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Blacksword 
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Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130 |
 Topic: What about Muse??Posted: January 17 2005 at 15:36 |
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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frenchie
Prog Reviewer
Joined: July 30 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 2234 |
Posted: January 17 2005 at 15:38 |
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i knew this wud happen. with radiohead in the borderline has been broken , now more non prog bands will be flooding in. yes muse have jus as many prog elements as radiohead, doves and elbow but that doesnt mean they shud be in cos they aint a proper prog band. radiohead shudnt be in, look at all the uproar it has caused! why do we want more trouble
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The Worthless Recluse
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arcer
Prog Reviewer
Joined: September 01 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1239 |
Posted: January 17 2005 at 15:45 |
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easy frenchie - i think he's joking
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Certif1ed
Special Collaborator 
Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 08 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 7559 |
Posted: January 17 2005 at 15:47 |
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I'd love them to be here - but have to admit that, in the final analysis, they're not really as prog as Radiohead. Plus I don't really enjoy seeing so many grown men cry... They have many prog sensibilities (unlike Doves or Elbow, who kind of nod towards prog occasionally, but don't go that extra mile) - including an ELP-like bombast; but ultimately I think they're a superb rock band with admirable pretensions. I won't use the word "just", because that might belittle the amazing power of their music. What is it about Muse that makes you think they're prog? <-Serious question |
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Blacksword
Prog Reviewer
Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130 |
Posted: January 17 2005 at 15:48 |
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Now I cant be accused of stifling debate, at least.. I think ivan was worried that I was about to invade Poland, after my Radiohead poll.
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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Blacksword
Prog Reviewer
Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130 |
Posted: January 17 2005 at 15:55 |
I agree with your appraisal of Muse. They are an excellent rock band. I think the industry had been crying out for a band like them for quite a while. There is an agression in their music which is complemented by their musicianship. I dont think they're prog - not as much as Radiohead Not sure about that, but a great band nonetheless, and frankly I couldn't care less if they were in the archives or not. If the consensus is yes, I wont make an issue of it. |
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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Posted: January 17 2005 at 16:21 |
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Muse on this site would be a disaster. They couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery. Jokes aside, let's not dilute this site by including clones. |
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slipperman
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Joined: January 05 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 217 |
Posted: January 17 2005 at 16:22 |
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I like Muse's 'Absolution', and have heard a few other things by them, pretty good stuff. I love Radiohead--one of those dastardly folks who feels they belong here! But no, Muse just doesn't take it as far as Radiohead. In any comparison by any standard, Radiohead is way more adventurous and experimental than Muse...so I take the same stance as Certif1ed, but less enthusiastic about their possible inclusion.
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...it is real...it is Rael...
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arcer
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Joined: September 01 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1239 |
Posted: January 17 2005 at 16:24 |
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cstacey wrote.... Muse on this site would be a disaster. They couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery. Jokes aside, let's not dilute this site by including clones. then why are there so many damn neo-prog bands on this site - they're all clones!!! and for that matter Starcastle - the biggest Yes clones ever and Marillion.... the biggest Genesis.... etcetcetcetcetcetc....... |
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Certif1ed
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 08 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 7559 |
Posted: January 17 2005 at 16:36 |
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Nooo Don't even go there about Marillion, arcer... There'll be tears
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goose
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Joined: June 20 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 4097 |
Posted: January 17 2005 at 16:38 |
Have you listened to the doves? I'd struggle to find one prog element in their music! Apart from, it's music. |
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aqualung28
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Joined: December 03 2004 Status: Offline Points: 916 |
Posted: January 17 2005 at 17:16 |
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Forget Muse! Vote FANTOMAS!
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"O' lady look up in time o' lady look out of love
'n you should have us all O' you should have us fall" "Bill's Corpse" By Captain Beefheart |
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Syzygy
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 16 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 7003 |
Posted: January 17 2005 at 17:44 |
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There's a whole pile of derivative, uninspired neo prog bands who are included on the grounds that their albums feature twiddly synth solos and sub Tolkien lyrics. That may have been progressive in 1973 but we've all moved on since then (in theory anyway). There's a lot of contemporary acts who are closer to the original spirit of prog than any neo prog act and I'd include Muse among them. If 'prog' means consantly rehashing Foxtrot and Close To The Edge then the genre really will have no future.
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'Like so many of you
I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom |
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richardh
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Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 28704 |
Posted: January 17 2005 at 17:48 |
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Muse are a great band with plenty of prog ideas.They should be here no doubt. Have a read of this and be enlightened http://www.dprp.net/reviews/200440.html#muse
Edited by richardh |
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chorus of one
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Joined: December 27 2004 Location: New Zealand Status: Offline Points: 299 |
Posted: January 17 2005 at 19:23 |
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Who cares? Not me!
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Prog_Bassist
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Joined: August 29 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 830 |
Posted: January 17 2005 at 19:27 |
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I think they should be in. definetly.
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frosty
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Joined: January 16 2005 Location: Scotland Status: Offline Points: 120 |
Posted: January 17 2005 at 19:33 |
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If Radiohead make it then Muse must be considered. They probably aren't as groundbreaking but definately have prog movements in their music. A band who aren't afraid to experiment and push themselves forward have more right to be here than many who are happy to rehash old ideas over and over. |
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Bryan
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 01 2004 Status: Offline Points: 3013 |
Posted: January 17 2005 at 22:21 |
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Muse is watered down Radiohead. They may sound alike, but Muse certainly lacks that extra experimental edge.
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Peter
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator Joined: January 31 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 9669 |
Posted: January 17 2005 at 23:07 |
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We are not aMUSEd.
Frankly, Backdoor, I don't give a flyin' f**k! List 'em ALL -- see if I care!
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
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Hangedman
Prog Reviewer
Joined: November 03 2004 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 1261 |
Posted: January 17 2005 at 23:14 |
NO! This is the kind of thing all of us anti-radiohead people are whining about, yes it is whining. But by trying to say that muse is justified merely because radiohead is supports almost every point all of the anti-radioheadites are making. |
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Certif1ed wrote:
- but I reckon they are closet proggers themselves, there are moments of , as you say bombast in their music. Didn't Rick Wakemen cite them as the possible future of British prog?? 
