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WaywardSon 
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 Topic: Maiden-Debut or Killers
Posted: October 06 2006 at 16:45 |
Of the two Di Anno studio releases, which one do you prefer?
I voted for Killers.
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: October 06 2006 at 16:50 |
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Killers,what a great album,and also ONE of my favorites.I like the songs on the debut but the production is a little weak.
And I happen to like Paul DiAnno,his Nomad album is really good.
Edited by TheProgtologist - October 06 2006 at 16:51
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Jared
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Posted: October 06 2006 at 16:54 |
yeah, 'Killers' it is for me too, 
although I have to say I've not heard either in quite a few years...  |
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Jared
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Posted: October 06 2006 at 16:59 |
I will just say that I think it interesting that the Iron Maiden threads are allowed in the 'proto-prog' camp, but my 'Blind Guardian' poll has been moved by an Admin to the non-prog area of the site....
I'm not wanting to start an argument; all I'm saying is that there is a very thin line here....
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Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: October 06 2006 at 17:11 |
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^ I guess it's because Blind Guardian are not yet in the archives.
BTW: I also choose Killers!
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Posted: October 06 2006 at 17:12 |
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OK, I am supposed to be on vacation, but it was me who moved the thread, so I think I am the one who owes you an explanation.
Blind Guardian have NOT been added to PA yet (I checked several times before moving the thread, believe me) - therefore, until they are, they count as Non-Prog. OK?
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: October 06 2006 at 17:13 |
 fandango wrote:
I will just say that I think it interesting that the Iron Maiden threads are allowed in the 'proto-prog' camp, but my 'Blind Guardian' poll has been moved by an Admin to the non-prog area of the site....
I'm not wanting to start an argument; all I'm saying is that there is a very thin line here.... |
BG isn't in the archives Jared.That is the reason why discussion about them has to go in Non prog.
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Jared
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Posted: October 06 2006 at 17:16 |
Ghost Rider wrote:
OK, I am supposed to be on vacation, but it was me who moved the thread, so I think I am the one who owes you an explanation.
Blind Guardian have NOT been added to PA yet (I checked several times before moving the thread, believe me) - therefore, until they are, they count as Non-Prog. OK?
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that's fine, I'm not wanting to tangle with you guys; I've been away for 9 months and either I can't remember the rules for where things are meant to go/ the rules have changed/ both! 
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Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson
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Jared
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Posted: October 06 2006 at 17:22 |
back on topic, its interesting that in the ratings, Killers has 3.40, whereas the debut has 3.56 stars, yet it is 4-0 in reverse... looking at the track listings, I'm sure Killers is slightly the stronger album tho...
and I'd like to ask a question of US and European forum members who are old enough... I was 13 when killers was released, and it was very influential in the UK, then the No of the Beast was absolutely MASSIVE. Is this your recollection also, or did it take longer for the Irons to build a reputation elsewhere??
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Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson
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salmacis
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Posted: October 06 2006 at 18:04 |
Well I love both- two absolutely peerless NWOBHM albums. I think 'Killers' owes slightly more to the direction they would take with the more punky 'Charlotte The Harlot' and 'Prowler' type songs being absent. 'Prodigal Son' is an underrated, and yes I suppose, progressive gem, and Di'anno's best vocal performance ever. I suppose I'll vote for Killers.
A shame Di'Anno seemingly went into self destruct mode soon after. His solo career seemed to have fizzled out until recently, though his newest album was slated by Classic Rock. I thought he seemed hugely likeable on 'The Early Years' DVD but digging around for more interviews revealed the amount of ambiguities in his interviews!!
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Posted: October 07 2006 at 00:31 |
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I can't believe NO ONE is taking the first; are you kidding? I mean 'Killers' is a great album but the first is startling, brilliant and a real statement at the time. Not to mention being unquestionably the first true progmetal album, or at least protoprog metal. C'mon, people, be serious...
Fandango-- I was in England when they were still a somewhat struggling band (1980) and back in America by 1982, where they were very big on the American West Coast. 'Killers' was more respected but 'Number' became their breakthrough and more popular by 1984.
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Posted: October 07 2006 at 01:46 |
Can't say, but these are better records than the power metal Dickinson releases to follow. 
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Posted: October 07 2006 at 03:54 |
Atavachron wrote:
I can't believe NO ONE is taking the first; are you kidding? I mean 'Killers' is a great album but the first is startling, brilliant and a real statement at the time. Not to mention being unquestionably the first true progmetal album, or at least protoprog metal. C'mon, people, be serious... |
It's not prog-metal ... and proto-prog metal ... well, if it is then the whole NWOBHM movement is proto-prog metal.
Edited by MikeEnRegalia - October 07 2006 at 03:54
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Posted: October 07 2006 at 08:57 |
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I can't believe NO ONE is taking the first; are you kidding?
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Posted: October 07 2006 at 12:17 |
The debut for me. Phantom of the Opera, Prowler, Remember Tomorrow, Running Free... What a debut !
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Posted: October 07 2006 at 14:30 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
Atavachron wrote:
I can't believe NO ONE is taking the first; are you kidding? I mean 'Killers' is a great album but the first is startling, brilliant and a real statement at the time. Not to mention being unquestionably the first true progmetal album, or at least protoprog metal. C'mon, people, be serious... |
It's not prog-metal ... and proto-prog metal ... well, if it is then the whole NWOBHM movement is proto-prog metal. |
No, because the other NWOBHM bands (Venom, Saxon, Angelwitch, Motorhead, Sweet Savage, etc.) were rather un-progressive-- mostly dark, heavy stuff. Great, but not progressive at all. Maiden had a musical spark the others lacked.
Edited by Atavachron - October 07 2006 at 17:24
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Posted: October 07 2006 at 14:54 |
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Loved those first two albums with DiAnno. I was shattered when they booted him out. They were never the same after.
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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Posted: October 07 2006 at 17:52 |
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Iron Maiden's debut album.
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Posted: October 07 2006 at 18:11 |
Atavachron wrote:
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
Atavachron wrote:
I can't believe NO ONE is taking the first; are you kidding? I mean 'Killers' is a great album but the first is startling, brilliant and a real statement at the time. Not to mention being unquestionably the first true progmetal album, or at least protoprog metal. C'mon, people, be serious... |
It's not prog-metal ... and proto-prog metal ... well, if it is then the whole NWOBHM movement is proto-prog metal. |
No, because the other NWOBHM bands (Venom, Saxon, Angelwitch, Motorhead, Sweet Savage, etc.) were rather un-progressive-- mostly dark, heavy stuff. Great, but not progressive at all. Maiden had a musical spark the others lacked.
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What about Diamond Head and Judas Priest? 
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Atavachron
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Posted: October 07 2006 at 19:39 |
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O.K., but they didn't have what I would call progressive tendencies. Priest are one of the greats, Diamondhead never did much for me but neither displayed the same sort of ambition as Maiden. They are both NWOBHM, though.
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