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    Posted: January 25 2005 at 14:02

Frenchie just stated that Yes's TFTO is a very advanced state of prog... Arcer seems to think the same about BSS.... They are those "over the top" prog albums that people seem to either love or hate... So what prog albums do you consider to be advanced prog... those albums that you really have to be a fan... to actually get (understand).. or love???

 
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ThreeFates; I truely believe in "Over the Top Albums" Like -

  1. Towards The Sun -  Druid
  2. Close To The Edge - Yes
  3. Trilogy - ELP
  4. Foxtrot - Genesis
  5. Green Desert - Tangerine Dream
  6. Pergamon - Tangerine Dream
  7. Mirage - Camel
  8. Focus 3  - Focus
  9. Trace - Trace
  10. Caravanserai - Carlos Santana
  11. Welcome - Carlos Santana
  12. Selling England...- Genesis
  13. Relayer - Yes
  14. Warriors At The Edge Of Time - Hawkwind
  15. Tarkus - ELP
  16. Hamburger Concerto - Focus
  17. Per Un Amico - PFM
  18. Istória Di Un Minuto - PFM
  19. Live Miles - Tangerine Dream
  20. Space Ritual - Hawkwind

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Points: 3484 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 25 2005 at 14:41

Well I would definitely say VdGG falls into that catagory....All of their material, as well as most of Gentle Giant's material...all could be defined as "advanced prog"

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Most of classic Krautrock, Zeuhl, and RIO sub genres is a love-hate sort of thing as well.
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maybe godspeed you black emperor - lift your skinny fists like antennas to heaven because it is the exact same structure as TFTO. one track for every 4 sides. fantomas sound advanced too tho i aint heard em, 74 min long track! wot about stuff like trout mask replica by captain beefheart. neu sound very advanced. i dunno its all opinion really. disc 2 of six degrees by dream theater. just cos its all more demanding than normal.
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Genesis- Selling England by the Pound

Elp- Tarkus

The Song Remains the same movie (not saying its advancede prog, just that you really have to be a die hard fan to like it , so pretentious!!)

Yes- Relayer

 
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Originally posted by the musical box the musical box wrote:

The Song Remains the same movie (not saying its advancede prog, just that you really have to be a die hard fan to like it , so pretentious!!)



do you mean the actual film or the album soundtrack of the film? because i have seen the film and thought it was one of the best things ive seen zeppelin do. and it was amazing musically too, loved the extended passages. is the soundtrack exactly the same as the live music on the film? cos if so i would have no problem with it
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I agree with gdub about VDGG. Most people I know think prog is a joke full stop, but even they can becaught occasionally appreciating Pink Floyd or even Rush, but when I've played them VDGG, they just roll their eyes and think there must be something wrong with me for liking it..

I think the same applies with Yes, for evey album up and including 'Relayer'
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'Advanced prog' is a weird term. Isn't prog advanced music already? Kinda like 'progger than prog'.

Why don't I like ELP while I like most other 'big' names in prog? Are they more advanced than the rest? Don't think so...
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Well ELP were more advanced... that goes without saying!!! 

However, I agree that I think Gentle Giant were also advanced prog... as well as King Crimson in all its forms...
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Originally posted by frenchie frenchie wrote:

maybe godspeed you black emperor - lift your skinny fists like antennas to heaven because it is the exact same structure as TFTO. one track for every 4 sides. fantomas sound advanced too tho i aint heard em, 74 min long track! wot about stuff like trout mask replica by captain beefheart. neu sound very advanced. i dunno its all opinion really. disc 2 of six degrees by dream theater. just cos its all more demanding than normal.
I definitely agree on both Fantomas and Captain Beefheart.  If you don't like TMR, it's pretty hard to like anything else he's ever done. 
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frenchie, if you want to sit on the computer for well over an hour I can send you Delirium Corda, the 74 min song.  Or I can send you each individual song from Director's Cut, if you'd prefer that

 
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Yep, VDGG, Crimson's Lizard, and Islands, as well as Gentle Giant. These acts/albums tend to polarize prog fans....Ermm

Can and Deus Ex MachinaCool, too. The latter is particularly "difficult" stuff -- not for the "faint of heart," wot wot!

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Selling England by the Pound? How is that "advanced prog"?

And I agree with what was said above... advanced prog? What exactly does that mean?
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Originally posted by Sweetnighter Sweetnighter wrote:


And I agree with what was said above... advanced prog? What exactly does that mean?

It means it ain't the prog yo mamma listens to!!

it means that prog album or band that's a little too bombastic and pretentious to be appreciated by non prog or middle of the road prog fans....

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hmm, i'd say those:

Pink Floyd - Atom Heart mother suite

GYBE

Gong maybe?

Yes (TFTO and Relayer) and VDGG (as said before)

 

 

and i dont agree on the Genesis and Camel albums mentioned, also Close to the Edge is not really advanced prog, since so many people like it. (it still is a very complex album of course, but not more challenging than the average prog IMO)

I'm not sure if BSS is really advanced prog .... it's more a kind of music taste, not that its that hard to get into.



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Foxtrot???

I believe it's the most popular album here, and almost no proghead dislikes Supper's Ready, Watcher of the Slies or Can Utility and the Coastliners.

Selling England by the Pound???

I believe is the most radio friendly Gabriel Genesis album.

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Some of the most advanced prog I've ever heard is from:

- Anglagard
- A Triggering Myth

And I love them both. A Triggering Myth is especially good, but remain one of progs most undiscovered treasures. I don't think they've ever release a bad piece of music. But to be sure, it some pretty intense stuff ... it definitely makes a lot of other prog stuff sound almost bubble gum.
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  •  21. Tales From Topographic Ocean   -   Yes
  •  22. Snowgoose   -  Camel
  •  23. Darwin   -  Banco Del Mutuo Socorso
  •  24. Refugee -  Refugee
  •  25. Autobahn  -  Kraftwerk
  •  26. Epsylon In The Malasyan Pale - Edgar Froese
  •  27. Tubular Bells - Mike Oldfield
  •  28. Solar Fire  -  Manfred Mann's Earth Band
  •  29. Timewind - Klaus Shulze
  •  30. The Story of I - Patrick Moraz
  •  31. Olias Of Sunhillow - Jon Anderson
  •  32. Force Majeure - Tangerine Dream
  •  33. Amarok - Mike Oldfield
  •  34. Appocalypse - Mahavishnu Orchestra
  •  35. Rockpommel  -  Grobschnitt
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