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GPFR 
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Posted: April 23 2006 at 13:11 |
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I have to Go With MtGJiHA, except for part a, too boring, the rest is amazing. CG is a boring also in part B too me, I like how it gets louder in C, and then the vocals, but it takes too long, and part E just seemed to be there for the album finaly.
However, both are amazing.
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Posted: April 23 2006 at 13:40 |
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They both are terrible, dragged-out jam sessions that shouldn't have been on the album at all.
To call them 'epics' is like calling a burger from McDonald's 'nutritious'; it's still mostly filler.
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Posted: April 23 2006 at 13:43 |
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I love both out of those two however I'd prefer Cassandra Gemini
however if it were one track on the album rather than split into
various different tracks. They said it was to make it look less
intimidating, although what on earth they were on about i have no idea.
Out of the whole album though L'via... is my favourite piece.
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heyitsthatguy
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Posted: April 23 2006 at 17:06 |
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*ignoring deepphreeze* I say cassandra gemini because how is Miranda even an epic? sure its 13 min, but only like 4 min of actual song.
Wait....part a....part b....do you people actually know the subdivisions or are you going by the album? because many have been confused about the album's track listing. To clarify:
Miranda is ONE TRACK.
Cassandra Gemini is the last 8 tracks of the album, and the tracks aren't really divided along the movement changes.
Edited by heyitsthatguy - April 23 2006 at 17:08
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Posted: April 23 2006 at 17:13 |
Miranda That Ghost Just Isn't Holy Anymore, is the best of the 2 IMO. But i like both, but i have only heard the album 6-7 times so its still growing on me.  This album is much harder to get into then De-loused was i think. There is so much going on. 
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GPFR
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Posted: April 23 2006 at 17:36 |
 heyitsthatguy wrote:
*ignoring deepphreeze* I say cassandra gemini because how is Miranda even an epic? sure its 13 min, but only like 4 min of actual song.
Wait....part a....part b....do you people actually know the subdivisions or are you going by the album? because many have been confused about the album's track listing. To clarify:
Miranda is ONE TRACK.
Cassandra Gemini is the last 8 tracks of the album, and the tracks aren't really divided along the movement changes.
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I'm going with what my Itunes says about the album after I uploaded it on, I don't know about you.
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Moatilliatta
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Posted: April 23 2006 at 17:55 |
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The way you phrase it "which of the two epics..." makes it seem as though those are the only ones. If you are going to consider Miranda an epic, than you have to include Cygnus and L'Via as well. Now, if you specifically wanted a preference between the two tracks specifically, you just phrased the question incorrectly.
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Moatilliatta
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Posted: April 23 2006 at 17:57 |
GPFR wrote:
heyitsthatguy wrote:
*ignoring deepphreeze* I say cassandra gemini because how is Miranda even an epic? sure its 13 min, but only like 4 min of actual song.
Wait....part a....part b....do you people actually know the subdivisions or are you going by the album? because many have been confused about the album's track listing. To clarify:
Miranda is ONE TRACK.
Cassandra Gemini is the last 8 tracks of the album, and the tracks aren't really divided along the movement changes.
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I'm going with what my Itunes says about the album after I uploaded it on, I don't know about you.
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Nearly every music data provider on the internet has the tracklist incrrect. And if you listen to the album with the incorrect tracklisting, it should be pretty obvious that all of the last 8 tracks go together.
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GPFR
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Posted: April 23 2006 at 18:13 |
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^^either way those two are still m yfavorite on the album, but yeah, your right, sorry.
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Zoso
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Posted: April 23 2006 at 18:41 |
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Cassandra Geminni.
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The Wizard
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Posted: April 23 2006 at 19:02 |
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You can't beat the psychedelic ambience of Miranda.
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heyitsthatguy
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Posted: April 23 2006 at 19:21 |
Moatilliatta wrote:
GPFR wrote:
heyitsthatguy wrote:
*ignoring deepphreeze* I say cassandra gemini because how is Miranda even an epic? sure its 13 min, but only like 4 min of actual song.
Wait....part a....part b....do you people actually know the subdivisions or are you going by the album? because many have been confused about the album's track listing. To clarify:
Miranda is ONE TRACK.
Cassandra Gemini is the last 8 tracks of the album, and the tracks aren't really divided along the movement changes.
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I'm going with what my Itunes says about the album after I uploaded it on, I don't know about you.
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Nearly every music data provider on the internet has the tracklist incrrect. And if you listen to the album with the incorrect tracklisting, it should be pretty obvious that all of the last 8 tracks go together. |
I have almost nothing to add at this point, just seeing how many quotes w/in a quote are possible. hehe... well anyways if you're so reliant on itunes, look at the cassandra gemini there. It's the 32 minute uncut version, starting where supposedly part b of miranda started.
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fezman
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Posted: April 23 2006 at 20:25 |
Cassandra for sure!!!!
Can anyone tell me if the section that mentions the 'Mink handjob' is from William Burroughs Naked Lunch. It certainly sounds like it is.
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Can't think of anything cool at the moment ...
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lunaticviolist
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Posted: April 23 2006 at 20:52 |
The Wizard wrote:
You can't beat the psychedelic ambience of Miranda. |
I agree! I like your avatar!
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The Miracle
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Posted: April 23 2006 at 22:51 |
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I think Cassandra Geminni is their ultimate masterpiece. Miranda is my second favorite song of theirs.
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Posted: April 23 2006 at 23:03 |
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Cassandra Geminni is their best piece of music IMO. Miranda is a very good song but doesn't really compare to CG. Just my thoughts.
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One likes to believe
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But glittering prizes
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Posted: April 23 2006 at 23:11 |
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I think Cassandra Gemini is the overall better work. Miranda just drags in parts, but I can rock out to CG the whole way thru. all 30 minutes!
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Ghandi 2
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Posted: April 23 2006 at 23:47 |
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Cassandra Gemini. The first 4 minutes of Miranda are a complete waste of time; the middle is a tad repitious; and the end is not all that great. However, track 9 is the only skipworthy section of Cassandra.
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Moatilliatta
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Posted: April 24 2006 at 00:01 |
Well, I haven't yet put in my opinion on the subject yet, so here:
Miranda has some of the most beautiful passages of music I've ever heard, and the ambience at the beginning, contrary to popular opinion, is a great way to set the stage for the song. I really have nothing to complian about with Miranda, and I don't think the ambient parts are nearly as repetitve and wasteful as the part after The Widow.
Cassandra has got to be one of the greatest epics (and songs) ever written. Not to take anything way from the rest of the album, which is all cream of the crop too, but Cassandra, in its entirety is powerful, exciting, emotional, etc, etc. I can't say enough good things about it.
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Yanns
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Posted: April 24 2006 at 00:21 |
Cassandra.
But, to the person that started this thread: maybe you need to reconsider your thoughts on the subject too? After all, you have been listening to the wrong things. You believed some parts of Cassandra were actually part of Miranda, etc.
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