who changed modern music and those that appreciate their work, or a bitter jerk with an ax to grind...




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2007 at 00:26
Originally posted by darkmatter darkmatter wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by jikai55 jikai55 wrote:

Pretentious, yes, but amazing, yes!

What were the other 24 bands?
 
Well, our only other "representative" is Kansas.
 
"22. Kansas I really could have done an entire list full of bad prog rock acts. Or, I could have just written a single sentence that said "prog rock sucks." But then I would have missed out on being able to belittle violinists in overalls playing songs about wayward sons and how nothing lasts forever but the earth and sky. When your only lasting contribution to pop culture was giving Ted "Theodore" Logan something with which to relate to Socrates, your band pretty much sucked."


What a dick! Angry
 
Yeah, but Bill and Ted was a good movie.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2007 at 00:28
Originally posted by Chameleon Chameleon wrote:

Originally posted by darkmatter darkmatter wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by jikai55 jikai55 wrote:

Pretentious, yes, but amazing, yes!

What were the other 24 bands?
 
Well, our only other "representative" is Kansas.
 
"22. Kansas I really could have done an entire list full of bad prog rock acts. Or, I could have just written a single sentence that said "prog rock sucks." But then I would have missed out on being able to belittle violinists in overalls playing songs about wayward sons and how nothing lasts forever but the earth and sky. When your only lasting contribution to pop culture was giving Ted "Theodore" Logan something with which to relate to Socrates, your band pretty much sucked."


What a dick! Angry
 
Yeah, but Bill and Ted was a good movie.


Yea it was LOL, but I was really just responding to the bit I highlighted. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2007 at 00:30
Originally posted by darkmatter darkmatter wrote:

Originally posted by Chameleon Chameleon wrote:

Originally posted by darkmatter darkmatter wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by jikai55 jikai55 wrote:

Pretentious, yes, but amazing, yes!

What were the other 24 bands?
 
Well, our only other "representative" is Kansas.
 
"22. Kansas I really could have done an entire list full of bad prog rock acts. Or, I could have just written a single sentence that said "prog rock sucks." But then I would have missed out on being able to belittle violinists in overalls playing songs about wayward sons and how nothing lasts forever but the earth and sky. When your only lasting contribution to pop culture was giving Ted "Theodore" Logan something with which to relate to Socrates, your band pretty much sucked."


What a dick! Angry
 
Yeah, but Bill and Ted was a good movie.


Yea it was LOL, but I was really just responding to the bit I highlighted. 
 
People are so ignorant. They hear Owner of A Lonely Heart and assume all prog sounds exactly like it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 23 2007 at 00:31
Personally, I stopped taking offence at such comments a long time ago. People are free to say such idiotic things,  though I draw the line when they start insulting those who like something else - be it music, a writer, a style of clothing, or whatever. Unfortunately, it seems that in our world it is not enough to bash something you don't like - you have to slam those who like it as well.

BTW, it could be nice to find out what bands that jerk likes, and draw up a list of the 25 worst bands of all time based on that - then send him the link...Evil%20SmileLOL
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