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Walker
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Topic: Uninformed Reviews Posted: July 29 2007 at 22:55 |
I have been reading a lot of reviews lately and I'v noticed a fair amount of factual errors. These errors tend to make me dismiss the entire review as irrelevant. I'm not talking about *subjective* statements like "this is the best band ever!", but statements like "this song was clearly influenced by (say) Wondrous Stories by Yes", and the song being reviewed was recorded in 1973! The statement is patently untrue! (For those who don't know, Wondrous Stories dates from 1976-1977). My question to you is this: Do you tend to overlook these inconsistencies, or does it ruin the whole review for you?
Edited by Walker - July 30 2007 at 19:36
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stonebeard
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Posted: July 29 2007 at 22:58 |
I haven't read many reviews lately, but unless it's a big goof, I don't care. I called a band once post-rock or something when they were not post rock at all.
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Walker
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Posted: July 29 2007 at 23:00 |
stonebeard wrote:
I haven't read many reviews lately, but unless it's a big goof, I don't care. I called a band once post-rock or something when they were not post rock at all. |
I did the same exact thing LOL! ....... Of course I wouldn't expect anyone to take my review seriously after that, I was clearly not qualified LOL.
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thellama73
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Posted: July 29 2007 at 23:05 |
Usually when I see a glaring factual error, I think "this person doesn't know what they're talking about" and thus ignore their opinion. This is probably not fair, as I know I have been guilty of some very embarrassing goofs (I once confused Ian Anderson with Ian McDonald in a review of ITCOTCK  ) but nevertheless, that tends to be my gut reaction.
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: July 29 2007 at 23:10 |
I tend to overlook them. In the example you mentioned the person could very well have good opinions and be knowledgable about the album he's reviewing while not knowing when "Wondrous Stories" was recorded.
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Posted: July 29 2007 at 23:11 |
Answering your question, I tend to overlook them. From reviews, I'm trying to get an essence about what the music sounds like to determine if I might want to listen. I don't care if the person slips up with a fact. We can all have memory issues!  Now if they screw up constantly and it's obvious they have no idea what they're talking about, that's different.
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Walker
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Posted: July 29 2007 at 23:15 |
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
I tend to overlook them. In the example you mentioned the person could very well have good opinions and be knowledgable about the album he's reviewing while not knowing when "Wondrous Stories" was recorded. |
True, but I just can't get past the error. To me, it taints everything else they have written. I am certainly NOT saying I don't make mistakes. Actually, it's probably a mistake to dismiss an entire review because of one error, so there ya go! 
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NotSoKoolAid
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Posted: July 29 2007 at 23:31 |
Generally I take names, storing them mentally, so I may never read reviewers that make these factual errors you're speaking of. The probability of me reading a lying/ignorant reviewer is less this way.
Personally I've chosen to not write reviews myself. I believe only a few among the many truly possess a natural ability for it, knowing what's true and what's not, and so many more leave me thinking they are dumb or ignorant.
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ProgBagel
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Posted: July 30 2007 at 00:36 |
I think the correct solution is.....
Proofread/Double-check grammer, spelling and accuracy.
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: July 30 2007 at 01:45 |
I am not crazy about your topic title.
Where I come from to call someone ignorant is pretty rude.
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Walker
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Posted: July 30 2007 at 07:04 |
TheProgtologist wrote:
I am not crazy about your topic title.
Where I come from to call someone ignorant is pretty rude. |
I'm sorry, I meant it in the sense of "someone who doesn't know the facts is ignorant of the facts", not as a personal attack. I will consider changing it, how would you word it?
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Firefly
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Posted: July 30 2007 at 07:12 |
...perhaps "uninformed/misinformed" reviewers?
I think coupled with the little red angry smiley, it did come across as a little harsh.
How I stand on it: well, I read the review anyway. Even if the facts are wrong, how the audio affects the person and their opinions thereon are still valid. I might have a giggle depending on how glaring the error (like a Paatos reviewer in Sweden who stated that Brian Wilson had produced "Kallocain" instead of Steven Wilson.)
But if one is interested in opinions, why not read them, even if a tad inaccurate?
Edited by Firefly - July 30 2007 at 07:12
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Posted: July 30 2007 at 07:15 |
It's difficult to put it in one word. "Inaccurate" is close ... but I guess what you're really meaning is reviewers who write factual statements without double-checking them. Well, I think you can't know everything, and sometimes you just deduce something and get used to it - if it fits - although it's factually wrong. In the case of these Yes songs ... well, obviously the reviewer thought that they sound much alike. IMO it doesn't matter that much which one was released first, but of course a minor mistake like that shows that he's probably not *the* expert on Yes.
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BaldFriede
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Posted: July 30 2007 at 09:08 |
I guess we are all completely flawless and never make any such stupid mistakes except for those poor losers  . So down with them! 
Edited by BaldFriede - July 30 2007 at 09:09
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Posted: July 30 2007 at 09:36 |
If the error is funny - I'll chuckle, if it has absolutely no relavence to the review then I'll ignore the error and read on but if it is relates directly to the reviewers impression of the album then I'm affraid I'll ignore the whole review (stating an opinion as if it were fact usually does it for me).
We all have made the odd gaff that would regulate us to psueds corner at sometime. 
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Firefly
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Posted: July 30 2007 at 09:44 |
oooh...sorry...I mentioned the agro smiley, but I think I confused that with the "Regressive archives" thread. Oops!!
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BaldFriede
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Posted: July 30 2007 at 10:05 |
ProgBagel wrote:
I think the correct solution is.....
Proofread/Double-check grammer, spelling and accuracy. |
Exactly; you would have noticed it is "grammar" and not "grammer" then.
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thellama73
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Posted: July 30 2007 at 10:31 |
Ignorant is not an insult, it is a statement of fact. If you don't know something, you are by definition ignorant of it. I think you all are being to hard on Walker. He is not saying that he never makes mistakes, he is simply stating that reading misinformation in reviews is a turn off, and I agree.
If you were reading a book or a magazine filled with factual errors, wouldn't that make you question the value of the book?
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BaldFriede
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Posted: July 30 2007 at 11:05 |
thellama73 wrote:
Ignorant is not an insult, it is a statement of fact. If you don't know something, you are by definition ignorant of it. I think you all are being to hard on Walker. He is not saying that he never makes mistakes, he is simply stating that reading misinformation in reviews is a turn off, and I agree.
If you were reading a book or a magazine filled with factual errors, wouldn't that make you question the value of the book?
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It would depend on the time the book or the magazine is from. Knowledge is ever expanding, so the older a book is the more likely it becomes to contain factual errors.
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