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Topic: 1 Registration Process for FORUM+Review
Posted By: Reed Lover
Subject: 1 Registration Process for FORUM+Review
Date Posted: February 04 2005 at 14:08
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Max has said he could make it so only members of this forum could post reviews. http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3317&PN=1&TPN=2 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3317&a mp;PN=1&TPN=2 Sounds like a good idea to me.Why should people who cant take the trouble to become members be allowed to have reviews displayed on the Archive? ------------- 
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Posted By: Azrael2112
Date Posted: February 04 2005 at 14:22
 I agree!------------- http://www.flywithjet.com"> 
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Posted By: arcer
Date Posted: February 04 2005 at 14:24
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Definitely, the four-line dross submitted for most albums makes the site look amateurish - Prospective reviewers should at least have to join and dip into the forums to see how amateurish we really are ... |
Posted By: mirco
Date Posted: February 04 2005 at 15:05
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That seems a little fundamentalist to me. I someone is a good critic, and has taste and love for the music, but doesn't want to participate in a forum, why don't let him posts his reviews? On the other hand, I approve the deleting of pointless or amateuristic reviews, in order to mantain the level of this great site. ------------- Please forgive me for my crappy english! |
Posted By: gdub411
Date Posted: February 04 2005 at 15:10
| What difference would it really make? All someone would have to do is sign up and never post....so what's the dif? |
Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: February 04 2005 at 15:26
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I'm not sure about it. 1. It may lead to a huge number of inactive (postless) forummembers, that's not a big problem but it gives a wrong impression of the size of this forum. already their are more than 1000 members, of which less than 50? are truly active 2. It may scare of reviewers, who do not want to join a forum, or share more than their reviews 3. Thev diversity in reviews is what make the review section great. Amateurs and non-musicians have a different way of reviewing than muscisians and trained reviewers. (I'm an amateur) Their reviews are often more emotional and focus more on general appeal than on musical purity or perfection
I don't see any real advantage aside from the more controlability of the issued reviews, and the avoidance of trolling. Maybe their should be a better control on the apropriatness of reviews, and maybe their should be some moderators who check the reviews for apropriatness. The quality of a review is not something to debate about. some people are capable of producing great technical reviews, other people are not that articulate, or have more difficulty to transpose their thoughts and ideas to writing. that doesn't lessen the potential importance of such a review.
I'm sorry I'm not very good with words, but this is my general idea about it ------------- I'm always almost unlucky _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Id5ZcnjXSZaSMFMC Id5LM2q2jfqz3YxT |
(not happy with this sentence but it'll do)
Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: February 04 2005 at 15:30
You could PM them if you didnt like their review and ask them to discuss it. -------------
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tuxon wrote:Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: February 04 2005 at 15:47
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"You could PM them if you didnt like their review and ask them to discuss it.
1. How do you PM someone who only comes in for one review and then never appears again. 2. People might get upset when someone tells them that their review is bad, and consequentially stay away from this site. (asuming that they wrote the review with good intend). 3. who should do the PM-ing, the moderators? or can it be anybody? And who's to decide which review is bad? 4. The forum is for discussion and the review section is for reviewing. When I issue a review it's my final word about that album (in time it can change of course) and I have no wish to defend myself on how or why I wrote that review.we shouldn't drag every review we partialy or entirely oppose to into a discussion thread.
I agree on the accountability remark. on that account It may help in keeping the reviews free from spamming or trolling. but it will work more as a barrier for good reviewers than that it will keep people away with bad intend. hope this makes sense ------------- I'm always almost unlucky _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Id5ZcnjXSZaSMFMC Id5LM2q2jfqz3YxT |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: February 04 2005 at 16:19
| I think it's a great idea - there are pros and cons either way - but if you make the mp3s downloadable to members only too, that would be a real incentive to people who really are interested in prog. |
Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: February 04 2005 at 16:26
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That would be depriving the people who might get interested in prog through the mp3's from an accessable source of good prog songs. Aren't the mp3 ment as an introduction to progressive music in general. when only for members, people will sooner run away to other site's and explore music somewhere else. I think sites like this should be as open to public as possible. the occasional Britney fans shouldn't be kept away or be facing a barrier. They should be welcomed, brainwashed and set free to spread the gospel. ------------- I'm always almost unlucky _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Id5ZcnjXSZaSMFMC Id5LM2q2jfqz3YxT |
Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: February 04 2005 at 16:27
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100% in favour of that too! -------------
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: February 04 2005 at 16:30
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Tux: Ye-es, but I think it's a bit dodgy offering mp3's of bands anyway - I made all the points I want to make in the mp3 legal or not thread that was running a while back, but basically, while it's legal for Canadians to upload mp3s, it's not legal to distribute copyright IP without the owner's express permission. |
Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: February 04 2005 at 16:35
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I was only stating some ideas. BTW can't the requerement to register first before downloading be considered a way of purchasing the mp3? in that way the site would be selling copyrighted material instead of offering it entirely for free? just a question. ------------- I'm always almost unlucky _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Id5ZcnjXSZaSMFMC Id5LM2q2jfqz3YxT |
Posted By: Richardw
Date Posted: February 04 2005 at 16:36
| I vote No. I don't see why being a member of the forum has anything to do with the album reviews. |
Posted By: Joren
Date Posted: February 04 2005 at 17:04
| NO! We would miss a lot of reviews! There are many albums on the archives that have not been reviewd by a forum member, but by an outsider. Then you would delete the review an then nobody would know an opinion about that album. A GREAT LOSS. And I think everybody should be allowed to write a review. What if you like to write reviews but don't like do argue about stupid things like we do? |
Posted By: goose
Date Posted: February 04 2005 at 17:27
Surely that's... more illegal? |
Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: February 04 2005 at 17:30
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Why would you want to read reviews from non-forum members? You could go to another forum to do that! -------------
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Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: February 04 2005 at 17:33
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In general I take more notice of reviews by forummembers and I take them more serious, but.... ------------- I'm always almost unlucky _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Id5ZcnjXSZaSMFMC Id5LM2q2jfqz3YxT |
Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: February 04 2005 at 17:45
Some forummembers are actively making reviews, so there are long-term contributors already. some long-term contributors, are hardly envolved in the forum, they just post a review and don't bother about the forum. The issue is if I'm correct to avoid bad inapropriate reviews. Instead of going about it at the portal of this site, maybe we should keep an eye out for reviews that are inapropriate, and stop it from there. in the same manner as we do now. ------------- I'm always almost unlucky _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Id5ZcnjXSZaSMFMC Id5LM2q2jfqz3YxT |
Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: February 04 2005 at 17:48
Nah, I want to create my own issue were we go all isolationist, ban free trade and invade non-prog sites and kick the sh*t out of them! -------------
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Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: February 04 2005 at 17:50
I'm up for that ------------- I'm always almost unlucky _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Id5ZcnjXSZaSMFMC Id5LM2q2jfqz3YxT |
Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: February 04 2005 at 17:52
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Come on let's do it Tux!
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Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: February 04 2005 at 17:57
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Charge.... ------------- I'm always almost unlucky _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Id5ZcnjXSZaSMFMC Id5LM2q2jfqz3YxT |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 04 2005 at 18:02
| I don't really think they should be able to post reviews. What if we start getting trolled by some kids surfing the net at a middle-school in Anywhere U.S.A. Get my point? I know a lot of jokers who would write inappropriate and off-topic things just for the thrill. You should be registered before you can write a review. |
Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: February 04 2005 at 18:05
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sh*t,one of theirs has broken through..
You can take him, Tux -------------
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Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: February 04 2005 at 18:06
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Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: February 04 2005 at 18:08
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Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: February 04 2005 at 18:09
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Too late
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Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: February 04 2005 at 18:15
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I've done my bit, I'm off.....
I could a taken him......... -------------
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Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: February 04 2005 at 18:33
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just to get back on track. what is the advantage of a member only policy for reviewing albums. I don't see any. but please enlighten me. ------------- I'm always almost unlucky _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Id5ZcnjXSZaSMFMC Id5LM2q2jfqz3YxT |
Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: February 04 2005 at 19:03
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Accountability hopefully. Maybe you should have to have been a member for say,1 week before you can post a review.That would discourage "thrill-seekers" and guarantee that only committed, intelligent and witty people posted reviews. -------------
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Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: February 04 2005 at 19:21
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good idea build a big wall around the archives, and prevent perpetraders to enter our holy bastion of elitism ------------- I'm always almost unlucky _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Id5ZcnjXSZaSMFMC Id5LM2q2jfqz3YxT |
Posted By: gdub411
Date Posted: February 04 2005 at 21:56
| How about limiting reviewers to forum members with 100 posts...i.e....Senior members....this will show that they had showed some real dedication to the forums. |
Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: February 05 2005 at 06:55
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Yeah but I know at least two forum members with over 2000 posts ( -------------
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)who talk utter bollocks!Posted By: arcer
Date Posted: February 05 2005 at 11:10
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Ultimately the reviews section needs an overhaul
and some monitoring - there needs to be someone who scans each day's reviews (no matter who they are submitted by) and decides whether they are worth including or not, whether they add something to the sum of the archives knowledge of prog and the site's usefulness as a resource. It's called editing. (and Reed don't suggest me for the job!! I'm busy enough here watching Man U draw blanks at Birmingham hahahahahah!) |
Posted By: arcer
Date Posted: February 05 2005 at 11:13
Doh! Roy Keane 
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Posted By: gdub411
Date Posted: February 05 2005 at 11:48
I have 1 review. |
Posted By: Joren
Date Posted: February 06 2005 at 07:02
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That's a stupid idea? Why does everybody think the forums are so important? Respect the people who want to participate here. Forums suck! |
Posted By: Joren
Date Posted: February 06 2005 at 07:04
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This is JUST ONE EXAMPLE why excluding non members from writing reviews is a bad idea: http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_CD.asp?cd_id=3656 - http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_CD. asp?cd_id=3656 a good review, the only review, and not a member. WE WOULD LOSE THESE REVIEWS |
Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: February 06 2005 at 08:28
| How can you be sure the writer of that review, or any other, is not a member of the forum Joren? They may participate in the forum under a different name. |
Posted By: Joren
Date Posted: February 06 2005 at 09:03
| ok, I don't know, but do you agree with me that reviews like this from non-members exist? |
Posted By: gdub411
Date Posted: February 06 2005 at 09:05
Then why are you here!?! |
Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: February 06 2005 at 10:51
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Yes, I'm sure you are right with that Joren. If someone goes to the trouble of writing a review though, I don't think it's putting much on them to ask them to register once with the site to enable them to post it. The only reason for using the forum registration is that it saves having to set up another registration process, just for the reviews. It would not compel anyone to participate in the forum. I did mention elsewhere that you should still be able to post reviews using a different name to the one you use in the forum (if you want to). |
Posted By: Joren
Date Posted: February 06 2005 at 14:34
Ah, I see. Well, then I agree with you. |
Posted By: Joren
Date Posted: February 06 2005 at 14:35
Because I have nothing better to do |
Posted By: James Lee
Date Posted: February 06 2005 at 16:56
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I kinda agree that it should be the other way 'round...forum members should be required to post at least one decent review first. Think of all the crap and spam that it would have prevented! For instance, I think I take Mr. Chantraine more seriously because he waited so long before dipping his feet in these forum waters. It indicates a more definite level of dedication to the music than simply becoming a rampant post machine. On the other hand, nothing anyone can do will guarantee that someone has something truly interesting to say. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/sollipsist/?chartstyle=kaonashi"> 
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Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: February 06 2005 at 17:00
ahem...........I resemble that remark.
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Posted By: James Lee
Date Posted: February 08 2005 at 19:35
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Reed: no offense meant...but I feel confident that you could turn in a few great reviews if you felt like it. I was getting self-conscious that I hadn't done enough reviewing myself, and then I saw the actual numbers of reviews listed next to each of the collaborators. Without tooting my own horn, I think I've earned a little bit of a voice here...of course, quantity and quality are always very different things, so maybe not. It is quite surprising how some of the more obviously knowledgeable members have so few reviews to their name. Perhaps it's simply time constraints on their part? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/sollipsist/?chartstyle=kaonashi">
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Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: February 11 2005 at 18:31
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I've tried, but I manage to bore myself to death never mind you lot! RUSH A Farewell to Kings 
— One of the defining moments in my (then) young life was going into town to buy A Farewell To Kings, the first Rush album to be put out on official release in the UK. The wondeful gatefold sleeve, yet another Hugh Syme masterpiece,only served to heighten my excitement and expectation as I impatiently waited for the bus that would return me home. From the moment I placed it on the turntable and the first acoustic chords thrummed out from the speakers I knew this was going to be a classic album. A Farewell To Kings (the title track) immediately struck a chord with me-"cities full of hatred fear and lies" reminded me instantly of the atmosphere of fear that hung over the Punk- era UK. Gentle acoustic guitars and ringing synth give way to a tumult of powerchords and muscular drums and bass. Almost anthemic, sometimes brutal,this is really the song that defined Rush for me at this time, even loved the "yadda-yadda" vocals on this track that oddly sound treated in some way.The instrumental/solo break is one of their best a combination of "Bastille Day" and the later "Freewill" with the final few acoustic chords and cymbals setting the scene nicely for Xanadu. For me Xanadu will always be Rush's greatest epic and the track I always play to anyone I want to convert to the "Rush cause." It has the finest opening of any Prog Rock song, one that will always bring the goosebumps up on me:tubular bells and atmospheric guitar building up to a crescendo of foreboding before the more complex chops of drum, bass and rock guitar kick in.The mystical story provided by Coleridge's "Kublai Khan" is nicely judged as a framework for an epic musical workout, and boy do Rush do it justice.The guitar solo at the end of the piece is one of Lifeson's best and spawned a host of imitators ( Pallas & Def Leppard to name but two.) Closer To The Heart next and what can you say? Two minutes and fifty-five seconds of pure genius.This was always going to be a crowd favourite-hopeful lyrics, jangly guitars, a synth solo and gasp, more tubular bells! A minor hit in the punk rock-bloated Uk charts was the outcome. Cinderella Man is a pretty straight-forward (for Rush) song,echoing the title track in tone and execution. Madrigal is a pretty little soft-rock ballad that allows Geddt Lee to sing "normally" for a change. Sci fi sound effects lead us into another classic "Cygnus X-1." The bass throbs in with a pulsating riff, joined by strident guitars and drums.The band move into a pulsating, rythmic jam that wonderfully evokes space travel, pulsars,black holes and all things Steven Hawking.I always remember my parents baulking at the strangulated vocals especially as our hero plunges into the Black Hole, but to me it readily evoked the cataclysm of that mysterious space phenemenom.Bludgeoning guitars, bass and drums in unison-play at volume 10 for maximum impact! This is such a good album that any review would fail to do it justice.Go out and buy this if you dont already own a copy. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzz -------------
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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: February 12 2005 at 06:53
C'mon Reedy, keep them coming, you're good!
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Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: February 12 2005 at 07:48
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Thanks all for your opinions
Ok , it is time to explain our vision about this ! 1st, we were planning to SETUP a Free Registration Process for the website ( reviews, downloading and maybe others cool thing ) So, as we already have a Free Registration Process in the FORUM , I would have use it AS THE MAIN Free Registration Process for the website and the Forum (with some changes and customization to better explain the Integration with the 2 parts archives and forum) If someone is planning to write a reviews or download a song, he would use the same login and password FOR both service, this would UNIFY the 2 parts of the site , that I think are becoming more and more UNITED . And the login page could be the same as the one in the forum and the COOKIES thing also. The goal is : "To become a part of our great community and share, you need to register at one place" I think this make a lot of sense , and it would be easier to identify reviewers and their respective posts and (vice et versa This would be also much easier for us to MODERATE reviews and posts. And greatly improve the QUALITY of our content. I don't think this would affraid new reviewers, and I am able to live with less (-15%) reviews but more quality of the community in general.
Now , let's hear about the boys... ?!
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)Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: February 12 2005 at 08:47
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It's fine with me. I think it's a logical course of action. 1 question, will it still be possible to write under a different name than the name you use on the forum? or a possibility to have displayed on the review a different name than the one you use on the forum (submission on forum name, but another name displayed on the archives review part?) If this sentence doesn't make sense, regard it as not written ------------- I'm always almost unlucky _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Id5ZcnjXSZaSMFMC Id5LM2q2jfqz3YxT |
Posted By: mirco
Date Posted: February 12 2005 at 08:50
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There will be a new registration proccess, or our present membership will be valid in the new arrangement? ------------- Please forgive me for my crappy english! |
Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: February 12 2005 at 09:35
present membership will be valid ------------- Prog On ! |
Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: February 12 2005 at 09:36
.... it can be possible but why ? ------------- Prog On ! |
Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: February 12 2005 at 09:43
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I read some people who wanted that, so I thought I ask it for them I don't really mind myself ------------- I'm always almost unlucky _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Id5ZcnjXSZaSMFMC Id5LM2q2jfqz3YxT |
Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: February 12 2005 at 10:20
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Max, Tuxon's point is valid. I think the majority of us submit reviews under our own names, but participate in the forum under a "character" name. For example, I'm Bob McBeath for reviews, but Easy Livin' in the forum, Vibrationbaby uses that name in the forums, but Ian Gledhill for his reviews, Bryan Adair = Useful idiot, etc. From my own point of view, I prefer that my reviews have my "real" name on them, but I'd rather participate in the forum under my character name. One other question, will it still be possible to view the reviews pages without registering with the site? I think it should be. |
Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: February 12 2005 at 10:49
Real name + character name will be used for reviews ex:
What do you think ? + YES , it will still be possible to view the reviews pages without registering ------------- Prog On ! |
BEGGAR'S OPERA - Act One Beggars Opera 
— Beggar’s Opera’s first album has with the passage of time, gradually gained belated (but justified) recognition as a truly superb piece of work. The band, which hails from my native homeland (and in fact played at my school around the time this album was released!), hit the ground running in terms of originality and imagination. Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: February 12 2005 at 11:19
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I like that Max, it links the forum and the reviews sections together nicely.
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: February 12 2005 at 11:37
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I like the way this is going too, and the single registration matches my vision entirely - but I'm a little confused as to why you might want both your name and your forum nick to appear by a review. Could the choice be offered as to which is displayed for reviews - one, other or both? It's simply a matter of having the option, as I would think many people would like this - a nice thing, not a necessary thing! |
Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: February 12 2005 at 11:50
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I agree with Cert (there really should be a sucking-up emoticon I think the possibility to choose would be the best option (some people might only want to show their nick, or only their real name for privacy reasons, or other reasons). I'm getting enthiousiastic about the re-vamp and the current additions/changes that have been made. very good work. ------------- I'm always almost unlucky _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Id5ZcnjXSZaSMFMC Id5LM2q2jfqz3YxT |
Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: February 12 2005 at 11:58
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Great job Max Agree with Cert, too.The name display should be compulsory but whether it be forum name or real name should be optional. -------------
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Posted By: Garion81
Date Posted: February 12 2005 at 13:06
I really think it should be the forum name. Or else the real name would link to your PM's in the forum. This would give the review (and the reviewer) some accountability. Certainly You or Cert would be accountable it is not so much for you but for others like the Bill Bruford lurker using Tony Banks reviews to tell us how great Bill Bruford is. At least the reader can contact the person doing so. Or if there is a question. ------------- 
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Posted By: Joren
Date Posted: February 12 2005 at 13:56
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It sounds very good, boys! About the nicknames: I have nothing to hide... Muy forum name is my real name! |
Posted By: Fitzcarraldo
Date Posted: February 12 2005 at 14:12
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I would only want my forum name displayed in my reviews in ProgArchives, as it is at present. I am still accountable to the site owners by my e-mail address, a prerequisite of registration. I prefer to keep my real name off the site so that there is no correlation between my professional presence on Web sites and my personal presence on Web sites for hobby reasons (e.g. this site). I understand that this may not be an issue for some, but I would prefer to have just my forum name displayed. I don't want someone Googling my real name to find my professional Web site and instead finding ProgArchives (Not that I've got anything against ProgArchives, of course!).
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Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: February 12 2005 at 14:34
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Then, Forum Name (and Real Name optional) ! ------------- Prog On ! |
Posted By: Fitzcarraldo
Date Posted: February 12 2005 at 16:05
Thank you, mailto:M@X - M@X .
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: February 12 2005 at 18:58
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Well, I use my real name in the Reviews and my nick in the forum (Which is in fact part of my real name), mostly because I use the same nick in every forum I write, hope there's not a problem. Iván |
Posted By: gdub411
Date Posted: February 12 2005 at 21:41
And here I thought all this time your last name was 2068. |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: February 13 2005 at 00:22
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Nope Gdub,that's the year I will die according to a psychic fiancee a friend had. Iván |
Posted By: mirco
Date Posted: February 13 2005 at 08:52
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: February 13 2005 at 12:23
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Well in her favour she didn't knew I smoke a package of Marlboro's every day. Iván |
Posted By: maani
Date Posted: February 13 2005 at 22:49
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Speaking solely as a member (i.e., not officially), I voted "no," for two reasons. First, as some have pointed out, there are plenty of good reviews by non-members - some as good or better than those written by members. True, there will always be "gooks" who write bad reviews. But I believe the decent, good and excellent ones way outweight the bad ones. Second - and I'm sorry to have to point this out - there are plenty of members who do not write reviews, or write far too few. Indeed, there are senior members and collaborators who are, sadly, surprisingly "lazy" in this regard. (Sorry, guys...) If we are going to allow only members to review albums, then I think it should be tied to a quota - and, no, I'm not kidding. Those who think that only members should be writing reviews - especially those of you who are lazy in this regard (and there are far too many) - should have to "get off your duffs" and start writing a heck of a lot more reviews than you do. Is this what you want? Wouldn't that be fair? Actually, I don't really care whether senior members and/or collaborators are lazy about reviewing. Max has chosen not to institute a quota, despite my repeated suggestions in that regard. And I respect his decision. I would prefer to leave things status quo. However, if so many of you are going to insist that only members write reviews, I would not support that unless a quota - on all of us - was instituted. Peace. |
Posted By: Hangedman
Date Posted: February 13 2005 at 23:44
interesting idea, the main reason i havent reviewed anything is that i find it hard to see an album i own which doesnt have a review which already almost perfectly fits my opinion of it. I always decide to start writing, but then i look at the reviews and find that any input I have to make isnt at all valueable. |
Posted By: James Lee
Date Posted: February 14 2005 at 04:09
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^ Think about it more like voting...the more people who say the same thing, the more the album will achieve its rightful position...whatever that may be. Also, there may be something specific about the way you say something that sticks in a reader's mind...even if it's essentially something other people have said before, your choice of words or particular interpretation may be the one that helps them decide if the album is for them (or not). ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/sollipsist/?chartstyle=kaonashi">
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Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: February 14 2005 at 07:42
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I am not sure I have been 100% clear with my vision of this .... The facts
The question is ... What can we do, to :
Nothing will change radically, this will be pratically has is it right now, but instead of reviewing an album with your email only, you will have to enter a password in extra (if have not previously logged in the FORUM). People will only need to REGISTER to PROGARCHIVES.COM before reviewing. And with this registration they will be able to post also in the FORUM and download mp3s... All current review will still be available , we are only "brainstormin" on the futurs reviews... Please I need more comments guys...
------------- Prog On ! |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: February 14 2005 at 07:43
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I also agree that the reviews should be kept open to everyone. I think that a good part of us would've not become Collaborators if the Archives had not been open to everyone. Max approached me on the second or third day of my reviewing (early febr 04) and I gave a resounding YES the following week. I stayed away from the forum much longer registering in september 04 and actually started participating some five weeks ago. We seem to be fairly careful and conscious enough reporting abusive reviews and Max@ does a fine job deleting them. As Usual Maani says some very good things about reviews being written by others than members. I agree with the members using their real names on reviews and nicknames on the Forum. It seems the logical way. But I do find it useful to link the nicknames to the real names. It turns out that some of those writings reviews were also the more useful and informative forum members.
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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: February 14 2005 at 14:58
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Maani, "Sean", My understanding is that no restriction on who can submit reviews is being proposed . I think there may be an element of confusion about "membership". This as I understand it does not mean you need to be a prog reviewer or similar before you are allowed to post a review. All that is being proposed is that before you can post a review for the first time, you register with the site, in the same way as you already have to do with the forum. I would imagine that once you have done so, the use of cookies will ensure that you don't need to sign in every time, once again as per the forum. This would clearly not remove the facility for anyone who wishes to to submit a review. It just offers a little bit more control over abuse. Maani, when you talk about "members" I think you are referring to the prog reviewers etc. who's names are listed as collaborators. That is a differnt thing to the "membership" being suggested here. Are your views any different in view of Max' subsequent clarrification, and the reassurance that no one will be left out? I think the idea of quotas is treading on dangerous ground. The carrot approach is usually better than the stick! Hugues, I agree about the usefulness of being able to link reviewer names to forum ID's. There are some though who for their own valid reasons wish to remain annonymous in the forum. Hangedman, A simple solution. Write your reviews before you read the others! So what if your opinion is similar to someone elses, that happens a lot around here.
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Posted By: Garion81
Date Posted: February 14 2005 at 15:13
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Ok mailto:M@x - M@x here goes,
How about a loose minimum standard of what a review should be? That does not mean anything about the content but the Review should:
B. Give a clear and concise definition of the album. (Historical information about the band is fine but don't make that your review) And add a note that all reviews are subject to review by the forum administrators and will be removed if they are flaming in nature or deemed irrelevant as a review with an reminder that such things can be posted in the forums.
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Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: February 24 2005 at 11:22
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bump -------------
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Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: February 24 2005 at 12:21
Hey !! BUMPing is the greatest features on the FORUM  ------------- Prog On ! |
Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: February 24 2005 at 12:30
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Hey,bumping not just for kids you know! -------------
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Posted By: Neu!mann
Date Posted: February 24 2005 at 20:34
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Hi one and all.. This is my first posting in any of the Prog Archives forums, after having been a member for something just over a month...so, apologies in advance if I don't appear to grasp all the nuances of the issue, or if I repeat any already well-worn opinions on the subject. I initially cast a 'no' vote in the poll, for the same reasons as a lot of others here. As much as I like to consider myself (and with pride) an elitist music snob, the notion of limiting reviews to members seemed to me a benign form of censorship, despite the real danger of too much riff-raff cluttering the site. Speaking personally, it's always easy to recognize a duff opinion when I read one, and use it as a sort of negative guide if necessary. Also, I wasn't entirely clear on the distinction between Forum Members and Prog Reviewers (like me). I was first attracted to the Archives by the wealth and scope of its listings, and welcomed the opportunity to maybe plug a few opinion holes for some overlooked or undervalued albums. So I've been concentrating my energies there instead of here, in the discussions forum, where I could see myself easily becoming lost in a hothouse of arguments, agreements, advice, articulate announcements, and so forth (quoting Mr. Belew, of course). But, and this is only how I first understood the poll question, would that make a wallflower like me ineligable to post reviews? Cutting to the chase in my usual long-winded fashion: after considering the thrust and parry of the last few pages here, I probably should have voted 'yes' instead...serves me right for not heeding the famous words of Buster Keaton: think slow, act fast. mailto:M@X's - Admin's clarified guidelines make a lot of sense in retrospect, and though it won't entirely weed out the waste it would certainly make it easier to identify the abusers, and presumably slap their wrists. And I would throw my support behind the addition of some sort of comments option on the review pages, as long as they followed a link here to the forums and left the actual review section of the site itself sacrosanct. That way, as hoped, space won't be wasted in the wrong place for bruised egos and misinformed retaliatory rants. But please stop any of this talk about quotas, unless it's about a cap to the number of reviews any one album can support. I know it's always hard to resist adding another expert opinion to the mix, but does something like Close To The Edge (a totally random example, but apparently a good one: I just checked and it has 141 ratings to date!) really need even one more review, no matter how insightful and/or enlightening? I think I'll return to hibernation now...literally, since it's about 10 degrees fahrenheit outside tonight in my neck of the suburban wilderness.. Thanks, MJN
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