Maiden-Debut or Killers
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Topic: Maiden-Debut or Killers
Posted By: WaywardSon
Subject: Maiden-Debut or Killers
Date Posted: October 06 2006 at 16:45
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Of the two Di Anno studio releases, which one do you prefer?
I voted for Killers.
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: October 06 2006 at 16:50
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Killers,what a great album,and also ONE of my favorites.I like the songs on the debut but the production is a little weak.
And I happen to like Paul DiAnno,his Nomad album is really good. -------------  |
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: October 06 2006 at 16:54
yeah, 'Killers' it is for me too, 
although I have to say I've not heard either in quite a few years...  ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: October 06 2006 at 16:59
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I will just say that I think it interesting that the Iron Maiden threads are allowed in the 'proto-prog' camp, but my 'Blind Guardian' poll has been moved by an Admin to the non-prog area of the site....
I'm not wanting to start an argument; all I'm saying is that there is a very thin line here.... ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: October 06 2006 at 17:11
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^ I guess it's because Blind Guardian are not yet in the archives. BTW: I also choose Killers! ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to: 
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: October 06 2006 at 17:12
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OK, I am supposed to be on vacation, but it was me who moved the thread, so I think I am the one who owes you an explanation. Blind Guardian have NOT been added to PA yet (I checked several times before moving the thread, believe me) - therefore, until they are, they count as Non-Prog. OK? |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: October 06 2006 at 17:13
BG isn't in the archives Jared.That is the reason why discussion about them has to go in Non prog. ------------- |
fandango wrote:Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: October 06 2006 at 17:16
that's fine, I'm not wanting to tangle with you guys; I've been away for 9 months and either I can't remember the rules for where things are meant to go/ the rules have changed/ both!  ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: October 06 2006 at 17:22
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back on topic, its interesting that in the ratings, Killers has 3.40, whereas the debut has 3.56 stars, yet it is 4-0 in reverse... looking at the track listings, I'm sure Killers is slightly the stronger album tho...
and I'd like to ask a question of US and European forum members who are old enough... I was 13 when killers was released, and it was very influential in the UK, then the No of the Beast was absolutely MASSIVE. Is this your recollection also, or did it take longer for the Irons to build a reputation elsewhere?? ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: salmacis
Date Posted: October 06 2006 at 18:04
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Well I love both- two absolutely peerless NWOBHM albums. I think 'Killers' owes slightly more to the direction they would take with the more punky 'Charlotte The Harlot' and 'Prowler' type songs being absent. 'Prodigal Son' is an underrated, and yes I suppose, progressive gem, and Di'anno's best vocal performance ever. I suppose I'll vote for Killers. A shame Di'Anno seemingly went into self destruct mode soon after. His solo career seemed to have fizzled out until recently, though his newest album was slated by Classic Rock. I thought he seemed hugely likeable on 'The Early Years' DVD but digging around for more interviews revealed the amount of ambiguities in his interviews!! |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 07 2006 at 00:31
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I can't believe NO ONE is taking the first; are you kidding? I mean 'Killers' is a great album but the first is startling, brilliant and a real statement at the time. Not to mention being unquestionably the first true progmetal album, or at least protoprog metal. C'mon, people, be serious...
Fandango-- I was in England when they were still a somewhat struggling band (1980) and back in America by 1982, where they were very big on the American West Coast. 'Killers' was more respected but 'Number' became their breakthrough and more popular by 1984. |
Posted By: Eetu Pellonpaa
Date Posted: October 07 2006 at 01:46
Can't say, but these are better records than the power metal Dickinson releases to follow. 
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: October 07 2006 at 03:54
It's not prog-metal ... and proto-prog metal ... well, if it is then the whole NWOBHM movement is proto-prog metal. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: October 07 2006 at 08:57
I did. ------------- Over land and under ashes In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
Posted By: Melomaniac
Date Posted: October 07 2006 at 12:17
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The debut for me. Phantom of the Opera, Prowler, Remember Tomorrow, Running Free... What a debut ! ------------- "One likes to believe in the freedom of Music" - Neil Peart, The Spirit of Radio |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 07 2006 at 14:30
No, because the other NWOBHM bands (Venom, Saxon, Angelwitch, Motorhead, Sweet Savage, etc.) were rather un-progressive-- mostly dark, heavy stuff. Great, but not progressive at all. Maiden had a musical spark the others lacked. |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: October 07 2006 at 14:54
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Loved those first two albums with DiAnno. I was shattered when they booted him out. They were never the same after. ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: October 07 2006 at 17:52
| Iron Maiden's debut album. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: October 07 2006 at 18:11
What about Diamond Head and Judas Priest?  ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 07 2006 at 19:39
| O.K., but they didn't have what I would call progressive tendencies. Priest are one of the greats, Diamondhead never did much for me but neither displayed the same sort of ambition as Maiden. They are both NWOBHM, though. |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: October 08 2006 at 06:49
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Ilm was the only of NWOBHM that was remotedly progressive and that's about it for duiscussions on that generation.
Previous Priest, Rainbow and Sabbath have prog elements: Priest's Sad Wings and Raibow's Rising are easily as prog-related as IM's first two albums.
But by the time NWOBHM was happening neither Priest or Rainbow were remotedly prog anymore.
Bassist Harris is the prime progressive element in the band >> Strange World on the debut. ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: October 08 2006 at 08:50
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^what about Diamond Head? Recently I bought their 1983 album "Canterbury" ... I found that it has pretty obvious prog influences.
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Posted By: ThirdEye
Date Posted: October 08 2006 at 16:07
Absolutely, Killers !!! It's maybe one of the Best albums of N.W.O.B.H.M. 
UP THE IRONS
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: October 09 2006 at 03:44
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I went with the debut because the Killers album is a typical NWOBHM album with the typical over-production (as will have all of their future albums too). It does not that classic 70's that the first album has . ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 09 2006 at 04:14
I recall Diamondhead kinda biting the big one, but that was a long time ago. The next closest 80s metal band with progressive leanings was Kevin Heybourne's Angelwitch, an excellent band but just barely progressive. Raven were great to, but more early Thrash. No, it was Maiden that provided the blueprint for progmetal followed by Voivod. |
Posted By: salmacis
Date Posted: October 09 2006 at 12:31
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I have a fair proportion of 'Canterbury' on a 2 disc anthology of Diamond Head and played them when Certif1ed mentioned this album as being quite progressive. I really couldn't see it at all.
Angel Witch's debut I love- not really progressive but I love NWOBHM generally. Perhaps one song, on the 'Metal For Muthas' album, is progressive- 'Baphomet', which sounds like Rush circa 'Cygnus X1' as played by Black Sabbath. Great track.
There was another song on said album by Samson called 'Tomorrow Or Yesterday', which was like Manfred Mann's Earth Band and quite progressive. Again, it stands alone in their oeuvre as the rest of their work is (first flight) heavy/blues rock.
Steve Harris always said he was unhappy with the debut's production. I've never seen any problem with it, myself. In fact, both of these albums are equally superb- imo, they were an obvious cut above the other NWOBHM bands, as much as I like them. Only Saxon and, imo, Samson came close- Def Leppard's sound was far too glossy and commercial, Diamond Head were perhaps a bit too obtuse for mass appeal, Venom were a bit too aggressive for many, Tygers Of Pan Tang never really went above 2nd division. My favourite of the other NWOBHM bands is White Spirit and Witchfynde. White Spirit's eponymous album is another unsung classic- great keyboard work with lots of chunky, riff heavy pomp rock. They have a far more polished sound than almost every other NWOBHM band due to the keyboards, plus 'Fool For The Gods' is a stunningly elaborate epic. Witchfynde's debut 'Give 'Em Hell' sounds like every song was produced somewhere different, but some stunning songs, best of all the Rush esque 'Leavin' Nadir'.
I think if you looked hard enough you'd find prog elements in most NWOBHM bands, but not as many consistently as Iron Maiden did.
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Posted By: WaywardSon
Date Posted: October 09 2006 at 12:46
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I remember having that album "Metal for muthas"
Another band on there were Praying Mantis, who are still together from the last I heard.
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Posted By: Grake Leg
Date Posted: October 11 2006 at 14:08
Thats the second time for today that I voted- and noticed thats itīs draw! (because of my voting)
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Posted By: Daydreamyng
Date Posted: January 26 2007 at 17:04
| Killers |
Posted By: A B Negative
Date Posted: February 14 2007 at 11:21
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The first Maiden album is excellent but my vote goes to Killers. The first gig I ever went to was Maiden on their Killers tour (supported by Trust at the Odeon in Edinburgh in 1981) so I think that swayed my decision. ------------- "The disgusting stink of a too-loud electric guitar.... Now, that's my idea of a good time." |
Posted By: Modrigue
Date Posted: February 14 2007 at 11:24
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Killers is my favorite Maiden album
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: February 15 2007 at 15:26
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The album with Phantom of The Opera on it.
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 16 2007 at 18:02
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I agree, the first one was the best debut they released (umm, ;>?). But seriously, despite Steve Harris being ambivalent about the production job on that first one (he was not happy with the producer's "contribution", please see their site), I still love the sound & the songs. I'm still spreading the gospel on the song "Transylvannia". If you break it down, it is mostly based on a celtic reel. Just imagiine yourself dancing to a celtic tune, then superimpose the song. No ., really. |
Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: February 20 2007 at 22:10
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Tie. ------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on! |