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el böthy 
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Posted: July 01 2007 at 20:50 |
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Simple... chose the one you like the most.
This are my two favorite composers, at least now... I must say I tend to like Tchaikovsky a bit more, I also know more of his stuff, but Stravinsky is quickly catching up
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Posted: July 01 2007 at 20:56 |
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ah thats a hard one. i studied classical history last year at an art school. interesting stuff. On this id have to go with Stravinsky. I like his works more. and he was the first i heard of the two. The Rite of Spring is what got me and I beleive its called Firebird? not sure its been a bit haha
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Posted: July 01 2007 at 21:56 |
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To draw a parallel, it would be comparing the Beatles and Yes
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Posted: July 01 2007 at 22:01 |
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Tchaikovsky here would be seen as the "cheesy, melody-crazy band" (mmmm, DT? )... Starvinsky would be the "avant-garde intellectual group (mmm, fill the blank....)..... Both are masters, the one revolutionized music, tonality but mostly rhythm (with Le Sacre du Printemps)... The other is the Mozart of the Russian era (in terms of melody-creating power) , the other one is the romantic, the passionate in times were russian music was mostly nationalist. I love Tchaikovsky more so I go with him. Stravinsky is a genius but too dry for me.
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Posted: July 01 2007 at 22:26 |
A tough call as both are great, but I have to go with Tchaikovsky because at heart I am a Romantic.  My favorite composer of all time, though, is the oft-maligned Franz Liszt.
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el böthy
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Posted: July 01 2007 at 22:59 |
 The T wrote:
Tchaikovsky here would be seen as the "cheesy, melody-crazy band" (mmmm, DT? )... Starvinsky would be the "avant-garde intellectual group (mmm, fill the blank....)..... Both are masters, the one revolutionized music, tonality but mostly rhythm (with Le Sacre du Printemps)... The other is the Mozart of the Russian era (in terms of melody-creating power) , the other one is the romantic, the passionate in times were russian music was mostly nationalist. I love Tchaikovsky more so I go with him. Stravinsky is a genius but too dry for me. |
Its easy to see where you are coming from. You can certainly "feel" more with Tchaikovsky.
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Posted: July 01 2007 at 23:04 |
thellama73 wrote:
A tough call as both are great, but I have to go with Tchaikovsky because at heart I am a Romantic.
My favorite composer of all time, though, is the oft-maligned Franz Liszt.
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A great master.... He should've composed more... His piano concertos are great, even though they are seldom put among the greatest representations of the genre.
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Posted: July 01 2007 at 23:36 |
The T wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
A tough call as both are great, but I have to go with Tchaikovsky because at heart I am a Romantic.
My favorite composer of all time, though, is the oft-maligned Franz Liszt.
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A great master.... He should've composed more... His piano concertos are great, even though they are seldom put among the greatest representations of the genre. |
He should have composed more? I have 16 CDs of his music and that's not even close to half of it. It's just that most of it is obscure and not in the standard repertoire.
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Posted: July 02 2007 at 04:24 |
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4 reasons why Stravinski is the man:
Petrushka
Firebird suite
Rite of Spring
Pulcinella suite
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Posted: July 02 2007 at 04:35 |
el böthy wrote:
The T wrote:
Tchaikovsky here would be seen as the "cheesy, melody-crazy band" (mmmm, DT? )... Starvinsky would be the "avant-garde intellectual group (mmm, fill the blank....)..... Both are masters, the one revolutionized music, tonality but mostly rhythm (with Le Sacre du Printemps)... The other is the Mozart of the Russian era (in terms of melody-creating power) , the other one is the romantic, the passionate in times were russian music was mostly nationalist. I love Tchaikovsky more so I go with him. Stravinsky is a genius but too dry for me. |
Its easy to see where you are coming from. You can certainly "feel" more with Tchaikovsky.
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I agree on this, but as to 'feel', I don't think Stravinsky's music has less 'feel', just another kind of 'feel', that actually catches me far more. Though Tchaikovsky is too cheesy for my taste, I absolutely agree that he was one of the greatest composers and respect his work a lot. Still, Stravinsky wins this by a long shot for me.
Edited by Eerichtho - July 02 2007 at 04:37
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Posted: July 02 2007 at 05:58 |
BroSpence wrote:
4 reasons why Stravinski is the man:
Petrushka
Firebird suite
Rite of Spring
Pulcinella suite
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I agree with this 4 reasons, although I respect and like Tchaikovsky as well.
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Posted: July 02 2007 at 06:36 |
I once heard a discourse that broke down the Rite of Spring into its seperate motifs and then pieced them back together to show how the music paints a picture and tells a story. Utterly facinating. I like Stravinsly's twelve-tone pieces too.
Tchaikovsky is the best to listen to at open-air proms, (with fireworks & cannons!), but for listening to at home I choose Stravinsky every time.
Edited by darqdean - July 02 2007 at 06:59
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Posted: July 02 2007 at 06:58 |
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Stravinsky for me. The four reasons given (Rites of Spring, Firebird, Pulcinella, Petrushka), as well as "The Soldier's Tale", do it for me. Of Tchaikovski I especially like the "Cappriccio Italien" and his Piano Concerto No. 1, also his violin concerto which was rejected as "unplayable" by Leopold Auer, the violonist it was written for (though later in his life he did play it). The premiere of the concerto had to be delayed for two years until Adolph Brodsky finally played it on stage fior the first time. But on the whole it is Stravinsky for me. Arthur Honegger once called his "Rites of Spring" the "atom bomb of music", and there is something to it. The "Rites of Spring" are incredibly wild music; one might say (tongue in cheek) this piece of music was the first prog rock ever.
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Posted: July 02 2007 at 12:59 |
My mistake in how I said it... By more I meant more big music, orchestral-piano music, not only piano music... that's why i mentioned his piano concertos.....of course, of piano solo music he has a lot, but his concertos, his symphonic poems... he's an "underrated" master, to use a typical PA term... 
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Posted: July 02 2007 at 13:03 |
BaldFriede wrote:
The "Rites of Spring" are incredibly wild music; one might say (tongue in cheek) this piece of music was the first prog rock ever.
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Imagine the premiere of The Rite, it actually must've felt like a prog-rock concert!  There were angry reactions, people almost rioting because of the savage, then-uncomprehensible, violent, ultra-rhythmical music.
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Posted: July 02 2007 at 13:59 |
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Tchaikovsky
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el böthy
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Posted: July 02 2007 at 15:17 |
The T wrote:
BaldFriede wrote:
The "Rites of Spring" are incredibly wild music; one might say (tongue in cheek) this piece of music was the first prog rock ever.
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Imagine the premiere of The Rite, it actually must've felt like a prog-rock concert! There were angry reactions, people almost rioting because of the savage, then-uncomprehensible, violent, ultra-rhythmical music. |
That seems more punk than prog to me  Honegger is great too Friede!!!
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Posted: July 02 2007 at 19:43 |
Stravinsky is genius, definitely him.
I enjoy Tchaikovsky but he just doesn't offer as much Stravinsky.
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Posted: July 02 2007 at 20:07 |
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Posted: July 03 2007 at 12:01 |
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I don't know enough about either composer to vote, but I'll say this - Tchaikovsky's music may sound cheesy only because of the abuse it has suffered at the hands of mass culture. It's certainly not inherently cheesy.
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