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Poll Question: Should album reviews only be accepted from Forum Members?
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    Posted: February 04 2005 at 14:08

Max has said he could make it so only members of this forum could post reviews.

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3317&a mp;PN=1&TPN=2

Sounds like a good idea to me.Why should people who cant take the trouble to become members be allowed to have reviews displayed on the Archive?



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I agree!
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Definitely, the four-line dross submitted for most albums makes the site look amateurish -

Prospective reviewers should at least have to join and dip into the forums to see how amateurish we really are ...
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That seems a little fundamentalist to me. I someone is a good critic, and has taste and love for the music, but doesn't want to participate in a forum, why don't let him posts his reviews? On the other hand, I approve the deleting of pointless or amateuristic reviews, in order to mantain the level of this great site.
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Points: 3484 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 04 2005 at 15:10
What difference would it really make? All someone would have to do is sign up and never post....so what's the dif?
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I'm not sure about it.

1. It may lead to a huge number of inactive (postless) forummembers, that's not a big problem but it gives a wrong impression of the size of this forum. already their are more than 1000 members, of which less than 50? are truly active

2. It may scare of reviewers, who do not want to join a forum, or share more than their reviews

3. Thev diversity in reviews is what make the review section great. Amateurs and non-musicians have a different way of reviewing than muscisians and trained reviewers. (I'm an amateur) Their reviews are often more emotional and focus more on general appeal than on musical purity or perfection (not happy with this sentence but it'll do)

 

I don't see any real advantage aside from the more controlability of the issued reviews, and the avoidance of trolling.

Maybe their should be a better control on the apropriatness of reviews, and maybe their should be some moderators who check the reviews for apropriatness.

The quality of a review is not something to debate about. some people are capable of producing great technical reviews, other people are not that articulate, or have more difficulty to transpose their thoughts and ideas to writing. that doesn't lessen the potential importance of such a review.

 

I'm sorry I'm not very good with words, but this is my general idea about it 
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Points: 5187 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 04 2005 at 15:30
Originally posted by tuxon tuxon wrote:

I'm not sure about it.

1. It may lead to a huge number of inactive (postless) forummembers, that's not a big problem but it gives a wrong impression of the size of this forum. already their are more than 1000 members, of which less than 50? are truly active

2. It may scare of reviewers, who do not want to join a forum, or share more than their reviews

3. Thev diversity in reviews is what make the review section great. Amateurs and non-musicians have a different way of reviewing than muscisians and trained reviewers. (I'm an amateur) Their reviews are often more emotional and focus more on general appeal than on musical purity or perfection (not happy with this sentence but it'll do)

 

I don't see any real advantage aside from the more controlability of the issued reviews, and the avoidance of trolling.

Maybe their should be a better control on the apropriatness of reviews, and maybe their should be some moderators who check the reviews for apropriatness.

The quality of a review is not something to debate about. some people are capable of producing great technical reviews, other people are not that articulate, or have more difficulty to transpose their thoughts and ideas to writing. that doesn't lessen the potential importance of such a review.

 

I'm sorry I'm not very good with words, but this is my general idea about it 

You could PM them if you didnt like their review and ask them to discuss it.
If you have to join people might feel themselves more accountable.



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"You could PM them if you didnt like their review and ask them to discuss it.
If you have to join people might feel themselves more accountable."

 

1. How do you PM someone who only comes in for one review and then never appears again.

2. People might get upset when someone tells them that their review is bad, and consequentially stay away from this site. (asuming that they wrote the review with good intend).

3. who should do the PM-ing, the moderators? or can it be anybody? And who's to decide which review is bad?

4. The forum is for discussion and the review section is for reviewing. When I issue a review it's my final word about that album (in time it can change of course) and I have no wish to defend myself on how or why I wrote that review.we shouldn't drag every review we partialy or entirely oppose to into a discussion thread.

 

I agree on the accountability remark. on that account It may help in keeping the reviews free from spamming or trolling. but it will work more as a barrier for good reviewers than that it will keep people away with bad intend.

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Points: 7559 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 04 2005 at 16:19
I think it's a great idea - there are pros and cons either way - but if you make the mp3s downloadable to members only too, that would be a real incentive to people who really are interested in prog.
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That would be depriving the people who might get interested in prog through the mp3's from an accessable source of good prog songs.

Aren't the mp3 ment as an introduction to progressive music in general. when only for members, people will sooner run away to other site's and explore music somewhere else.

I think sites like this should be as open to public as possible. the occasional Britney fans shouldn't be kept away or be facing a barrier. They should be welcomed, brainwashed and set free to spread the gospel. 
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Points: 5187 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 04 2005 at 16:27

Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

I think it's a great idea - there are pros and cons either way - but if you make the mp3s downloadable to members only too, that would be a real incentive to people who really are interested in prog.

100% in favour of that too! Clap



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Points: 7559 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 04 2005 at 16:30

Tux:

Ye-es, but I think it's a bit dodgy offering mp3's of bands anyway - I made all the points I want to make in the mp3 legal or not thread that was running a while back, but basically, while it's legal for Canadians to upload mp3s, it's not legal to distribute copyright IP without the owner's express permission.



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Points: 5502 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 04 2005 at 16:35

I was only stating some ideas.

BTW can't the requerement to register first before downloading be considered a way of purchasing the mp3? in that way the site would be selling copyrighted material instead of offering it entirely for free? just a question.  
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I vote No. I don't see why being a member of the forum has anything to do with the album reviews.
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Points: 6667 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 04 2005 at 17:04
NO! We would miss a lot of reviews! There are many albums on the archives that have not been reviewd by a forum member, but by an outsider. Then you would delete the review an then nobody would know an opinion about that album. A GREAT LOSS. And I think everybody should be allowed to write a review. What if you like to write reviews but don't like do argue about stupid things like we do?
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Originally posted by tuxon tuxon wrote:

I was only stating some ideas.

BTW can't the requerement to register first before downloading be considered a way of purchasing the mp3? in that way the site would be selling copyrighted material instead of offering it entirely for free? just a question.  



Surely that's... more illegal?
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Points: 5187 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 04 2005 at 17:30

Why would you want to read reviews from non-forum members?Confused

You could go to another forum to do that!
We want to encourage more long-term contributors dont we?



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Points: 5502 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 04 2005 at 17:33

 

In general I take more notice of reviews by forummembers and I take them more serious, but....



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Originally posted by Reed Lover Reed Lover wrote:

Why would you want to read reviews from non-forum members?Confused

Why wouldn't I want to read reviews from non-forummembers?

You could go to another forum to do that!

why should I go to another forum, let them come to us if they have something interesting to share.

We want to encourage more long-term contributors dont we?

yes, but that doesn't nescesarily mean that short-term engagements can't be of interest to this site.

Some forummembers are actively making reviews, so there are long-term contributors already.

some long-term contributors, are hardly envolved in the forum, they just post a review and don't bother about the forum.

The issue is if I'm correct to avoid bad inapropriate reviews. Instead of going about it at the portal of this site, maybe we should keep an eye out for reviews that are inapropriate, and stop it from there. in the same manner as we do now.
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Points: 5187 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 04 2005 at 17:48
Originally posted by tuxon tuxon wrote:

Originally posted by Reed Lover Reed Lover wrote:

Why would you want to read reviews from non-forum members?Confused

Why wouldn't I want to read reviews from non-forummembers?

You could go to another forum to do that!

why should I go to another forum, let them come to us if they have something interesting to share.

We want to encourage more long-term contributors dont we?

yes, but that doesn't nescesarily mean that short-term engagements can't be of interest to this site.

Some forummembers are actively making reviews, so there are long-term contributors already.

some long-term contributors, are hardly envolved in the forum, they just post a review and don't bother about the forum.

The issue is if I'm correct to avoid bad inapropriate reviews. Instead of going about it at the portal of this site, maybe we should keep an eye out for reviews that are inapropriate, and stop it from there. in the same manner as we do now.

Nah, I want to create my own issue were we go all isolationist, ban free trade and invade non-prog sites and kick the sh*t out of them!LOL



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