Discipline/Matthew Parmenter

I only listened to the sample a few times after reading that thread. I'd think Art rock. Only the guitars feel slightly neo progressive especially at the end. The vocals are nothing like Marilion, Iq or Pallas though, more dark. I like them btw.

Bump!

I haven't heard Parmenter's solo albums so i can't comment on those, but Discipline is certainly a Symphonic band. Art rock should not be a catch all category (like it apparently is turning into).

Unfolded Like Staircase is symphonic all the way, an absolute masterpiece of 90´s prog. Their debut Push & Profit is slightly neo and has it´s moments, The Nursery Years is a great tune. Parmenters´s solo Astray could be called Art Rock it is very good but I would have loved to hear what the rest of the band could have done with the material. Does anyone know if the band is still together?

The only problem with ULS is the production, there is just no life in it.  Nothing against the excellent music, I love the music, but it feels flat to the ears.  I'd still give it a 5 (rounded up from 4.5).  A re-master would be much appreciated too!

It seems it isn't neo-prog, as I suspected.  But I cannot see it moving anytime soon.

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: Honestly neither Symphonic team or me believe it's Symphonic or Art Rock, talked with the the leader of the Neo Prog team and he agreed with us in the name of his team.   In any case, we will discuss this issue again with Neo Prog Team, but not in the next days, this is a taken decision that can be changed, but in our case we have a lot of work to do adding 21 bands (Making a bio and creating discography) of 21 supposedly symphonic bands, from which only around the 20% or 30% at the most  are really Symphonic, after that we have to advance checking one by one all the 497 Symphonic bands (We're around 120 by this moment) and only after we end this work we can go back to check the already changed bands.   I'm sure that Neo Prog Team is in the same situation, so I will please ask a bit of patience, because there is a lot of work to do and only a handful of us to do it.   Thanks   Iván   BTW: No genre that joins the most complex and hard to define bands like King Crimson, Gentle Giant or VDGG can be called a dumping ground, by the contrary very soon Art Rock will possibly be the most challenging sub-genre.

Thank you Ivan for clearing up the situation

I've noticed that DISCIPLINE's removement to Neo category has provoked much more worries than GG and KC's one to Art Rock!!!

BTW,DISCIPLINE is symphonic proggressive rock

Wow ,what a support to Matthew!!!

Geck0 wrote: How are Discipline not "Art Rock" by the definition you give, Iván? In neither case are they Neo-prog.

"In the Neo-Progressive vein" doesn't mean they're neo-progressive, it just means they have similarities to that genre.

"Halfway between classic and neo manifestations of symphonic" again doesn't mean they're neo-progressive, only that they contain elements of symphonic and neo-progressive.

They're a difficult band to categorise, hence the Art Rock category would fit them in this case (using the new classifications you've mentioned before).

"The music has symphonic tendencies with
a very modern sound. The music is complex yet
melodic first. Vocalist Matthew Parmenter adds an
intensity that gives the music an aggressive edge."

This describes a mix of genres, not just neo-progressive.  I don't find neo-progressive prog that complex, from what I have heard.  I've also not heard so much of an aggressive edge, except maybe with Marillion (I'm not familiar with that many neo-progressive bands, but from what I've heard, none have sounded that agressive to me).

Only two people have voted for them being neo-progressive on this poll and I am sure they are more familiar with the neo-progressive genre than I am.


Edited by Geck0 - May 29 2006 at 14:28

I agree that with the current definition of Symphonic Progressive that this site uses, would mean Discipline wouldn't fit here, but they have strong influences from VdGG and Genesis I believe (plus other bands I'm probably unaware of), but they also have a unique sound that doesn't fit the neo-progressive mold.  Hence why I'd say Art Rock was the best place for them.

But if prog bands from the '80s onwards are influenced by symphonic bands, such as Yes and Genesis and play in the neo-prog vein, then they are most likely neo-prog.  But a band that have other influences, that are not from the symphonic progressive genre (such as VdGG in this case), may not necessarily be neo.  The thing is, Marillion are also influenced by VdGG, who aren't symphonic... yet they're neo-progressive.  Do you see my problem?

I'm not deliberately causing problems, I'm just trying to help somewhat and offer suggestions.


Edited by Geck0 - May 29 2006 at 21:36