Advanced Prog
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Topic: Advanced Prog
Posted By: threefates
Subject: Advanced Prog
Date Posted: January 25 2005 at 14:02
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Frenchie just stated that Yes's TFTO is a very advanced state of prog... Arcer seems to think the same about BSS.... They are those "over the top" prog albums that people seem to either love or hate... So what prog albums do you consider to be advanced prog... those albums that you really have to be a fan... to actually get (understand).. or love???
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Posted By: Lunarscape
Date Posted: January 25 2005 at 14:36
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ThreeFates; I truely believe in "Over the Top Albums" Like -
From Looney tunes and merry melodies ! ! ! ! ___________ Lunar ------------- Music Is The Soul Bird That Flies In The Immense Heart Of The Listener . . . |
Posted By: gdub411
Date Posted: January 25 2005 at 14:41
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Well I would definitely say VdGG falls into that catagory....All of their material, as well as most of Gentle Giant's material...all could be defined as "advanced prog" King Crimson-Lark's Tongue in Aspic Most of classic Krautrock, Zeuhl, and RIO sub genres is a love-hate sort of thing as well. |
Posted By: frenchie
Date Posted: January 25 2005 at 14:49
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maybe godspeed you black emperor - lift your skinny fists like antennas to heaven because it is the exact same structure as TFTO. one track for every 4 sides. fantomas sound advanced too tho i aint heard em, 74 min long track! wot about stuff like trout mask replica by captain beefheart. neu sound very advanced. i dunno its all opinion really. disc 2 of six degrees by dream theater. just cos its all more demanding than normal. ------------- The Worthless Recluse 
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Posted By: the musical box
Date Posted: January 25 2005 at 14:53
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Genesis- Selling England by the Pound Elp- Tarkus The Song Remains the same movie (not saying its advancede prog, just that you really have to be a die hard fan to like it , so pretentious!! Yes- Relayer
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Posted By: frenchie
Date Posted: January 25 2005 at 15:00
do you mean the actual film or the album soundtrack of the film? because i have seen the film and thought it was one of the best things ive seen zeppelin do. and it was amazing musically too, loved the extended passages. is the soundtrack exactly the same as the live music on the film? cos if so i would have no problem with it ------------- The Worthless Recluse
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the musical box wrote:
)Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: January 25 2005 at 15:43
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I agree with gdub about VDGG. Most people I know think prog is a joke full stop, but even they can becaught occasionally appreciating Pink Floyd or even Rush, but when I've played them VDGG, they just roll their eyes and think there must be something wrong with me for liking it.. I think the same applies with Yes, for evey album up and including 'Relayer' ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: AngelRat
Date Posted: January 25 2005 at 16:36
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'Advanced prog' is a weird term. Isn't prog advanced music already? Kinda like 'progger than prog'. Why don't I like ELP while I like most other 'big' names in prog? Are they more advanced than the rest? Don't think so... -------------  |
Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: January 25 2005 at 18:05
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Well ELP were more advanced... that goes without saying!!! However, I agree that I think Gentle Giant were also advanced prog... as well as King Crimson in all its forms... ------------- THIS IS ELP
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Posted By: aqualung28
Date Posted: January 25 2005 at 18:39
------------- "O' lady look up in time o' lady look out of love 'n you should have us all O' you should have us fall" "Bill's Corpse" By Captain Beefheart |
Posted By: aqualung28
Date Posted: January 25 2005 at 19:24
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frenchie, if you want to sit on the computer for well over an hour I can send you Delirium Corda, the 74 min song. Or I can send you each individual song from Director's Cut, if you'd prefer that
------------- "O' lady look up in time o' lady look out of love 'n you should have us all O' you should have us fall" "Bill's Corpse" By Captain Beefheart |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: January 25 2005 at 22:20
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Yep, VDGG, Crimson's Lizard, and Islands, as well as Gentle Giant. These acts/albums tend to polarize prog fans.... Can and Deus Ex Machina Magma -- nuff said! ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
, too. The latter is particularly "difficult" stuff -- not for the "faint of heart," wot wot!
Posted By: Sweetnighter
Date Posted: January 25 2005 at 22:26
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Selling England by the Pound? How is that "advanced prog"? And I agree with what was said above... advanced prog? What exactly does that mean? ------------- I bleed coffee. When I don't drink coffee, my veins run dry, and I shrivel up and die. "Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso? Is that like the bank of Italian soccer death or something?" -my girlfriend |
Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: January 25 2005 at 22:44
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It means it ain't the prog yo mamma listens to!! it means that prog album or band that's a little too bombastic and pretentious to be appreciated by non prog or middle of the road prog fans.... (The intense sh*t) ------------- THIS IS ELP
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Posted By: BebieM
Date Posted: January 26 2005 at 00:13
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hmm, i'd say those: Pink Floyd - Atom Heart mother suite GYBE Gong maybe? Yes (TFTO and Relayer) and VDGG (as said before)
and i dont agree on the Genesis and Camel albums mentioned, also Close to the Edge is not really advanced prog, since so many people like it. (it still is a very complex album of course, but not more challenging than the average prog IMO) I'm not sure if BSS is really advanced prog .... it's more a kind of music taste, not that its that hard to get into. |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: January 26 2005 at 00:43
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Foxtrot??? I believe it's the most popular album here, and almost no proghead dislikes Supper's Ready, Watcher of the Slies or Can Utility and the Coastliners. Selling England by the Pound??? I believe is the most radio friendly Gabriel Genesis album. Iván
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Posted By: Cinema
Date Posted: January 26 2005 at 00:47
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Some of the most advanced prog I've ever heard is from: - Anglagard - A Triggering Myth And I love them both. A Triggering Myth is especially good, but remain one of progs most undiscovered treasures. I don't think they've ever release a bad piece of music. But to be sure, it some pretty intense stuff ... it definitely makes a lot of other prog stuff sound almost bubble gum. |
Posted By: dropForge
Date Posted: January 26 2005 at 01:49
Linda, what are you inhaling tonight? 
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Posted By: Lunarscape
Date Posted: January 26 2005 at 07:09
------------- Music Is The Soul Bird That Flies In The Immense Heart Of The Listener . . . |
Posted By: Velvetclown
Date Posted: January 26 2005 at 07:16
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Who´s a naughty doctor then ???? !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
------------- Billy Connolly Dream Theater Terry Gilliam Hagen Quartet Jethro Tull Mike Keneally |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: January 26 2005 at 07:22
| Likewise I have trouble with the ambiguity of the term. For me, I would suggest 'advanced prog' is music by a band or heard on an album, which you struggled to get into but by persistence achieved that state, AND still heard something new on on every listening. I would suggest Henry Cow, Robert Wyatt (especially End Of An Ear), Soft Machine, and much of RIO (e.g. Univers Zero) and perhaps Pierre Henry/Spooky Tooth's ceremony (which Ultima Thule shop in Leicester have on their shelves labelled with the guidance: "Amongst the most difficult prog albums around"). |
Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: January 26 2005 at 07:30
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Grobschnitt - Solar Music Live
One of those albums I keep going back to, as I can appreciate the musical abilities of the band members, but can't get my head around what they are trying to do 
Either I'm thick, or this is too advanced for me  ------------- 
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Posted By: sigod
Date Posted: January 26 2005 at 10:14
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Good thread this. ------------- I must remind the right honourable gentleman that a monologue is not a decision. - Clement Atlee, on Winston Churchill |
Posted By: Velvetclown
Date Posted: January 26 2005 at 10:15
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Shud up Sigod !!!!
------------- Billy Connolly Dream Theater Terry Gilliam Hagen Quartet Jethro Tull Mike Keneally |
Posted By: threefates
Date Posted: January 26 2005 at 10:25
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See you guys all come up with your own terms.. and thats good. But I don't think its a question that needs to be limited to any one term. Everyone has their opinion on whats a little harder than others to be digested easily. I look at ELP as being advanced in some respects. For instance, when BSS came out, I turned some friends on to Toccata for the first time.. Friends who were into ELP and Yes before.. but the minute they heard Toccata.. and to a lesser extent, KE9-2, they just looked at me and said... "What the hell was that"???
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Posted By: Velvetclown
Date Posted: January 26 2005 at 10:27
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"What the hell was that"??? Just great music !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They pulled velvetclown from a hat, get into that, get into that !!!!!!!!! ------------- Billy Connolly Dream Theater Terry Gilliam Hagen Quartet Jethro Tull Mike Keneally |
Posted By: sigod
Date Posted: January 26 2005 at 10:46
  ------------- I must remind the right honourable gentleman that a monologue is not a decision. - Clement Atlee, on Winston Churchill |
Posted By: Swinton MCR
Date Posted: January 26 2005 at 11:12
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Advanced Prog - a better word would be "Ultra-Prog" - And The examples would be
These albums are the essence of prog (there are more but I got bored) - GYBE for example are avant-guarde noise makers and cacophony specialists, I think that "Ultra-Prog" needs to be symphonic and tuneful - with exquisite themes that are re-visited and ultra-competant muscianship - feel free to expand this list...... ------------- Play me my song, here it comes again |
Posted By: sigod
Date Posted: January 26 2005 at 11:36
That would look great on a business card. ------------- I must remind the right honourable gentleman that a monologue is not a decision. - Clement Atlee, on Winston Churchill |
Posted By: frenchie
Date Posted: January 26 2005 at 14:35
that sounds good, i was jus searching for it on win mx... and nothing. the 74 minute one sounds most interesting. ------------- The Worthless Recluse
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: January 28 2005 at 20:22
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Top 10 Advanced prog 1. ELP 'Brains Salad Surgery' 2. ELP 'Brains Salad Surgery' 3. ELP 'Brains Salad Surgery' 4. ELP 'Brains Salad Surgery' 5. ELP 'Brains Salad Surgery' 6. ELP 'Brains Salad Surgery' 7. ELP 'Brains Salad Surgery' 8. ELP 'Brains Salad Surgery' 9. ELP 'Brains Salad Surgery' 10.ELP 'Brains Salad Surgery' Garenteed to blow your head apart.. |
Posted By: gdub411
Date Posted: January 28 2005 at 20:43
No way should your 2nd one be higher than 8. The 8th is WAY better. |
Posted By: DallasBryan
Date Posted: January 28 2005 at 20:50
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Quite offsetting to the older crowd! 
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