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DallasBryan 
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Joined: November 23 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3323 |
 Topic: Rating Proto-Prog/Related/FolkPosted: September 22 2006 at 05:01 |
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 VANILLA FUDGE - Renaissance PROCOL HARUM - Shine On Brightly MOODY BLUES, THE - Seventh Sojourn MOODY BLUES, THE - Every Good Boy Deserves Favour MOODY BLUES, THE - Question of Balance MOODY BLUES, THE - To our Children's Children's Children  MOODY BLUES, THE - In Search of the Lost Chord  MOODY BLUES, THE - On The Threshold Of A Dream JEFFERSON AIRPLANE - After Bathing at Baxter's JEFFERSON AIRPLANE - Crown of Creation IT'S A BEAUTIFUL DAY - It's A Beautiful Day HAYWARD & LODGE (THE MOODY BLUES) - Blue Jays H.P. LOVECRAFT - H.P. Lovecraft II H.P. LOVECRAFT - H.P. Lovecraft BROWN BAND, THE ARTHUR - The Crazy World Of Arthur Brown WISHBONE ASH - Argus STYX - Pieces of Eight STYX - The Grand Illusion SIDDHARTHA - Weltschmerz SATIN WHALE* - Desert Places PARSONS PROJECT, ALAN - Eye In The Sky PARSONS PROJECT, ALAN - The Turn Of A Friendly Card PARSONS PROJECT, ALAN - Pyramid PARSONS PROJECT, ALAN - Tales of Mystery and Imagination - Edgar Allan Poe PARSONS PROJECT, ALAN - I Robot MANZANERA, PHIL - Diamond head KLAATU - Hope HODGSON, ROGER - In The Eye Of The Storm GILMOUR, DAVID - David Gilmour GABRIEL, PETER - Peter Gabriel 2 GABRIEL, PETER - Peter Gabriel 1 GABRIEL, PETER - Peter Gabriel 3 FM - Black Noise FAIRPORT CONVENTION - Liege & Lief ELECTRIC LIGHT ORCHESTRA - Out of the Blue ELECTRIC LIGHT ORCHESTRA - A New World Record ELECTRIC LIGHT ORCHESTRA - Face the Music ELECTRIC LIGHT ORCHESTRA - On the Third Day ELECTRIC LIGHT ORCHESTRA - Electric Light Orchestra II ELECTRIC LIGHT ORCHESTRA - Electric Light Orchestra (No Answer) ELECTRIC LIGHT ORCHESTRA - Eldorado: A Symphony BUSH, KATE - The Kick Inside ASIA - Asia ANDERSON, JON - Olias of Sunhillow 10CC - Sheet Music WITTHÜSER AND WESTRUPP - Der Jesuspilz - Musik Vom Evangelium WITTHÜSER AND WESTRUPP - Trips Und Traume TRIANA - Triana (El Patio) TRAFFIC - John Barleycorn Must Die TRAFFIC - Shoot Out at the Fantasy Factory TRAFFIC - The Low Spark of High Heeled Boys STRAWBS - Ghosts STRAWBS - Bursting At The Seams STRAWBS - From the Witchwood STRAWBS - Hero and Heroine STRAWBS - Grave New World SAINT JUST - Saint Just RAGNARÖK - Ragnarök PIERROT LUNAIRE - Gudrun PARZIVAL - Legend OUGENWEIDE - Eulenspiegel OSIBISA - Osibisa MEZQUITA - Recuerdos de mi Tierra MALICORNE - Le Bestiaire KERRS PINK - Mellom Oss KEBNEKAISE - Kebnekaise JETHRO TULL - Heavy Horses JETHRO TULL - Songs From The Wood JETHRO TULL - War Child JETHRO TULL - Minstrel In The Gallery JETHRO TULL - A Passion Play JETHRO TULL - Thick As A Brick JETHRO TULL - Aqualung JETHRO TULL - Benefit JAN DUKES DE GREY - Mice And Rats In The Loft JAIVAS, LOS - Los Jaivas ITOIZ - Ezekiel IBIO - Cuevas de Altamira HORSLIPS - The Tain HORSLIPS - Book of Invasions: A Celtic Symphony HOELDERLIN - Hölderlins Traum HAIZEA - Hontz Gaua GUALBERTO - Vericuetos GRYPHON - Red Queen to Gryphon Three ERROBI* - Ametsaren Bidea EMTIDI - Saat DELIRIUM (ITA) - Dolce Acqua DELIRIUM (ITA) - Delirium III: Viaggio Negli Arcipelaghi Del Tempo COMUS - First Utterance CAROL OF HARVEST - Carol of Harvest CARNASCIALIA - Carnascialia BROSELMASCHINE - Broselmaschine APHRODITE'S CHILD - 666
3 stars are very good albums
ps - Dont forget that I grade stiffly using the full 1-5 star rating system.
5 being masterpiece, dont give this mark to many
4 being near masterpiece, or very good, classic sound, defining
3 being really good, some may consider classic, worthy listen
2 being good or collectors or those who really like the band, clone bands
1 being some good some fair songs, fair clone bands, not bad anything below this I dont consider worth rating  Edited by DallasBryan - September 22 2006 at 05:02 |
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Rocktopus
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Joined: March 02 2006 Location: Norway Status: Offline Points: 4202 |
Posted: September 22 2006 at 05:20 |
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Tony Fisher probably agrees with some of your folk preferances. I don't.
Comus, Pierrot Lunaire, Jan Dukes Degrey are fantastic. Horslips is boring and Strawbs From the Witchwood, is the only album I really like by them. |
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Over land and under ashes
In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
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Sean Trane
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Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20240 |
Posted: September 22 2006 at 05:24 |
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I think Tony Fisher will think that you and I are the same person after reading this your post  >> although you might want to re-listen to Strawbs' Collection Of Antioque And Curios. Make sure you get the remasters with the fantastic three bonus tracks too.Edited by Sean Trane - September 22 2006 at 05:52 |
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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DallasBryan
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Posted: September 22 2006 at 05:37 |
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Ive never heard Antiques and Curios, though it sounds like a good idea!
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oliverstoned
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Posted: September 22 2006 at 05:39 |
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Pierrot Lunaire and APP folk related? 
Another odd list, Mr Dallas! Edited by oliverstoned - September 22 2006 at 05:40 |
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Rocktopus
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Posted: September 22 2006 at 05:40 |
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Originally posted by Sean Trane
I think Tony Fisher will think that you and I are the same person after reading this your post  >> although you might want to re-listen to Strawbs' Collection Of Antioque And Curios.Oh no. I've become mini Sean. How embarrassing. (Will re-listen) BTW: How can you be so coldhearted and give Kate Bush's wonderfully charming debut **, Bryan? Is because its not prog? Edited by Rocktopus - September 22 2006 at 05:53 |
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Over land and under ashes
In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
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Sean Trane
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Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20240 |
Posted: September 22 2006 at 05:50 |
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APP is actually in prog related and if you look at Bryan's title it mixes proto, related and folk prog. This explaining that!!
Pierrot Lunaire is is in prog folk because of its Schoenberg (12 dances and stuff) and Tarantella influences .
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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Andrea Cortese
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Posted: September 22 2006 at 06:01 |
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Another recent high rating for Delirium III !!! What a wonderful album!
Well done, DallasBryan
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DallasBryan
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Joined: November 23 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3323 |
Posted: September 22 2006 at 06:34 |
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not my choices as to Prog Related, Prog Folk and Proto Prog, just used the categories as supplied by the ProgArchives.
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oliverstoned
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Posted: September 22 2006 at 06:38 |
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I'm trapped! |
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Eetu Pellonpaa
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Posted: September 22 2006 at 07:04 |
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Fight the system!
 Edited by Eetu Pellonpää - September 22 2006 at 07:06 |
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Andrea Cortese
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Posted: September 22 2006 at 07:06 |
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From the Witchwood is a fabulous album, imho!
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Dick Heath
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Posted: September 22 2006 at 07:33 |
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Pro-prog Folk??
Deeply troubled by the terminology and bands listed.
Why isn't, for example, a classic 60's mix of folk and hippydom such as Arlo Guthrie's Alice Restaurant listed? Or even Dovovan , who had many compositions covered by many a prog band......
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salmacis
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Posted: September 22 2006 at 07:45 |
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I think the title of the thread is meant to be a melange of proto prog, prog folk and prog related, Dick.
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Sean Trane
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Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20240 |
Posted: September 22 2006 at 09:53 |
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seemed evident to me also , but apparently Dick is not the onluy one confused over this, right Olivier?
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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Dick Heath
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Posted: September 22 2006 at 10:58 |
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Perhaps it is me trying interpret on the basis of examples, and getting nowhere. However, anybody up to developing a separate 'proto-folk prog' thread, or should that be 'photo frog pork'
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salmacis
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Posted: September 22 2006 at 11:11 |
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Umm...let me think- proto prog folk.... I guess Al Stewart's 'Love Chronicles', The Incredible String Band's 'The Hangman's Beautiful Daughter', Pentangle's first 4 albums, something by Davy Graham, John Renbourn, perhaps Bert Jansch's 'Jack Orion' (Jimmy Page ransacked this album something rotten!), 'Nicola' (augmenting folk with strings though Jansch hates the album I think) and 'Birthday Blues', Buffalo Springfield's second album, Crosby, Stills and Nash's debut, The Byrds' 'Fifth Dimension' (experimenting with folk rock/world music/jazz), Tim Buckley's 'Goodbye and Hello' and 'Happy/Sad', Donovan's 'Sunshine Superman', Roy Harper's 'Folkjokeopus'(an early near side long track in 'McGoohan's Blues'- a paean to Patrick McGoohan perhaps?), Jefferson Airplane's debut and 'Surrealistic Pillow' (though there's a lot of psych here), Bob Dylan's 'Blonde On Blonde' (perhaps- had a side long track), The Band's 'Music From Big Pink' (inspired musicians like Clapton etc to go back to roots music), Nick Drake's 'Five Leaves Left' and 'Bryter Layter' (lots of ornate orchestrations).
I'll think of a few more in due course... Edited by salmacis - September 22 2006 at 11:12 |
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DallasBryan
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Joined: November 23 2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3323 |
Posted: September 22 2006 at 14:01 |
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I love you man!
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Peter
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Posted: September 22 2006 at 15:51 |
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Not that I see much "folk" there in those PA-deemed "folk & related" (whatever)discs, but FOLK DOES NOT BELONG HERE.
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Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
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salmacis
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Posted: September 22 2006 at 17:39 |
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Can I just state that I did not nominate any of those albums I mention for inclusion here... |
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Rocktopus wrote:
Just an observation of albums that went beyond the folk parameters that led to the prog/acid folk genre in reply to Dick Heath's observation about proto prog folk albums. I think some probably now think I'm going to start a poll to include Bob Dylan and Bert Jansch....