Very "intelligent" comment about ELP...
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Topic: Very "intelligent" comment about ELP...
Posted By: The T
Subject: Very "intelligent" comment about ELP...
Date Posted: September 22 2007 at 22:37
I found this on a website under the title "25 worst bands of all time"... Of course number 3 had to belong to us. And see the love there is for us prog-rock fans! (though, I must say, sometimes the accusation of pretentiousness has its grounds with some people, who really think they're better because they listen to prog...)... Read and 
"3. Emerson Lake & Palmer Welcome back my friends, to the pretensious crap that never ends. This band is the avatar, the representation of all that sucks about prog rock. Pretentious, arrogant solos that last for 15 minutes so that the band members can show off their knowledge of Beethoven, Handel, and some obscure 15th century harpsichordist that you're too uncultured to know about, but these virtuosos will indulge their trite man's burden and expose your primitive souls to. http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/Lucky-Man-lyrics-Emerson-Lake-Palmer/13302F99F6B11DEC48256AB8002432F8 - Lyrics straight from a Dungeons and Dragons game (I think ELP were the official troubadors or minstrels of Dungeons and Dragons). And of course, pitch modulations galore from that wacky Moog synthesizer. Isn't it neato what these newfangled thigamajigs can do, kids? For his next trick, Keith Emerson might just use that funky Peter Frampton mouth synthesizer thing. It was once written about the keyboardist from Yes, but it's such an appropriate dig that it bears repeating here: being able to play two keyboards at once is no accomplishment if you're playing utter crap on both of them that no one wants to hear. This, above all others, was the band favored by socially inept loners who wanted to believe that deep down they were really better than everyone else was. A strong candidate for worst ever, Emerson Lake and Palmer have been making the world safe for pretension since 1970." (Taken from http://www.thechroniccurmudgeon.com/archives/2006/10/the_5_worst_ban.htm - http://www.thechroniccurmudgeon.com/archives/2006/10/the_5_worst_ban.htm )   ------------- 
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Posted By: jikai55
Date Posted: September 22 2007 at 22:42
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Pretentious, yes, but amazing, yes!
What were the other 24 bands? ------------- 
I like cheese and I like metal! --Mikael Åkerfeldt |
Posted By: Dim
Date Posted: September 22 2007 at 22:45
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Such aragance only makes me laugh! ------------- 
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: September 22 2007 at 22:47
Well, our only other "representative" is Kansas.
"22. Kansas I really could have done an entire list full of bad prog rock acts. Or, I could have just written a single sentence that said "prog rock sucks." But then I would have missed out on being able to belittle violinists in overalls playing songs about wayward sons and how nothing lasts forever but the earth and sky. When your only lasting contribution to pop culture was giving Ted "Theodore" Logan something with which to relate to Socrates, your band pretty much sucked." -------------
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jikai55 wrote:Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: September 22 2007 at 22:53
Er, are you saying that they're wrong ? 
------------- "Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case. |
Posted By: ProgBagel
Date Posted: September 22 2007 at 22:57
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It's just an opinion...his reasons have points.
I could go on about anything on MTV for hours...so this guy better not think he's special in his 'opinion'. |
Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: September 22 2007 at 22:58
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So pretentious and arrogant are bad ... since when???
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Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: September 22 2007 at 23:06
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Apparently some repliers, there in the link, disagree vehemently with the stupid dude that wrote it:
Posted by: http://thecynics.blogspot.com/ - Corey at October 24, 2006 11:57 AM Except for ELP, everything in the Top 5 has earned its ranking tenfold, and, yet, the inclusion of ELP alone summarily disqualifies this entire list from any serious musical discussion. Posted by: http://www.linkmeister.com/blog/ - Linkmeister at October 25, 2006 04:55 PM How you dare to name the great Emerson Lake and Palmer in your pseudo "Wayne's world" list. You're not that dunce! Maybe you know at least something about music. Do you feel some respect about people like Alberto Ginastera or Aaron Copland? Maybe not, BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW THEM. So, don't rate music that you don't have enough knowledge... For You, which are the best bands ever? The Pistols? Kiss? Slayer? Ramones? Gimme' a break.... All the rock genres have their own merits. ELP is one of the best bands in the Symphonic Rock camp. If you got a piano in your hosuse i'd like to see you trying to play the simplest ELP's song. ------------- Guigo ~~~~~~ |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: September 22 2007 at 23:10
Let's dissect:
Emerson Lake & Palmer This band is the avatar, the representation of all that sucks about prog rock. Well, for a person that hates prog rock, this is really probably the best example. Pretentious, arrogant solos that last for 15 minutes so that the band members can show off their knowledge of Beethoven, Handel, and some obscure 15th century harpsichordist that you're too uncultured to know about, but these virtuosos will indulge their trite man's burden and expose your primitive souls to. Well, ELP actually do that, but there's no need to assume everybody has to be "uncultured", and there's no crime in mixing rock with classics.... http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/Lucky-Man-lyrics-Emerson-Lake-Palmer/13302F99F6B11DEC48256AB8002432F8 - Lyrics straight from a Dungeons and Dragons game (I think ELP were the official troubadors or minstrels of Dungeons and Dragons). This is FACTUALLY wrong.. I don't know what lyrics are those... He's confusing ELP with Blind Guardian...
 And of course, pitch modulations galore from that wacky Moog synthesizer. FACT. Isn't it neato what these newfangled thigamajigs can do, kids? For his next trick, Keith Emerson might just use that funky Peter Frampton mouth synthesizer thing. It was once written about the keyboardist from Yes, but it's such an appropriate dig that it bears repeating here: being able to play two keyboards at once is no accomplishment if you're playing utter crap on both of them that no one wants to hear. Well, WE want to hear. This, above all others, was the band favored by socially inept loners who wanted to believe that deep down they were really better than everyone else was. He's right about SOME people who believe they're better than the rest because of their love for prog... but what about the classic insult to prog lovers? A strong candidate for worst ever, Emerson Lake and Palmer have been making the world safe for pretension since 1970." (Taken from http://www.thechroniccurmudgeon.com/archives/2006/10/the_5_worst_ban.htm - http://www.thechroniccurmudgeon.com/archives/2006/10/the_5_worst_ban.htm )
Actually, I just want to see what people say about this text. I find it stupid, but it's the guy's point of view and it's not WRONG per se... it's just a point of view, and as any, could be commented upon... -------------
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Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: September 22 2007 at 23:16
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Some critics are really very ------------- Guigo ~~~~~~ |
Posted By: Shakespeare
Date Posted: September 22 2007 at 23:23
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Pretentious and amazing, or crappy and sh*tty. Tough call... |
Posted By: Kim Ankara
Date Posted: September 23 2007 at 00:04
18 was Yes. "18. Yes The hate affair with prog rock continues. This band is famous for having written a song comparing a relationship to a game of chess. You heard me. Freakin' chess. There is a reason that the phrase is not "chess, drugs, and rock and roll." It might be an apt literary analogy, but rock and roll is not literature. But then that was the problem with prog rockers in general; they were all pretentious forks who wanted to provide an education in the classics with their rock. Remember in Good Will Hunting? The "Barney" with the sweater and the blond ponytail who tries to embarrass Ben Affleck in front of Minnie Driver, only to get shown up by Matt Damon? That ponytail guy is the kind of guy who was into prog rock. He's the kind of guy who was in Yes. A bunch of Barneys, they were. Freakin' chess... how do you like those apples?" ------------- "I'm a dinosaur" - Adrian Belew "I am a camera" - Trevor Horn "I am yourself" - Keith Emerson |
Posted By: Dim
Date Posted: September 23 2007 at 00:06
That just pisses me off! -------------
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Posted By: Shakespeare
Date Posted: September 23 2007 at 00:13
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Why would you make a list like that? All you're going to do is provoke people. I can understand making a list of your favourites, because people aren't as offended when their favourite band is left out than when it is ridiculed. But I am torn. He hates those bands, why can't he share his loathing, and start a discussion? And something else to add: His knowledge of Prog rock must be very minimal if he thinks that Yes is more overblown and pretentious than some of that other crap we listen to. Anyway, this post has no point. |
Posted By: darkmatter
Date Posted: September 23 2007 at 00:17
What a dick! |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: September 23 2007 at 00:24
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who is more pretentious, a hard-working band of brilliant players who changed modern music and those that appreciate their work, or a bitter jerk with an ax to grind... |
Posted By: Leningrad
Date Posted: September 23 2007 at 00:26
Yeah, but Bill and Ted was a good movie.
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Posted By: darkmatter
Date Posted: September 23 2007 at 00:28
Yea it was , but I was really just responding to the bit I highlighted. |
Posted By: Leningrad
Date Posted: September 23 2007 at 00:30
People are so ignorant. They hear Owner of A Lonely Heart and assume all prog sounds exactly like it.
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: September 23 2007 at 00:31
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Personally, I stopped taking offence at such comments a long time ago. People are free to say such idiotic things, though I draw the line when they start insulting those who like something else - be it music, a writer, a style of clothing, or whatever. Unfortunately, it seems that in our world it is not enough to bash something you don't like - you have to slam those who like it as well. BTW, it could be nice to find out what bands that jerk likes, and draw up a list of the 25 worst bands of all time based on that - then send him the link...  |
Posted By: Ghandi 2
Date Posted: September 23 2007 at 00:34
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I don't like ELP anyway. Or Yes. :P
But if it makes you feel better, I read through some of the rest of that blog (God knows why) and he's a jackass at best and an idiot at worst (musical taste aside).
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Posted By: rileydog22
Date Posted: September 23 2007 at 00:57
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We can all agree that there are a lot of assholes out there who closed-mindedly dismiss prog while obviously not even listening to it. We can stop making a thread each and every time one somebody puts something on their blog about how they don't like prog, ok? -------------   |
Posted By: ProgRockerJDS
Date Posted: September 23 2007 at 01:01
The fact that they're pretentious is what I love about them. 
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Posted By: Shakespeare
Date Posted: September 23 2007 at 01:01
Oh I agree, I'm openly one of them |
Posted By: KeleCableII
Date Posted: September 23 2007 at 01:01
| I'd like to know where the D&D comment came from since it seems to be a popular thing to rag on prog for. But who had those lyrics? ELP and Rush had some, but most prog bands didn't. Oh well. |
Posted By: Yorkie X
Date Posted: September 23 2007 at 01:50
See what comes from only listening to the "radio" and not taking any piano lessons kids 
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Posted By: fuxi
Date Posted: September 23 2007 at 06:08
| Sure, ELP often sound arrogant, but I just can't help it, I find some of those "fifteen minute" Hammond organ solos incredibly exciting! If you're going to hate all long and intricate instrumentals, you might as well write off 95% of all jazz recorded during the past sixty years. As for the Moog synthesizer, I know it sometimes sounds daft, but in Keith Emerson's hands it was, of course, far more than a gimmick. But anyway, there's no need to waste our time and take the writer of those "very intelligent" comments seriously. All he does is rant. You could bury ANY artist under invective, if you wanted to! |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: September 23 2007 at 07:14
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A critique written by someone who hates the genre is never going to be valid or relevant and certainly isn't one worth arguing against. It's like me writing a critique of P Diddy- an amusing five minute distraction on my part, but never something that anyone would take seriously. ------------- What? |
Posted By: M. B. Zapelini
Date Posted: September 23 2007 at 09:00
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It's all a matter of taste. I do not pay attention to these "The X Worst Bands of All Time". I like ELP, and that's enough to me. I don't mind if there are lots of people thinking they're crap, this is the kind of thing that does not bothers me. There are lots of artista praised by critics and I can't see why - e.g., in the 80s lots of people called Prince nothing less than a genius and, although I pay some respect to his work, I must say that he's not a genius IMHO!
I simply cannot understand why some people seems to take such criticisms as personal offenses. ------------- "He's a man of the past and one of the present" PETER HAMMILL |
Posted By: magnus
Date Posted: September 23 2007 at 09:01
calm down, kids, it's all good fun 
------------- The scattered jigsaw of my redemption laid out before my eyes Each piece as amorphous as the other - Each piece in its lack of shape a lie 
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Posted By: Zargus
Date Posted: September 23 2007 at 09:09
The more people bash ELP the more i love em.  ------------- 
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Posted By: White Shadow
Date Posted: September 23 2007 at 09:40
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The guy is an idiot. They don't play multiple keyboards to be flashy, it's to have different sounds, right? Or am I the idiot? ------------- [signature] |
Posted By: Chicapah
Date Posted: September 23 2007 at 09:47
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The fact that ELP is even on such an inane list proves that any mental midget with a crayon can express an opinion on subjects that he has absolutely no knowledge of. In 100 years their music will still be played while this idiot will be fertilizer. ------------- "Literature is well enough, as a time-passer, and for the improvement and general elevation and purification of mankind, but it has no practical value" - Mark Twain |
Posted By: Shakespeare
Date Posted: September 23 2007 at 09:52
Unless the human race is dead by then. |
Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: September 23 2007 at 10:02
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The best Heavy Prog band in Symphonic Prog!!!
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Posted By: kingdhansak
Date Posted: September 23 2007 at 14:07
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It always amazes me, whenever I read or hear someone take a dig at prog, they always mention solos that go on for ages. Maybe they should pay attention a little more. Yes, there was a bit of pretension going on, but that's only because these musicians were so damn fine at what they did. They were just playing to the best of their ability.
As for long solos, I've never heard a solo go on for 15 minutes. I've heard a 15 minute song with some short solo's in them, but never one that goes on that long. Anyone who has, please correct me.
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Posted By: Aspiring hope
Date Posted: September 23 2007 at 14:11
So let's see what we can learn from this: The process of writing lyrics to music is devoid of metaphors that range from genius and/or intelligent analogies to just sounding kinda neat (like love and chess, maybe)...or maybe just nerdy themes, well, the progheads will decide on their next assembly at the Dungeons and Dragons' tournament. Second, progressive rockers are pretentious because prog itself isn't what good ol' rock n' roll's about. Yes, infact, progressive rock should've been called "special/different" rock, rather than sounding so lofty. 
Which brings us to the third act of enlightenment. Let it be a lesson to all you prog artists: you may act superior in your aristocratic ostentation of talent, but it's the underdog outputs like Bon Jovi and Green Day out there that are breaking the rules and daring to write songs about jacksh*t, so whenever you stroll by in your fancy cars waving your huge wads of money, remember the little guys that are struggling to survive to maintain their ideals of selling out. 
Solution? Luckily, while all of you were composing/listening to quality music, I came up with the plan to balance the force: we'll use our gargantuan intellect - that drive us so pretentiously to want to provide education in the classics with our (well, the artists') rock - and build a time machine to pick up Axl Rose from his peak in musicianship and drop him in the 70s on a Yes tour. Think about it: there's no resistance to Axl's fashion tips with that much amount of acids, and what do you think you're gonna write about when those shorts are constantly reminding you of what goes on below the equador?  I predict that we'll have a new meaning to the song South Side Of The Sky. 
Sex? Yes. Drugs? They were always there. Sex + Drugs = Rock and Roll. Problem solved. Musical evolution...Nullified. Edit: Ok, well, this was uncalled for and the time wasted could've been spent in something constructive, thus I apologize for letting myself go in the midst of laughing it out...but come on, "Barney" from Good Will Hunting? -------------  |
Posted By: cursestar
Date Posted: September 23 2007 at 15:15
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This is a good example of "prog stereotype" - yes, ELP were overblown, yes, they were arrogant and full of themselves, but most things he's saying about them are factually incorrect. Plus, he's only really talking about Keith in that analysis.
And it's quite easy to criticise a band like Yes, but frankly, they're not the most ridiculous prog band out there, and I find their music highly enjoyable, almost spiritual. As for Kansas, well, I don't like them either. |
Posted By: Kid-A
Date Posted: September 23 2007 at 15:19
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The guys entitled to his opinion, but the fact that he insults people who listen to ELP and Yes just makes him an arsehole.
His whole argument about Yes was that they made a song about comparing love to a chess game! He hardly gave good reasoning. ------------- 
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Posted By: Hirgwath
Date Posted: September 23 2007 at 15:54
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This man is a total jock. He constantly uses put-downs, and makes fun of those who are "less" than normal, thus implying that he is more macho or whatever. His musical opinions are worthless, because they're about coolness, not about music. ------------- Skwisgaar Skwigelf: taller than a tree. Toki Wartooth: not a bumblebee. |
Posted By: Elcroft
Date Posted: September 23 2007 at 16:53
Exactly.
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Posted By: Kid-A
Date Posted: September 23 2007 at 16:54
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^Well put Hirgwath -------------
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Posted By: Elcroft
Date Posted: September 23 2007 at 16:57
Actually, most people who heard Owner of a Lonely Heart wouldn't even know Yes were a prog band.
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Posted By: convocation
Date Posted: September 23 2007 at 17:45
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It's too bad junk like this original quote "3. Emerson Lake & Palmer Welcome back my friends, to the pretensious crap ... " gets posted anywhere. Anybody who likes prog has the right to be at least a little bothered. But the longer the thread gets, the more credence....... It's already been said, but worth repeating. Best to just let it go, and move on. Obviously not someone or thing to get bent about. Ignorance is quite skilled at declaring its own lack of worth. |
Posted By: Elcroft
Date Posted: September 23 2007 at 17:54
Don't worry, I very much doubt he's reading this and getting his ego boosted.
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Posted By: magnus
Date Posted: September 23 2007 at 18:05
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Posted By: Evans
Date Posted: September 23 2007 at 18:10
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I guess i am all alone in actually seeing his point, then? Of course, i wouldn't call ELP one of the worst bands ever (too many ahead), but they are definitely one of the most embarrasing bands to play for someone else who doesn't like them, haha... ------------- 
'Let's give it another fifteen seconds..' |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: September 23 2007 at 18:11
you must really love me then... |
Posted By: T.Rox
Date Posted: September 23 2007 at 18:20
Why "embarrassing"
 if you like ELP, play their music for whomever. The person will either hear something that you hear ... or not. Whatever the outcome it matters not as we all have different tastes.And I am quite happy to go in and bat for early ELP. Brilliant!
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Posted By: andu
Date Posted: September 23 2007 at 18:22
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What, you don't like ELP, Tony?
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Posted By: Barla
Date Posted: September 23 2007 at 19:03
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Well, we have different opinions, but the way the guy expressed his ideas makes it offensive. I wonder what this guy was listening to when he first heard ELP (if he ever did)... ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Barla/?chartstyle=LastfmMyspace">  
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Posted By: Leningrad
Date Posted: September 23 2007 at 19:07
Probably Love Beach.
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Posted By: Evans
Date Posted: September 23 2007 at 19:21
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'Let's give it another fifteen seconds..' |
Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: September 23 2007 at 19:30
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I found his comments quite amusing and can laugh them off as the ravings of a sexually-frustrated and intellectually-challenged bitter old guy who can't handle more than three chords in his puny mind. A couple of specific comments. When I think D&D lyrics, I think Glass Hammer all the way. I never really thought of ELP as having lyrics related to D&D. But I will agree they were quite pretentious, and sometimes I think Emerson was more into flash and showing off than he was into good melody. But certainly not worth the derision he heaped on them. They were a good band who got carried away from time to time. And Emerson did do some pretty long solos. Although I don't know of any 15-minute long solos. In fact, the longest instrumental portion of a vocal song I can think of is the 12-13 minute long jam in Echoes. Not really what I'd call a solo though. ------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you? |
Posted By: Leningrad
Date Posted: September 23 2007 at 19:32
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Yeah, what's with the ELP hate?
You want cheese? There's a section for that... it rhymes with 'frog pedal'.
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Posted By: andu
Date Posted: September 23 2007 at 19:35
Grog channel? 
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: September 23 2007 at 19:47
I agree with you Barla, the arrogance of the guy really pisses me, he talks as if his opinion was the Holy Grail, he has phrases against ELP and Prog bands as if he was the owner of the real truth.
Iván ------------- 
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Posted By: rileydog22
Date Posted: September 23 2007 at 20:06
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Posted By: Leningrad
Date Posted: September 23 2007 at 20:10
| What's with all the self-quoting lately? |
Posted By: Leningrad
Date Posted: September 23 2007 at 20:11
I have no idea.
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Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: September 23 2007 at 20:14
I agree completely Doc. In fact, I couldn't have said it better myself.
Sorry, had a personality break there.  But we're all better now, I think.  ------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you? |
Posted By: Prog.Sylvie
Date Posted: September 23 2007 at 20:18
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This is crap.
One thing I must say: ELP and prog.music in general is acquired taste , like classical music. For us who grew up in the seventies, listening to this kind of music is natural, and easy. It's not arrogant or pretentious. It was the way that the music should be ,meaning like: ELP, Yes, Genesis, Pink Floyd, Gentle Giant, Focus, Triumvirat, Mike Oldfield, Morse Code ( I just bought their CD; amazing),Jethro Tull,...
So maybe here, the guy:
a) he is too young ( generation Gap)
b) He never listened to prog.music in his hole life: at least not the way it should be listened. Instead, he likes to listen country music or 4/4 rock and roll;
c) he is narrow minded ;
Maybe we should not pay attention to this kind of critics and never talk about it on a thread.
Anyway, ELP is still saling records; at least in my Province.
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Posted By: Barla
Date Posted: September 23 2007 at 20:43
Exactly.  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Barla/?chartstyle=LastfmMyspace">
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Posted By: Tarkus31
Date Posted: September 23 2007 at 20:43
Definatly agree with the acquired taste. ELP is my favorite band, and when I first started listening to them, I just couldnt pop in KE9 or Endless Engima or even Tarkus and listen to it all the way through. I started with easier stuff like Knife Edge and Hoedown. ------------- ~~~Brian~~~ "And if we all did the things we knew to be right, left would be the childish fears of danger in the night." -Graeme Edge |
Posted By: Yorkie X
Date Posted: September 23 2007 at 20:48
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I am a little bit annoyed with this but it only strengthens my prog resolve , what doesn't kill is progsters makes us stronger and that includes high fibre ignorance and distorted facts the big differance between us and the likes of sites like theirs is we know who we are and are comfortable with that , they on the other hand change with the fads |
Posted By: Ghandi 2
Date Posted: September 23 2007 at 22:51
I hate all of you.
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Posted By: Leningrad
Date Posted: September 23 2007 at 22:53
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Posted By: rileydog22
Date Posted: September 23 2007 at 23:00
Group hug! 
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Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: September 23 2007 at 23:06
and two beers later the group hug was followed by a group vomit.  ------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you? |
Posted By: oracus
Date Posted: September 24 2007 at 08:15
This is the most hilarious phrase i 've ever read in PA forum ------------- 
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: September 24 2007 at 09:16
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ELP have long been my favourite band.
They were bold,imaginative and very very original.They were fantastic players that raised the benchmark for live perforances.The seventies was full of boring hard rock bands and seriously boring punk bands.ELP brought colour and excitement and were a total one off and anyone incapable of seeing that is deeply sad (IMO).
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Posted By: sean
Date Posted: September 24 2007 at 10:34
i was curious as to what he likes, you should find out. also, i have no problem with people not liking my music, but it would be nice if they actually had an understanding it before you go and insult the music and everyone that listens to it. i also don't see anything wrong with putting intelligence into music, something he seems to be offended by. he also seems to hold the opinion that you're not allowed to be good at an instrument and play rock music. anyway, whoever wrote that really needs to find something better to do with his time. |
Posted By: Zargus
Date Posted: September 24 2007 at 11:24
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Posted By: Frier_John
Date Posted: September 24 2007 at 13:00
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ELP is my second favorite band (first being Yes). To some people,their music is noise, and to some other people,their music is the food for their souls...BUT. No one can deny their talent, their devotion,their genious and their legions of fans.
Unfortunatelly,not all people have the abillity to understand their work.So sad... ------------- Soon, oh soon the light, Ours to shape for all time, Ours the right; The sun will lead us, Our reason to be here. |
Posted By: MrHiccup
Date Posted: September 24 2007 at 13:32
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This poor guy has never seen Keith Emerson destroying a Hammond... :(
I would be scared to death if I were him. I mean, it's obvious that Emerson is a very dangerous man, with the knives and his Moog Flame Thrower!!
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Posted By: Asyte2c00
Date Posted: September 24 2007 at 15:21
| Who cares if ELP is pretentious, they're an amzing band. |
Posted By: Greg W
Date Posted: September 24 2007 at 18:45
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I wouldn't pay much heed to this guy. I wonder if he has actually written anything positive. Better to dwell in the negative and belittle other peoples's tastes then expose your own for others to potentially bash.
This guy has established his own site as an homage to all internet trolls.
Actually, I found him amusing.
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: September 24 2007 at 19:33
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I've heard of ELP: they gots lots of moolah and brain salad surgery backstage on the ol' sticky Persian rug.
Never heard of this guy -- wonder if Three Fates knows him?
Get the point? Who the f*ck cares what some non-entity writes on the web? He WANTS this reaction. Do the words "hook, line and sinker" mean anything to any of you?
 You'll be taking my sole Stynx review to heart, next.... ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: Failcore
Date Posted: September 25 2007 at 08:29
| I have to be honest, I don't like ELP that much; I like Kansas a lot more. However, I have much more respect than them thant to put them on a list like that. Maybe if it were 10,000 worst bands, I might actually get to the point were I was listing bands of that caliber, but really. Hate!=sux |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: September 25 2007 at 12:40
Didn't he also attach his organ (no not that one, dirty minded people ) to a pole for one tour so he could strap himself to it, raise it above the stage and rotate while playing a solo? ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: Prog.Sylvie
Date Posted: September 25 2007 at 15:06
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Amazing band, yes, and funny too. Judge by yourself.
http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=IgSLXqv-1CQ - http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=IgSLXqv-1CQ
Have fun. It was in Belgium. ------------- C'est la vie |
Posted By: Prog.Sylvie
Date Posted: September 25 2007 at 15:11
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http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=BRIB3umfoLo - http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=BRIB3umfoLo
The Sage.
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Posted By: Prog.Sylvie
Date Posted: September 25 2007 at 15:24
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Keith and his moog at the MoogFest.
http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=O6y1htz6jGE - http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=O6y1htz6jGE ------------- C'est la vie |
Posted By: Lucent
Date Posted: September 25 2007 at 16:54
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I love how the majority of the first page posts are users getting all upset over a kid's opinion on the internet. Thing is, he has not listened to Green Day, Simple Plan, Linkin Park, NoFX, Rancid or Fall Out Boy. However, opinions agreed on Black Eyed Peas. |
Posted By: Beastie!
Date Posted: September 25 2007 at 17:28
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I really don't mind if people don't like ELP or any other prog bands. That means I can feel good myself that I "get" it and they don't.
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Posted By: Nowhere Man
Date Posted: September 25 2007 at 17:42
Something like that. http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=uSm5IQFaTZA - http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=uSm5IQFaTZA ------------- 
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Posted By: Teh_Slippermenz
Date Posted: September 25 2007 at 18:47
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@ the talentless moron who put ELP on his stupid list: Die. :| Really, all of the other bands I could've handled, but EMERSON, LAKE & PALMER?? WTF???? Sure, I'm not a fan of the Karn Evil 9 lyrics either, but ELP are prog rock MASTERS!!! HOW DARE HE!! *smashes things* |
Posted By: Prog.Sylvie
Date Posted: September 25 2007 at 19:36
I have a magasine from the seventies called "L'histoire du Rock". ELP made the first page and you can see Keith with his organ and synthes and it's written; ELP Les Rois de L'Anti Rock. ( The kings of prog.rock). ------------- C'est la vie |
Posted By: jammun
Date Posted: September 25 2007 at 19:44
| Eh, I've pretty much grown to ignore these kinds of comments about ELP. This is not the first time (nor the last, I'm sure) that they'll show up in Worst Band lists. |
Posted By: Cesar Inca
Date Posted: September 25 2007 at 21:58
Well, there is no violin in "Carry On wayward Son", so if this guy has so many words to say about this band, at least he should be more thoroughly informed about one of its staple songs.
Kind regards.
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Posted By: Yorkie X
Date Posted: September 25 2007 at 23:22
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if he didn't say it nobody would have said it 30 odd years before him ... wonder if he is always this slow I mean hes not original not even creative.. just echo's of words we have heard time and time again by those who feel threatened by our presence .. and people like that should be hes gonna be redundant now bands like porcupine tree are starting to take control , prog is getting pretty big I hope he knows. The other thing regarding Kansas .. notice he could only name the two songs that get plenty of "Radio" he didn't reach for Closet Chronicles or Journey From Mariabronn or Magnum Opus he went straight for the easy target without digging deeper , had he dug deeper he would have found gold , people have even reported have strong spiritual experiences listening to some prog bands ... ahhh spirit that's where this little man struggles. "Sad little man trapped inside his sad little world, he can see out but never questions who's looking in, so arrogant so misguided, aimless , just a leaf blowing in the wind" please excuse my bad attempt at poetry been listening to fish marillion lately and its rubbing off.. |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: September 25 2007 at 23:29
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Posted By: bluetailfly
Date Posted: September 25 2007 at 23:48
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: September 25 2007 at 23:57
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forget you all bitchin about Kansas and ELP.. fans of those groups
should know that and expect it... but THIS...THIS makes no sense at all 15. The Fifth Dimension Much like the Captain & Tenille, I am not holding the 5th Dimension's biggeest hit against them; while "Aquarius" is a henious song, it was the late 60s, and both bands and the music buying public weren't in any state to comprehend what they were inflicting upon the world. No, it's the rest of this group's catalog that earn them my scorn. "Up, up and away in my beautiful, my beautiful ballooooooon?" Easily on the soundtrack to Hell. Look... when bizarro peacenik Germans sing about balloons, it's okay... but in no other circumstances are bands to sing about balloons. "Won'tcha marry me Biii-iiilllllll?" Not if you keep screech-singing that song, I won't; ugh. "One Less Bell To Answer" and "(Last Night) I Didn't Get To Sleep At All" are also on my hit list as among the worst pop songs ever. Marilyn McCoo... oh god what a voice.... maybe it was the fact they inspried Yes that got them on the list ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: September 26 2007 at 00:11
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: September 26 2007 at 00:15
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that one sort of came out of left field.. the list was the standard
list of bands that get sh*t upon by those who noting nothing about
other that what they hear from critics and the like.. But the 5th
Dimension.. right there with...Warrant.. hahahha... Warrant.
Oh well... just sort of jumped out at me. Not
exactly a band that many take shots at. Maybe his ex-wife loved
the group or something.
------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Cesar Inca
Date Posted: September 26 2007 at 00:27
Now that you mention that song 'Closet Chronicles', one of the brightest Walsh/Livgren joint compositions, it has a very mundane topic, the physical-psychological degradation of a loner who once was a very famous modern icon, i.e., Howard Hughes. Any aware rock critics (likeing prog or not) would recognize this as a genuine non-mystical subject, akin to many portraits of self-destruction in blues-rock, punk, post-punk, Goth and post-rock. Yet another example of this criticism's frivolity that takes itself way too seriously, and that's the worst kind of pretentiousness, the one that takes itself too seriously.
Anyway...
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Posted By: Nipsey88
Date Posted: September 26 2007 at 01:40
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Well, first off lemme preface this comment by saying I love prog...I mean I LOVE prog, I mean thats why I frequent this site. But with ELP, I can see his point. They were/are the antithesis of rock music, and quite possibly can be pointed to as the prime mover in instigating the punk movement of the mid 70's. Embarrasingly pretentious, overblown, and stuffy. Clobbered by rock and roll fans for removing any sense of direct rebellion in music and lyric, and equally revilled by classical purists for butchering the classics. Having said that...yeah I love 'em...seen 'em twice in concert, and I own pretty much all of their albums. But they are a "guilty" pleasure for me...and when I try to turn on my non-prog friends to the pleasures of progressive music, they are the last band I would ever play them. Just my opinion, and as the famous quote goes, "Opinions are like ___holes, etc..."  My comments are not meant to inflame or rile up their fans, just pointing out that I can certainly understand why they are despised by rock "critics". However the comment made about how all "prog rock sucks" in the Kansas entry is just dickish, and elitist (dare I say...pretentious?) in its own way...off with his head! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Nipsey88/?chartstyle=myspace02" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: September 26 2007 at 02:45
| All that could be sais about King Crimson, too ( for instance ). |
Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: September 26 2007 at 03:34
cur·mudg·eon  https://secure.reference.com/premium/login.html?rd=2&u=http%3A%2F%2Fdictionary.reference.com%2Fbrowse%2Fcurmudgeon"> (kər-mŭj'ən) http://cache.lexico.com/help/ahd4/pronkey.html - Pronunciation Key
n. An ill-tempered person full of resentment and stubborn notions. or even better:
 -------------  A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
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