Rating Proto-Prog/Related/Folk
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Topic: Rating Proto-Prog/Related/Folk
Posted By: DallasBryan
Subject: Rating Proto-Prog/Related/Folk
Date Posted: September 22 2006 at 05:01
 http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=91039 - VANILLA FUDGE - Renaissance  http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=91038 - PROCOL HARUM - Shine On Brightly http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=91037 - MOODY BLUES, THE - Seventh Sojourn http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=91036 - MOODY BLUES, THE - Every Good Boy Deserves Favour http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=91035 - MOODY BLUES, THE - Question of Balance http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=91034 - MOODY BLUES, THE - To our Children's Children's Children  http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=91033 - MOODY BLUES, THE - In Search of the Lost Chord  http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=91032 - MOODY BLUES, THE - On The Threshold Of A Dream http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=91031 - JEFFERSON AIRPLANE - After Bathing at Baxter's http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=91030 - JEFFERSON AIRPLANE - Crown of Creation http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=91029 - IT'S A BEAUTIFUL DAY - It's A Beautiful Day http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=91028 - HAYWARD & LODGE (THE MOODY BLUES) - Blue Jays http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=91027 - H.P. LOVECRAFT - H.P. Lovecraft II http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=91026 - H.P. LOVECRAFT - H.P. Lovecraft http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=91025 - BROWN BAND, THE ARTHUR - The Crazy World Of Arthur Brown http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=91024 - WISHBONE ASH - Argus http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=91023 - STYX - Pieces of Eight http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=91022 - STYX - The Grand Illusion http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=91021 - SIDDHARTHA - Weltschmerz http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=91020 - SATIN WHALE* - Desert Places http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=91019 - PARSONS PROJECT, ALAN - Eye In The Sky http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=91018 - PARSONS PROJECT, ALAN - The Turn Of A Friendly Card http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=91017 - PARSONS PROJECT, ALAN - Pyramid http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=91016 - PARSONS PROJECT, ALAN - Tales of Mystery and Imagination - Edgar Allan Poe http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=91015 - PARSONS PROJECT, ALAN - I Robot http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=91014 - MANZANERA, PHIL - Diamond head http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=91013 - KLAATU - Hope http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=91012 - HODGSON, ROGER - In The Eye Of The Storm http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=91011 - GILMOUR, DAVID - David Gilmour http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=91010 - GABRIEL, PETER - Peter Gabriel 2 http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=91009 - GABRIEL, PETER - Peter Gabriel 1 http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=91008 - GABRIEL, PETER - Peter Gabriel 3 http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=91007 - FM - Black Noise http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=91006 - FAIRPORT CONVENTION - Liege & Lief http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=91005 - ELECTRIC LIGHT ORCHESTRA - Out of the Blue http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=91004 - ELECTRIC LIGHT ORCHESTRA - A New World Record http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=91003 - ELECTRIC LIGHT ORCHESTRA - Face the Music http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=91002 - ELECTRIC LIGHT ORCHESTRA - On the Third Day http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=91001 - ELECTRIC LIGHT ORCHESTRA - Electric Light Orchestra II http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=91000 - ELECTRIC LIGHT ORCHESTRA - Electric Light Orchestra (No Answer) http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=90999 - ELECTRIC LIGHT ORCHESTRA - Eldorado: A Symphony http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=90998 - BUSH, KATE - The Kick Inside http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=90997 - ASIA - Asia http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=90996 - ANDERSON, JON - Olias of Sunhillow http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=90995 - 10CC - Sheet Music http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=90994 - WITTHÜSER AND WESTRUPP - Der Jesuspilz - Musik Vom Evangelium http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=90993 - WITTHÜSER AND WESTRUPP - Trips Und Traume http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=90992 - TRIANA - Triana (El Patio) http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=90991 - TRAFFIC - John Barleycorn Must Die http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=90990 - TRAFFIC - Shoot Out at the Fantasy Factory http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=90989 - TRAFFIC - The Low Spark of High Heeled Boys http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=90988 - STRAWBS - Ghosts http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=90987 - STRAWBS - Bursting At The Seams http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=90986 - STRAWBS - From the Witchwood http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=90985 - STRAWBS - Hero and Heroine http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=90984 - STRAWBS - Grave New World http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=90983 - SAINT JUST - Saint Just http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=90982 - RAGNARÖK - Ragnarök http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=90981 - PIERROT LUNAIRE - Gudrun http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=90980 - PARZIVAL - Legend http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=90979 - OUGENWEIDE - Eulenspiegel http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=90978 - OSIBISA - Osibisa http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=90977 - MEZQUITA - Recuerdos de mi Tierra http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=90976 - MALICORNE - Le Bestiaire http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=90975 - KERRS PINK - Mellom Oss http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=90974 - KEBNEKAISE - Kebnekaise http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=90970 - JETHRO TULL - Heavy Horses http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=90969 - JETHRO TULL - Songs From The Wood http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=90967 - JETHRO TULL - War Child http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=90966 - JETHRO TULL - Minstrel In The Gallery http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=90964 - JETHRO TULL - A Passion Play http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=90963 - JETHRO TULL - Thick As A Brick http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=90962 - JETHRO TULL - Aqualung http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=90960 - JETHRO TULL - Benefit http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=90958 - JAN DUKES DE GREY - Mice And Rats In The Loft http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=90957 - JAIVAS, LOS - Los Jaivas http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=90956 - ITOIZ - Ezekiel http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=90955 - IBIO - Cuevas de Altamira http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=90954 - HORSLIPS - The Tain http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=90953 - HORSLIPS - Book of Invasions: A Celtic Symphony http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=90951 - HOELDERLIN - Hölderlins Traum http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=90950 - HAIZEA - Hontz Gaua http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=90949 - GUALBERTO - Vericuetos http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=90944 - GRYPHON - Red Queen to Gryphon Three http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=90943 - ERROBI* - Ametsaren Bidea http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=90942 - EMTIDI - Saat http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=90941 - DELIRIUM (ITA) - Dolce Acqua http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=90940 - DELIRIUM (ITA) - Delirium III: Viaggio Negli Arcipelaghi Del Tempo http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=90938 - COMUS - First Utterance http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=90937 - CAROL OF HARVEST - Carol of Harvest http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=90935 - CARNASCIALIA - Carnascialia http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=90934 - BROSELMASCHINE - Broselmaschine http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=90933 - APHRODITE'S CHILD - 666
3 stars are very good albums
ps - Dont forget that I grade stiffly using the full 1-5 star rating system.
5 being masterpiece, dont give this mark to many
4 being near masterpiece, or very good, classic sound, defining
3 being really good, some may consider classic, worthy listen
2 being good or collectors or those who really like the band, clone bands
1 being some good some fair songs, fair clone bands, not bad anything below this I dont consider worth rating  |
Replies:
Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: September 22 2006 at 05:20
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Tony Fisher probably agrees with some of your folk preferances. I don't. Comus, Pierrot Lunaire, Jan Dukes Degrey are fantastic. Horslips is boring and Strawbs From the Witchwood, is the only album I really like by them. ------------- Over land and under ashes In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: September 22 2006 at 05:24
I think Tony Fisher will think that you and I are the same person after reading this your post  >> although you might want to re-listen to Strawbs' Collection Of Antioque And Curios. Make sure you get the remasters with the fantastic three bonus tracks too.------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Rocktopus wrote:Posted By: DallasBryan
Date Posted: September 22 2006 at 05:37
Ive never heard Antiques and Curios, though it sounds like a good idea!
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Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: September 22 2006 at 05:39
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Pierrot Lunaire and APP folk related? 
Another odd list, Mr Dallas! |
Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: September 22 2006 at 05:40
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Originally posted by Sean Trane I think Tony Fisher will think that you and I are the same person after reading this your post  >> although you might want to re-listen to Strawbs' Collection Of Antioque And Curios.Oh no. I've become mini Sean. How embarrassing. (Will re-listen) BTW: How can you be so coldhearted and give Kate Bush's wonderfully charming debut **, Bryan? Is because its not prog? ------------- Over land and under ashes In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: September 22 2006 at 05:50
APP is actually in prog related and if you look at Bryan's title it mixes proto, related and folk prog. This explaining that!!
Pierrot Lunaire is is in prog folk because of its Schoenberg (12 dances and stuff) and Tarantella influences . ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: September 22 2006 at 06:01
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Another recent high rating for Delirium III !!! What a wonderful album!
http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=90940 - DELIRIUM (ITA) - Delirium III: Viaggio Negli Arcipelaghi Del Tempo Well done, DallasBryan
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Posted By: DallasBryan
Date Posted: September 22 2006 at 06:34
not my choices as to Prog Related, Prog Folk and Proto Prog, just used the categories as supplied by the ProgArchives.
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Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: September 22 2006 at 06:38
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I'm trapped! |
Posted By: Eetu Pellonpaa
Date Posted: September 22 2006 at 07:04
Fight the system!
http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=90986 - STRAWBS - From the Witchwood http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=90937 - CAROL OF HARVEST - Carol of Harvest  |
Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: September 22 2006 at 07:06
From the Witchwood is a fabulous album, imho!
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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: September 22 2006 at 07:33
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Pro-prog Folk??
Deeply troubled by the terminology and bands listed.
Why isn't, for example, a classic 60's mix of folk and hippydom such as Arlo Guthrie's Alice Restaurant listed? Or even Dovovan , who had many compositions covered by many a prog band......
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Posted By: salmacis
Date Posted: September 22 2006 at 07:45
| I think the title of the thread is meant to be a melange of proto prog, prog folk and prog related, Dick. |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: September 22 2006 at 09:53
seemed evident to me also , but apparently Dick is not the onluy one confused over this, right Olivier? ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: September 22 2006 at 10:58
| Perhaps it is me trying interpret on the basis of examples, and getting nowhere. However, anybody up to developing a separate 'proto-folk prog' thread, or should that be 'photo frog pork' |
Posted By: salmacis
Date Posted: September 22 2006 at 11:11
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Umm...let me think- proto prog folk.... I guess Al Stewart's 'Love Chronicles', The Incredible String Band's 'The Hangman's Beautiful Daughter', Pentangle's first 4 albums, something by Davy Graham, John Renbourn, perhaps Bert Jansch's 'Jack Orion' (Jimmy Page ransacked this album something rotten!), 'Nicola' (augmenting folk with strings though Jansch hates the album I think) and 'Birthday Blues', Buffalo Springfield's second album, Crosby, Stills and Nash's debut, The Byrds' 'Fifth Dimension' (experimenting with folk rock/world music/jazz), Tim Buckley's 'Goodbye and Hello' and 'Happy/Sad', Donovan's 'Sunshine Superman', Roy Harper's 'Folkjokeopus'(an early near side long track in 'McGoohan's Blues'- a paean to Patrick McGoohan perhaps?), Jefferson Airplane's debut and 'Surrealistic Pillow' (though there's a lot of psych here), Bob Dylan's 'Blonde On Blonde' (perhaps- had a side long track), The Band's 'Music From Big Pink' (inspired musicians like Clapton etc to go back to roots music), Nick Drake's 'Five Leaves Left' and 'Bryter Layter' (lots of ornate orchestrations).
I'll think of a few more in due course...
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Posted By: DallasBryan
Date Posted: September 22 2006 at 14:01
I love you man!
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Posted By: Peter
Date Posted: September 22 2006 at 15:51
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Not that I see much "folk" there in those PA-deemed "folk & related" (whatever)discs, but FOLK DOES NOT BELONG HERE. ------------- "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. |
Posted By: salmacis
Date Posted: September 22 2006 at 17:39
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Can I just state that I did not nominate any of those albums I mention for inclusion here... |
Just an observation of albums that went beyond the folk parameters that led to the prog/acid folk genre in reply to Dick Heath's observation about proto prog folk albums. I think some probably now think I'm going to start a poll to include Bob Dylan and Bert Jansch....
Posted By: Australian
Date Posted: September 22 2006 at 20:00
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I have an honest question. What are you trying to prove with these posts? ------------- 
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Posted By: DallasBryan
Date Posted: September 22 2006 at 20:50
| nothing really, I have several people that have inquired about knowledge of international bands, so I thought I might put it out there to help others to select a few good ones before they dig deep in there pockets to find shells in the sand. and a help for those that are curious about obscure stuff and how it might compare generally to well known or better classics. |
Posted By: Australian
Date Posted: September 22 2006 at 22:00
Okay, that's cleared up. -------------
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Posted By: yesfan88
Date Posted: October 01 2006 at 10:17
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Personally, I think you've rated the Strawbs too low. Grave New World and Hero and Heroine are solid four-star albums. ------------- "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"- Evelyn Beatrice Hall |