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    Posted: January 26 2007 at 22:12
 This question is patterned after the 'what 20 albums,movies,books would you want if you were marooned on a desert island' questions. So if you were stuck on an island and could only have ONE piece of high end equipment and the rest had to come from normal consumer stores like walmart what would that ONE piece be. I'm assuming it would be the amplifier but Im no audiophile so maybe I'm missing something.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 26 2007 at 22:55
I don't need ANY high end equipment. the best equipment is inside your brain. give me a lousy mono tape recorder, and I will be happy


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 26 2007 at 23:10
Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

I don't need ANY high end equipment. the best equipment is inside your brain. give me a lousy mono tape recorder, and I will be happy
 
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I won't go so far as a mono tape (Even when in an emergency it's ok), but the real difference of sounds between decent equipments (Unless you're a proffesional in recording) is so subtle that 99% of the people who boast about their fabulous equipments are unable to listen an improvement so great that justifies the expense.
 
If I'm in a desert island, the last thing I would care is about what specific piece of equipment I need.
 
I have a modest LG DVD and Home Theater in the living room and it's more than enough for me, in my room I own a good Sony all in one with a Room Theater (Nothing special) and it's perfect.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 27 2007 at 05:33


I see only one solution...

The best walkman ever...









...with good headphones




Plus a good tape stock !





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Decent speakers.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 28 2007 at 16:39
Originally posted by Flyingsod Flyingsod wrote:

 So if you were stuck on an island and could only have ONE piece of high end equipment and the rest had to come from normal consumer stores like walmart what would that ONE piece be.
 
  high end equipment
 
Oh you meant audio equipment.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 28 2007 at 16:45
Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

I don't need ANY high end equipment. the best equipment is inside your brain. give me a lousy mono tape recorder, and I will be happy


I agree.  It's the quality of the MUSIC that matters, not the quality of the sound. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 28 2007 at 17:19
Originally posted by rileydog22 rileydog22 wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

I don't need ANY high end equipment. the best equipment is inside your brain. give me a lousy mono tape recorder, and I will be happy


I agree.  It's the quality of the MUSIC that matters, not the quality of the sound. 


Agreed, but the title of the thread does (at least) suggest otherwise... Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 28 2007 at 18:00
Originally posted by dwill123 dwill123 wrote:

Originally posted by Flyingsod Flyingsod wrote:

 So if you were stuck on an island and could only have ONE piece of high end equipment and the rest had to come from normal consumer stores like walmart what would that ONE piece be.
Useful like a bass speakers
 
  high end equipment
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 28 2007 at 18:43
a good hifi system is as only as good as its weakest component, so my Linn Sondek would be useless without  decent amps, cables and speakers. Lost on a desert island though, only a clockwork radio would be really useful!Wink
 
BTW - without decent quality listening equipment you are missing half the picture - our favourite musicians and their producers and technicians spend many hours and many thousands of pounds creating  cd's for our enjoyment, and work very hard perfecting the sound  - show them some respect please and throw the walmart junk and the mp3 players away!Tongue
 
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 28 2007 at 21:26
Originally posted by dwill123 dwill123 wrote:

Originally posted by Flyingsod Flyingsod wrote:

 So if you were stuck on an island and could only have ONE piece of high end equipment and the rest had to come from normal consumer stores like walmart what would that ONE piece be.
 
  high end equipment
 
Oh you meant audio equipment.



 That is TWO pieces of equipment.





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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 28 2007 at 21:37
Originally posted by mystic fred mystic fred wrote:

a good hifi system is as only as good as its weakest component, so my Linn Sondek would be useless without  decent amps, cables and speakers. Lost on a desert island though, only a clockwork radio would be really useful!Wink
 
BTW - without decent quality listening equipment you are missing half the picture - our favourite musicians and their producers and technicians spend many hours and many thousands of pounds creating  cd's for our enjoyment, and work very hard perfecting the sound  - show them some respect please and throw the walmart junk and the mp3 players away!Tongue
 
 

you are obviously one of those hi-fi freaks. even the kind of cable matters? wow! I will never understand what drives you. you must have real problems listening to an album that was recorded with sub-par equipment and will probably automatically downgrade an album with bad sound quality by one or two stars, while for me bad sound quality is not of any interest for rating an album. some of the albums I would give 5 stars to have awful sound quality. for me it is rather the opposite: these wonderfully clean produced albums with top sound quality, played on a top equipment too, leave me strangely cold. somehow I don't hear music there, I just hear sound


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 28 2007 at 21:46
Well, I have to say I agree with most of the posts in general. I call myself a compositional listener. By that I mean I don't really listen to the sound as much as I listen to  the music if ya follow my meaning. I've lost myself in AM radio broadcasts of good music and gotten into a physical altercation once over a static filled song. We were just driving out of range of the station but a great song was still playing and my passenger wanted to change the station! Well, I didnt let him even though we ended up driving off the road a bit.

 I noticed recently though that some of the keyboard parts on Tresspass were barely audible when I played the record. And to boot the bass  and mid lows were sounding really muddled and making the notes blend into each other. It seriously changed what the composition was supposed to be. I am entertaining the possibility thats there is other artistic things I am missing because of poor equipment.  So I thought I'd look into the world of super hifi but didnt know where to start.

 Oliverstoned I have to agree that probably is a great solution for a desert isle but I have to give Thanks to Phileas for providing the only concrete answer I could use. I do have 3 sets of speakers here (all mid to low quality) SO I guess ill see exactly what kind of difernce they can make by switching them  out. If it's serious I'll consider some high end speakers and other equipment. 

thanks all and if you have any other thoughts they would be apreciated.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 28 2007 at 21:50
Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:


you are obviously one of those hi-fi freaks. even the kind of cable matters? wow! I will never understand what drives you. you must have real problems listening to an album that was recorded with sub-par equipment and will probably automatically downgrade an album with bad sound quality by one or two stars, while for me bad sound quality is not of any interest for rating an album. some of the albums I would give 5 stars to have awful sound quality. for me it is rather the opposite: these wonderfully clean produced albums with top sound quality, played on a top equipment too, leave me strangely cold. somehow I don't hear music there, I just hear sound



Funny that you'd write that while I was writing my responses and make the same comparison to sound vs music. We must be on the same wavelength :)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 28 2007 at 22:19

I'm not an audiophile, but I would probably go with a nice pair of headphones. I think the amount of money some people spend on audio equipment is ridiculous, but I bought $60 headphones (it was for the nosie cancellation which ended up not working well, but oh well) and the difference between that and the headphones that came with my CD player was significant.

MP3 players are no different from CDs if you encode high enough. I would not want to listen to 128kb/s MP3s, but I can hear no difference whatsoever when it's encoded at around 200 kb/s or higher.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 29 2007 at 04:50
Originally posted by Flyingsod Flyingsod wrote:

Well, I have to say I agree with most of the posts in general. I call myself a compositional listener. By that I mean I don't really listen to the sound as much as I listen to  the music if ya follow my meaning. I've lost myself in AM radio broadcasts of good music and gotten into a physical altercation once over a static filled song. We were just driving out of range of the station but a great song was still playing and my passenger wanted to change the station! Well, I didnt let him even though we ended up driving off the road a bit.

 I noticed recently though that some of the keyboard parts on Tresspass were barely audible when I played the record. And to boot the bass  and mid lows were sounding really muddled and making the notes blend into each other. It seriously changed what the composition was supposed to be. I am entertaining the possibility thats there is other artistic things I am missing because of poor equipment.  So I thought I'd look into the world of super hifi but didnt know where to start.

 
 
 
Trespass is a fantastic album sonically, very smooth and detailed - indeed you seriously need to upgrade your system and you will discover a new world, the albums will sound how their creators intended. Incidentally Mark Knopfler and the Conductor Von Karajan were both keen advocates of cd music systems when they appeared in the 80's, though Phillips had been working on the format for years before. CD gave vinyl playback systems a good boot up the backside and technology has come a long way since then for both formats, though Mark Knopfler said at the time about cd that at last people could hear a recording near to how it sounds in the studio, a bit of an ambitious statement, and cd technology has really advanced since then, but he was referring to the quality of the playback technology more than the actual cd - the studios contained state of the art technology, but today it it really possible to hear how it sounded in the studio, as the artists intended, hearing good sound is hearing the music properly. Instruments sound like real instruments, the true emotional meaning and purposeful playing come across very clearly. As for cables, it is true - poor quality cables can spoil the sound!
 
BTW you don't have to spend thousands to get a good system, there are some brilliant budget equipment to be had out there, especially the British  makes, we still lead the world in inexpensive hifi equipment!
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 29 2007 at 05:44
Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:


Originally posted by mystic fred mystic fred wrote:

a good hifi system is as only as good as its weakest component, so my Linn Sondek would be useless without  decent amps, cables and speakers. Lost on a desert island though, only a clockwork radio would be really useful!Wink
 

BTW - without decent quality listening equipment you are missing half the picture - our favourite musicians and their producers and technicians spend many hours and many thousands of pounds creating  cd's for our enjoyment, and work very hard perfecting the sound  - show them some respect please and throw the walmart junk and the mp3 players away!Tongue

 

 
you are obviously one of those hi-fi freaks. even the kind of cable matters? wow! I will never understand what drives you. you must have real problems listening to an album that was recorded with sub-par equipment and will probably automatically downgrade an album with bad sound quality by one or two stars, while for me bad sound quality is not of any interest for rating an album. some of the albums I would give 5 stars to have awful sound quality. for me it is rather the opposite: these wonderfully clean produced albums with top sound quality, played on a top equipment too, leave me strangely cold. somehow I don't hear music there, I just hear sound


If it's cold, it's because it's numeric, and worst, bad numeric. Tube amps compensate by giving back that analog warmth, that real sound with matter, but about source, there's no comparison as well between vinyl and CD.
A great system with analog source and tubes in the highs can't be cold. That would leave you hot




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 29 2007 at 05:45
Originally posted by dwill123 dwill123 wrote:

Originally posted by Flyingsod Flyingsod wrote:

 So if you were stuck on an island and could only have ONE piece of high end equipment and the rest had to come from normal consumer stores like walmart what would that ONE piece be.

 

  high end equipment

 

Oh you meant audio equipment.


Equipment from the Silicon Valley maybe?





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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 29 2007 at 08:14
Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:


Originally posted by mystic fred mystic fred wrote:

a good hifi system is as only as good as its weakest component, so my Linn Sondek would be useless without  decent amps, cables and speakers. Lost on a desert island though, only a clockwork radio would be really useful!Wink
 

BTW - without decent quality listening equipment you are missing half the picture - our favourite musicians and their producers and technicians spend many hours and many thousands of pounds creating  cd's for our enjoyment, and work very hard perfecting the sound  - show them some respect please and throw the walmart junk and the mp3 players away!Tongue

 

 
you are obviously one of those hi-fi freaks. even the kind of cable matters? wow! I will never understand what drives you. you must have real problems listening to an album that was recorded with sub-par equipment and will probably automatically downgrade an album with bad sound quality by one or two stars, while for me bad sound quality is not of any interest for rating an album. some of the albums I would give 5 stars to have awful sound quality. for me it is rather the opposite: these wonderfully clean produced albums with top sound quality, played on a top equipment too, leave me strangely cold. somehow I don't hear music there, I just hear sound


If it's cold, it's because it's numeric, and worst, bad numeric. Tube amps compensate by giving back that analog warmth, that real sound with matter, but about source, there's no comparison as well between vinyl and CD.
A great system with analog source and tubes in the highs can't be cold. That would leave you hot


 
 
hopefully my next big upgrade (apart from a rapidly disintegrating car) will be a tube amp!Big%20smile
 
 PS - i generally  lose little sleep about what people think, but if anyone believes i care more about sound than music, just have a look at my album/concert reviews!Tongue
 
 
 


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