What about Muse??
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Topic: What about Muse??
Posted By: Blacksword
Subject: What about Muse??
Date Posted: January 17 2005 at 15:36
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Posted By: frenchie
Date Posted: January 17 2005 at 15:38
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i knew this wud happen. with radiohead in the borderline has been broken , now more non prog bands will be flooding in. yes muse have jus as many prog elements as radiohead, doves and elbow but that doesnt mean they shud be in cos they aint a proper prog band. radiohead shudnt be in, look at all the uproar it has caused! why do we want more trouble ------------- The Worthless Recluse 
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Posted By: arcer
Date Posted: January 17 2005 at 15:45
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easy frenchie - i think he's joking
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: January 17 2005 at 15:47
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I'd love them to be here - but have to admit that, in the final analysis, they're not really as prog as Radiohead. Plus I don't really enjoy seeing so many grown men cry... They have many prog sensibilities (unlike Doves or Elbow, who kind of nod towards prog occasionally, but don't go that extra mile) - including an ELP-like bombast; but ultimately I think they're a superb rock band with admirable pretensions. I won't use the word "just", because that might belittle the amazing power of their music. What is it about Muse that makes you think they're prog? <-Serious question |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: January 17 2005 at 15:48
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Now I cant be accused of stifling debate, at least.. I think ivan was worried that I was about to invade Poland, after my Radiohead poll.
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: January 17 2005 at 15:55
I agree with your appraisal of Muse. They are an excellent rock band. I think the industry had been crying out for a band like them for quite a while. There is an agression in their music which is complemented by their musicianship. I dont think they're prog - not as much as Radiohead Not sure about that, but a great band nonetheless, and frankly I couldn't care less if they were in the archives or not. If the consensus is yes, I wont make an issue of it. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Certif1ed wrote:Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: January 17 2005 at 16:21
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Muse on this site would be a disaster. They couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery. Jokes aside, let's not dilute this site by including clones. |
Posted By: slipperman
Date Posted: January 17 2005 at 16:22
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I like Muse's 'Absolution', and have heard a few other things by them, pretty good stuff. I love Radiohead--one of those dastardly folks who feels they belong here! But no, Muse just doesn't take it as far as Radiohead. In any comparison by any standard, Radiohead is way more adventurous and experimental than Muse...so I take the same stance as Certif1ed, but less enthusiastic about their possible inclusion. ------------- ...it is real...it is Rael... |
Posted By: arcer
Date Posted: January 17 2005 at 16:24
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cstacey wrote.... Muse on this site would be a disaster. They couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery. Jokes aside, let's not dilute this site by including clones. then why are there so many damn neo-prog bands on this site - they're all clones!!! and for that matter Starcastle - the biggest Yes clones ever and Marillion.... the biggest Genesis.... etcetcetcetcetcetc....... |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: January 17 2005 at 16:36
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Nooo Don't even go there about Marillion, arcer... There'll be tears
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Posted By: goose
Date Posted: January 17 2005 at 16:38
Have you listened to the doves? I'd struggle to find one prog element in their music! Apart from, it's music. |
Posted By: aqualung28
Date Posted: January 17 2005 at 17:16
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Forget Muse! Vote FANTOMAS! ------------- "O' lady look up in time o' lady look out of love 'n you should have us all O' you should have us fall" "Bill's Corpse" By Captain Beefheart |
Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: January 17 2005 at 17:44
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There's a whole pile of derivative, uninspired neo prog bands who are included on the grounds that their albums feature twiddly synth solos and sub Tolkien lyrics. That may have been progressive in 1973 but we've all moved on since then (in theory anyway). There's a lot of contemporary acts who are closer to the original spirit of prog than any neo prog act and I'd include Muse among them. If 'prog' means consantly rehashing Foxtrot and Close To The Edge then the genre really will have no future. ------------- 'Like so many of you I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: January 17 2005 at 17:48
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Muse are a great band with plenty of prog ideas.They should be here no doubt. Have a read of this and be enlightened http://www.dprp.net/reviews/200440.html#muse - http://www.dprp.net/reviews/200440.html#muse
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Posted By: chorus of one
Date Posted: January 17 2005 at 19:23
| Who cares? Not me! |
Posted By: Prog_Bassist
Date Posted: January 17 2005 at 19:27
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I think they should be in. definetly. ------------- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhuxaD8NzaY" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhuxaD8NzaY |
Posted By: frosty
Date Posted: January 17 2005 at 19:33
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If Radiohead make it then Muse must be considered. They probably aren't as groundbreaking but definately have prog movements in their music. A band who aren't afraid to experiment and push themselves forward have more right to be here than many who are happy to rehash old ideas over and over. |
Posted By: Bryan
Date Posted: January 17 2005 at 22:21
| Muse is watered down Radiohead. They may sound alike, but Muse certainly lacks that extra experimental edge. |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: January 17 2005 at 23:07
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We are not aMUSEd.
Frankly, Backdoor, I don't give a flyin' f**k! List 'em ALL -- see if I care!
------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: Hangedman
Date Posted: January 17 2005 at 23:14
NO! This is the kind of thing all of us anti-radiohead people are whining about, yes it is whining. But by trying to say that muse is justified merely because radiohead is supports almost every point all of the anti-radioheadites are making. |
Posted By: Gaston
Date Posted: January 17 2005 at 23:46
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Mars Volta way before Muse.
Gaston -------------  
It's the same guy. Great minds think alike. |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: January 17 2005 at 23:52
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Yes, Kronk, rivetting -- absolutely rivetting.... Try the "Bands to Add" list. ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: starofsirius
Date Posted: January 18 2005 at 02:05
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Personally I prefer Muse over Radiohead by quite a large margin. I wouldn't mind seeing Muse on here really, I've always thought of them on the fringes of prog rock. ------------- "I'm in a freefall like a snowflake falling down down down down down." |
Posted By: poetic-killer
Date Posted: January 18 2005 at 04:46
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http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_BAND.asp?band_id=1033 - http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_BAN D.asp?band_id=1033
The Mars Volta are already in, bub. And rightfully so, I might add.
I think that Muse's Space Dimentia and Micro Cuts are definitely prog rock pieces, for it's a certain combination between classical music and rock, in this case, alternative rock. But those are pretty much the only songs that really do fall into this category. Unlike Radiohead, Muse are usually more straight foward musically (and lyrically, but that's irrelevant, I suppose). Either way, they have really shifted away from this direction with the poppish 'Absolution' album, which aside for a misplaced quote by rahmaminov in the middle of a song, doesn't have any real classical influence in the composition. Stocholm Syndrome, though, is totally a prog-metal song! Anyway, Doves and Elbow, totally NOT prog. not by a long shot. ------------- Solstice Coil - alternative progressive rock from Israel http://www.solstice.co.il" rel="nofollow - http://www.solstice.co.il |
Posted By: Captain Fudge
Date Posted: January 18 2005 at 08:32
They are too mucxh on UK's MTV2... Too obscure... They don't strike out as Radihead did, and no album of theirs makes you think about the fabled condition humaine, like OKC and Kid A do ------------- 
Teenage sucks hard -- Emo sucks even harder Epic. Simply epic. |
Posted By: ShrinkingViolet
Date Posted: January 18 2005 at 08:55
| Muse are better than Radiohead *dont hit me:-P* |
Posted By: Man Erg
Date Posted: January 18 2005 at 09:04
And if The Velvet Underground were nominated people would say that there were...Velvetclones  ------------- 
Do 'The Stanley' otherwise I'll thrash you with some rhubarb. |
Posted By: felixxx
Date Posted: January 18 2005 at 15:05
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Even they are much closer to prog music than radiohead i don't agree to
add them because they represent the todays music and the todays music
sucks. All these new bands recycle the old ones. I know that you will
call me closeminded but i dont care this is only my opinion i may be
wrong! |
Posted By: frenchie
Date Posted: January 18 2005 at 18:22
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i dont see why ppl compare radiohead and muse so tightly. i prefer radiohead tho muse are incredible and i mean truely incredible. muse started off as radiohead clones with showbiz but took their own unique direction, they have their similarities but are ultimately completely different bands. yet everyone seems to lump them together. ------------- The Worthless Recluse
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: January 19 2005 at 05:45
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Probably because of the occasional uncanny similarities between Thom's voice and Matt's voice |
Posted By: Jim Prog Wizard
Date Posted: January 19 2005 at 07:48
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The popularity of a band does not denote the progressive-ness of their music. Muse are much closer to prog-rock than Radiohead ------------- "Progressive Rock is the ultimate form of music" (Mikael Akerfeldt, 2003) |
Posted By: Captain Fudge
Date Posted: January 19 2005 at 08:11
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Why? They are radio-friendly, and they sell out like hell and all the teenyboppers in Britain loooove them. Period. -------------
Teenage sucks hard -- Emo sucks even harder Epic. Simply epic. |
Posted By: Jim Prog Wizard
Date Posted: January 19 2005 at 08:28
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Muse's music mixes classical and rock influences and weird song structures, and it features great musicanship. Whether they are popular or not is irrelevant. By the archive definition they are prog. Radiohead, alternatively, are a progressive band, but not necessarily prog-rock. ------------- "Progressive Rock is the ultimate form of music" (Mikael Akerfeldt, 2003) |
Posted By: JrKASperov
Date Posted: January 19 2005 at 11:17
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This discussion in this thread is the reason I don't consider this site to be about prog anymore.
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Posted By: zappa123
Date Posted: January 19 2005 at 11:54
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Well I think nowadays we can put almost everything on prog. Muse,Radiohead......I don't know.I think they are way out of prog. |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: January 19 2005 at 15:40
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Yes, but you don't think Dark Side of the Moon is prog! |
Posted By: frenchie
Date Posted: January 19 2005 at 16:30
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i agree with the muse prog relations but they still arent prog enuff to be on this site, we are being overrun by bands that arent prog at all ------------- The Worthless Recluse
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: January 20 2005 at 03:02
| So are Muse more or less prog than say IQ? I love both bands equally but I am very confused about what is considered to be prog or not.IQ have blatantly ripped off Genesis 'Suppers Ready' for their 'Harvest Of Souls'..so that's prog then.Muse are making original music with prog influences..so they are not prog then.Seems daft to me.Perhaps this site should just be for Pink Floyd, King Crimson, ELP,Yes and Gabriel era Genesis or clones of these bands.Nothing else is prog then (?!) |
Posted By: JrKASperov
Date Posted: January 20 2005 at 12:10
It isn't. I can listen to Tiem time and time again, and find that it has no progressive elements; it continues the same basic changing chords pattern throughout the song. It might be more interesting than 80's glamourrock, but hey, it ain't prog. They don't play interesting, innovating, evolving or complex enough parts to do that. ------------- Epic. |
Posted By: alan_pfeifer
Date Posted: January 20 2005 at 19:42
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Forget Muse! Vote FANTOMAS!
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Posted By: aqualung28
Date Posted: January 20 2005 at 19:48
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well I'm done pushing, they're now officially on
------------- "O' lady look up in time o' lady look out of love 'n you should have us all O' you should have us fall" "Bill's Corpse" By Captain Beefheart |
Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: January 20 2005 at 23:58
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Here we go again! My band is more prog than your band. Boring, and pointless. Perhaps "prog" (progressive rock) is simply a historical term for a sub-genre that long ago outgrew its confines and conventions, and doesn't really exist anymore, except as history or tribute/imitation/nostalgia. Just a thought. I believe that this is the real problem: the term has lost almost all meaning/relevance as a means to describe current music. It seems that if it sounds like the old prog, it is not "progressing," but if it sounds new and different, it is, to many, not what they think of as "prog rock." It means different things to each of us, especially across generations. Is it that big of a problem, really? Listen to the albums here, review the music as MUSIC, above all, and let the admins worry about the inclusion/exclusion of artists. If you MUST lobby, do it in one specifically-dedicated thread (see the "Bands to Ad list"). Perhaps, eventually -- and I mean this in all calm sincerity -- the site will have to change its name, with a less contentious, more embracing & open title. How about (as has been suggested for the genre) "progressive music Archives?" What do others think? Otherwise, these arguments will never cease, and older members, especially, won't want the site to "grow" if it remains shackled by the confines of capital "P" "Progressive Rock." "Progressive rock" is simply a subjective, but loaded, term, and it is at the root of the problem, IMO. Reasoned responses ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: January 21 2005 at 18:06
I agree Peter
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Posted By: Rob The Plant
Date Posted: January 21 2005 at 22:41
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I don't know. What about them? And What about Zeppelin? And What about Queen? And What about David Bowie? And What about Cream? And What about Jefferson Airplane? What about them?! |
Posted By: Captain Fudge
Date Posted: January 22 2005 at 14:41
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Prog isn't dead. The notion is just too relative. -------------
Teenage sucks hard -- Emo sucks even harder Epic. Simply epic. |
Posted By: Badabec
Date Posted: November 19 2005 at 15:34
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Muse isn't Prog. Same thing with Radiohead. |
Posted By: Ipacial Section
Date Posted: November 19 2005 at 16:16
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Neither of them are Prog in the 70's Progger sense of the word. Although Muse come close with their use of OTT production. But Radiohead are certainly Prog in the pushing music forward sense of the word. Muse however, are not. They are just a half-decent rip-off of Radiohead. Putting Muse into the Prog archives just because Radiohead are in there would be like putting The Rutles into the GREATEST BANDS EVER ARCHIVES, just because The Beatles are in there. So Muse don't get my vote i'm afraid. ------------- www.soundclick.com/ipacialsection |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: November 19 2005 at 17:14
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There's a petition http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3651&PN=1 - here ...and it's looking very good for Muse. I think it's unfair to say that Muse are a "rip-off of Radiohead" whether half decent or not - it's only Matt Bellamy's vocals that have any similarities with Radiohead. Muse's style couldn't be more different - less experimental and more bombastic, with lyrics that are sometimes painfully constructed and almost always rhyme, and classical influenced interludes that quite often work very well and sometimes don't. A bit like ELP really... I'm not convinced that they're Prog, but I'd happily accept them as Prog related - especially having seen them live. http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3651&KW=Certif1ed&TPN=4 -
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Posted By: karmaminstrel
Date Posted: November 19 2005 at 19:22
| Don't get a 'hoot' if they are on Progarchives or not, they always sound as dull as dishwater to me. |