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    Posted: August 14 2006 at 10:33
Due to some free time and a restless, seeking mind, I had to take my time and find out how many bands are listed on the website from each genre, not only for statistical purposes, but also as a reference to further arguments, discussions, decisions and agreements... (hope that doesn't sound like a line from 'Discipline'Wink)
 
Here is the list:
 

416 Symphonic Prog

377 Art-Rock

259 Neo Prog

255 Prog-Metal

229 Jazz-Fusion

176 Prog-Folk

156 Psychedelic/Space Rock

145 Italian Symphonic Prog

87 Prog-Related

79 RIO/Avant-Prog

60 Krautrock

32 Progressive Electronic

31 Canterbury

26 Post-Rock

25 Zeuhl

21 Indo/Raga-Prog

20 Proto-Prog

6 Various Genres

 
Some of my observations and conclusions, as well as notes during the process:
 
1. If we put RIO, Avant-Prog, Krautrock and Zeuhl into the same box titled Experimental/Avant-Garde for example, we will get

164 bands under the same roof, which will not be as extensive as other genres. I am saying this because it has been the primary reason to deny further Prog-Metal band "branching" - because we already have too much genres. If so, why not put the least popular, prevailing ones in one box? There's more similarity between bands in these genres than between many Prog-Metal bands, for example.

 

2. Indo/Raga-Prog is, as a common belief, an unnecessary addition to the site, for there are only 21 bands in the genre, and, most importantly, because it is an ethnic movement, which should have a better place in Prog Folk with other so-called Ethnic Prog bands.

 

However, this also rises an important question, as there has been a trend lately to separate, fuse and "branch" different genres:

 

How should we decide the way the genres are separated? By the number of the bands already present in a genre or by the differences between the genres?

 

If former, then what I posted in #1 and #2 applies here.

 

If the latter, then the difference between Italian Symphonic Prog and "other" Symphonic Prog is so miserable compared to Prog-Metal(I am sorry, but this is the best example where bands inside one single genre sound so different from each other)that it can be easily neglected.

 

Another idea I've got is to fuse Proto-Prog with Prog-Related, as you can pretty much say that Proto-Prog, much like Prog-Related, is merely a reference in the archives - bands which are not Prog themselves but are related or important to the genre itself.

 

The ideas expressed here have already been expressed by others many times throughout time, myself included, however, the main point of this thread was to have a deeper look on the things and also find some logical conclusion, a compromise, if I may, and actually make the decision come true.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 14 2006 at 10:37
we need more post-rock...Disapprove
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 14 2006 at 10:42
Wow.
 
Very interesting.
 
However, i feel its a little flawed with a few bands being in art rock that don't belong there. Wink
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 14 2006 at 10:43
Originally posted by Trickster F. Trickster F. wrote:

Due to some free time and a restless, seeking mind, I had to take my time and find out how many bands are listed on the website from each genre, not only for statistical purposes, but also as a reference to further arguments, discussions, decisions and agreements... (hope that doesn't sound like a line from 'Discipline'Wink)
 
Here is the list:
 

416 Symphonic Prog 

The awesome, celebrated SP team has not yet finished its cleanup of the section (we're just about halfway through, and should start again this week, with Ivan being back and all) - which means this number is likely to further decrease.

377 Art-Rock

259 Neo Prog

255 Prog-Metal

229 Jazz-Fusion

176 Prog-Folk

156 Psychedelic/Space Rock

145 Italian Symphonic Prog

87 Prog-Related

79 RIO/Avant-Prog

60 Krautrock

31 Canterbury

26 Post-Rock

25 Zeuhl

21 Indo/Raga-Prog

20 Proto-Prog

6 Various Genres

 
Some of my observations and conclusions, as well as notes during the process:
 
1. If we put RIO, Avant-Prog, Krautrock and Zeuhl into the same box titled Experimental/Avant-Garde for example, we will get

164 bands under the same roof, which will not be as extensive as other genres. I am saying this because it has been the primary reason to deny further Prog-Metal band "branching" - because we already have too much genres. If so, why not put the least popular, prevailing ones in one box? There's more similarity between bands in these genres than between many Prog-Metal bands, for example. I would be in favour of that, but the experts should have their say first, as I am certainly no expert of any of these subgenres.

 

2. Indo/Raga-Prog is, as a common belief, an unnecessary addition to the site, for there are only 21 bands in the genre, and, most importantly, because it is an ethnic movement, which should have a better place in Prog Folk with other so-called Ethnic Prog bands.

 

However, this also rises an important question, as there has been a trend lately to separate, fuse and "branch" different genres:

 

How should we decide the way the genres are separated? By the number of the bands already present in a genre or by the differences between the genres?

 

If former, then what I posted in #1 and #2 applies here.

 

If the latter, then the difference between Italian Symphonic Prog and "other" Symphonic Prog is so miserable compared to Prog-Metal(I am sorry, but this is the best example where bands inside one single genre sound so different from each other)that it can be easily neglected. You know I quite agree with you in this respect, although at the same time I am in favour of a dedicated subsection in the Symphonic subgenre for Italy and other influential national schools.

 

Another idea I've got is to fuse Proto-Prog with Prog-Related, as you can pretty much say that Proto-Prog, much like Prog-Related, is merely a reference in the archives - bands which are not Prog themselves but are related or important to the genre itself. I don't agree on this one, as the bands in Proto-Prog and Prog-Related are quite different from each other, and the purpose of having a Proto-Prog section was to highlight the forerunners of the genre - something that I find quite important to do for a website like ours.

 

The ideas expressed here have already been expressed by others many times throughout time, myself included, however, the main point of this thread was to have a deeper look on the things and also find some logical conclusion, a compromise, if I may, and actually make the decision come true.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 14 2006 at 10:57
Some interesting stuff there Ivan, I mean Trckster, and food for thought.Thumbs Up
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 14 2006 at 11:01
 
      416 Symphonic Prog..ApproveApproveApprove ..!!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 14 2006 at 11:03

416 Symphonic Prog

377 Art-Rock

259 Neo Prog

255 Prog-Metal

229 Jazz-Fusion

176 Prog-Folk

156 Psychedelic/Space Rock

145 Italian Symphonic Prog

87 Prog-Related

79 RIO/Avant-Prog  >> there are quite afewstill missing and not the least

60 Krautrock >>

31 Canterbury >> I think this small category could go into JR/F if Caravan goes to art rock and Kevin Ayers to prog-related

26 Post-Rock >> there are a few more not in

25 Zeuhl >> Some of those RIO bands are also Zeuhl

21 Indo/Raga-Prog >> an offshoot from prog folk

20 Proto-Prog >>> We got to get some more in this category

6 Various Genres>>> Osibisa into prog folk

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 14 2006 at 11:03
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 14 2006 at 11:05
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 14 2006 at 11:11
Gosh almighty, it looks like a football competition, everybody rooting for their favourite team...LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 14 2006 at 11:17
I bet it feels really good being baten by the Neo Prog by 4 bands eh, Prog Metal? Wink
 
Though you'll probably just add Slayer, Black Sabbath, and a few more to even it out. CryWink
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                        I am finally World Champion!!!!!
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 14 2006 at 11:23
Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

I bet it feels really good being baten by the Neo Prog by 4 bands eh, Prog Metal? Wink
 
Though you'll probably just add Slayer, Black Sabbath, and a few more to even it out. CryWink


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 14 2006 at 11:28
50 more prog metal bands...   Heaven help us all!!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 14 2006 at 11:36
Nice emoticon, where dit you get it from, Stonebeard LOL ? We both suffered from a disastrous World Championship, I can have some distraction so I enjoy
 
                

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 14 2006 at 11:38
Not sure if it came from here, but this pace has a lot (which I'll try to use explicitly in this thread Wink): http://www.freesmileys.org/free-animated-smileys.php
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 14 2006 at 11:55
Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

we need more post-rock...


We need more Zeuhl. Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 14 2006 at 12:20
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