Stravinsky vs Tchaikovsky
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Topic: Stravinsky vs Tchaikovsky
Posted By: el böthy
Subject: Stravinsky vs Tchaikovsky
Date Posted: July 01 2007 at 20:50
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Simple... chose the one you like the most. This are my two favorite composers, at least now... I must say I tend to like Tchaikovsky a bit more, I also know more of his stuff, but Stravinsky is quickly catching up ------------- "You want me to play what, Robert?" 
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Posted By: fungusucantkill
Date Posted: July 01 2007 at 20:56
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ah thats a hard one. i studied classical history last year at an art school. interesting stuff. On this id have to go with Stravinsky. I like his works more. and he was the first i heard of the two. The Rite of Spring is what got me and I beleive its called Firebird? not sure its been a bit haha -------------  
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Posted By: IVNORD
Date Posted: July 01 2007 at 21:56
| To draw a parallel, it would be comparing the Beatles and Yes |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: July 01 2007 at 22:01
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Tchaikovsky here would be seen as the "cheesy, melody-crazy band" (mmmm, DT? )... Starvinsky would be the "avant-garde intellectual group (mmm, fill the blank....)..... Both are masters, the one revolutionized music, tonality but mostly rhythm (with Le Sacre du Printemps)... The other is the Mozart of the Russian era (in terms of melody-creating power) , the other one is the romantic, the passionate in times were russian music was mostly nationalist. I love Tchaikovsky more so I go with him. Stravinsky is a genius but too dry for me. ------------- 
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Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: July 01 2007 at 22:26
A tough call as both are great, but I have to go with Tchaikovsky because at heart I am a Romantic.  My favorite composer of all time, though, is the oft-maligned Franz Liszt. ------------- 
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Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: July 01 2007 at 22:59
Its easy to see where you are coming from. You can certainly "feel" more with Tchaikovsky. ------------- "You want me to play what, Robert?"
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The T wrote:Posted By: The T
Date Posted: July 01 2007 at 23:04
A great master.... He should've composed more... His piano concertos are great, even though they are seldom put among the greatest representations of the genre. -------------
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Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: July 01 2007 at 23:36
He should have composed more? I have 16 CDs of his music and that's not even close to half of it. It's just that most of it is obscure and not in the standard repertoire. -------------
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Posted By: BroSpence
Date Posted: July 02 2007 at 04:24
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4 reasons why Stravinski is the man: Petrushka Firebird suite Rite of Spring Pulcinella suite |
Posted By: Eerichtho
Date Posted: July 02 2007 at 04:35
I agree on this, but as to 'feel', I don't think Stravinsky's music has less 'feel', just another kind of 'feel', that actually catches me far more. Though Tchaikovsky is too cheesy for my taste, I absolutely agree that he was one of the greatest composers and respect his work a lot. Still, Stravinsky wins this by a long shot for me. |
Posted By: Norbert
Date Posted: July 02 2007 at 05:58
I agree with this 4 reasons, although I respect and like Tchaikovsky as well.
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: July 02 2007 at 06:36
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I once heard a discourse that broke down the Rite of Spring into its seperate motifs and then pieced them back together to show how the music paints a picture and tells a story. Utterly facinating. I like Stravinsly's twelve-tone pieces too.
Tchaikovsky is the best to listen to at open-air proms, (with fireworks & cannons!), but for listening to at home I choose Stravinsky every time. ------------- What? |
Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: July 02 2007 at 06:58
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Stravinsky for me. The four reasons given (Rites of Spring, Firebird, Pulcinella, Petrushka), as well as "The Soldier's Tale", do it for me. Of Tchaikovski I especially like the "Cappriccio Italien" and his Piano Concerto No. 1, also his violin concerto which was rejected as "unplayable" by Leopold Auer, the violonist it was written for (though later in his life he did play it). The premiere of the concerto had to be delayed for two years until Adolph Brodsky finally played it on stage fior the first time. But on the whole it is Stravinsky for me. Arthur Honegger once called his "Rites of Spring" the "atom bomb of music", and there is something to it. The "Rites of Spring" are incredibly wild music; one might say (tongue in cheek) this piece of music was the first prog rock ever. -------------  BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: July 02 2007 at 12:59
My mistake in how I said it... By more I meant more big music, orchestral-piano music, not only piano music... that's why i mentioned his piano concertos.....of course, of piano solo music he has a lot, but his concertos, his symphonic poems... he's an "underrated" master, to use a typical PA term...  -------------
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: July 02 2007 at 13:03
Imagine the premiere of The Rite, it actually must've felt like a prog-rock concert!  There were angry reactions, people almost rioting because of the savage, then-uncomprehensible, violent, ultra-rhythmical music. -------------
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Posted By: R o V e R
Date Posted: July 02 2007 at 13:59
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Tchaikovsky
for Nutcracker |
Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: July 02 2007 at 15:17
That seems more punk than prog to me  Honegger is great too Friede!!! ------------- "You want me to play what, Robert?"
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: July 02 2007 at 19:43
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Stravinsky is genius, definitely him.
I enjoy Tchaikovsky but he just doesn't offer as much Stravinsky. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: dwill123
Date Posted: July 02 2007 at 20:07
Didn't Stravinsky write:
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Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: July 03 2007 at 12:01
| I don't know enough about either composer to vote, but I'll say this - Tchaikovsky's music may sound cheesy only because of the abuse it has suffered at the hands of mass culture. It's certainly not inherently cheesy. |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: July 03 2007 at 12:56
 Right on target....-------------
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Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: July 03 2007 at 13:16
I agree 100%... no, make it 127%!!! ------------- "You want me to play what, Robert?"
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Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: July 03 2007 at 13:33
It's creepy to see people agreeing with me, for a change... And thanks for the sig 
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Posted By: Eerichtho
Date Posted: July 04 2007 at 16:57
Though I may seem to have said the exact opposite earlier, I think you are quite right. I have heard many wonderful Tschaikovsky pieces but the more well-known works of his irritate me a bit, though I can still enjoy them. You're absolutely correct about the abuse of mass culture making this great work ...umm...seem...cheesy. I didn't mean to criticise the great master Tchaikovsky. He was a genius and composed much great music. It's simply a question of taste prefering Stravinsky over Tchaikovsky. |
Posted By: Cesar Inca
Date Posted: July 04 2007 at 22:19
In his last Symphony (No. 6), he could also go for subtle, sombre moods, as in the sustained ending section for its 4th Movement. If in the 3rd Movementy he celebrated a life of joy, the 4th and last movement was a lament for what seems the approaching of death. And yes, he died a few months after the premiere.
Kudos for Stravinsky, too!... but i vote for Tchaikovsky.
Kind regards.
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Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: July 04 2007 at 23:29
According to a letter Tachikovsky wrote to his brother, Patetica (Symphony No. 6) was the thing he loved the most, his whole soul has in it... and it´s quite true, in some parts you can certainly feel his pain and depression... Now, how poetic is that? To kill yourself after having composed your best work. I know thats not why he killed himself (well... maybe yes, who knows for sure?) but it seems he asked himself "where to go now? what can I do now that I have made the best music I can?". To kill yourself because you have achieved "perfection"... wow... now thats poetic! ------------- "You want me to play what, Robert?"
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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: July 08 2007 at 14:34
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But I prefer Johann Sebastian Bach!!!
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: July 08 2007 at 19:39
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: July 08 2007 at 19:52
Is that JS Bach, the famous Russian composer? Or are Stravinsky and Tchaikovsky now German , along with Mussorgsky, Rimsky-Korsakov and Prokofiev   ------------- What? |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: July 08 2007 at 20:02
yeah, I know that bringing Bach into the conversation came a little bit out of nowhere ... but anyways, he's the Master. -------------
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