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    Posted: April 21 2006 at 08:09
It strikes me as weird and opportunistic that Tool would Title their latest CD 10,000 days (that's how long Vietnam lasted) Its weird because Tool wouldn`t have been old enough to have been their amongst the bloodshed , they wouldn`t have seen their best friends heads blown off or arms ripped out and guts spilling everywhere  .. ohhhh  No !!!! but they will gladly parasite from such a tragic event $$$$ . Now you Fanboys have probably rated this CD before you even heard a note  Wink   but don`t think for one minute its going to stay high in rating because "We" will bring it down to where drivel like this belongs Smile
Outraged &  Disgusted ...   Respect the Vietnam vets don`t parasite and live off their pain , unless you have been there   Angry


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2006 at 08:14
The album name supposedly refers to the length between her mother being paralyzed and her death (which is about 27 years).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2006 at 08:15
I don't follow that argument. Are you saying one can only comment or writa about personal experience?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2006 at 08:15
The album is not about the Vietnam war. Next time you make such bold accusations, you might want to make sure that you know what you're talking about.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2006 at 08:19
If you lost a member of your family it should be OK to go into that type of political territory .. I think Age of nemesis needs a chill pill  after all we don`t know the relavince to the issue not till we hear the CD that's not even released yet 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2006 at 08:21
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

The album is not about the Vietnam war. Next time you make such bold accusations, you might want to make sure that you know what you're talking about.
Mike the term 10,000 days is a known term for Vietnam ... sorry mate but I think Nemesis is right on the money with what its about Smile   but I think he needs a chill pill as well
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2006 at 08:22
Originally posted by Masque Masque wrote:

If you lost a member of your family it should be OK to go into that type of political territory .. I think Age of nemesis needs a chill pill  after all we don`t know the relavince to the issue not till we hear the CD that's not even released yet 


The album is telling a fictional story about a man experiencing the Bush administration (and then some). At least that's what I gather from several print magazine reviews and interviews.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2006 at 08:26
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

The album is not about the Vietnam war. Next time you make such bold accusations, you might want to make sure that you know what you're talking about.
LOL
And the Vietnam War lasted from 1957-1975 which is 18 years or around 6500 days (according to Wikipedia).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2006 at 08:28
Masque: I know, but since when are young people not allowed to use phrases like that to create some controversy? After all, choosing such a title for an album about the Bush administration (or about the problems of our society with that administration) is a really clever move IMO. And since they're not belitteling the war in any way, why not?

Surely he was out of line with calling them parasites, his suggestion that people who already reviewed it didn't listen to it (and adding a Wink to get away with it), calling the reviews "drivel" and what's worst:

ANNOUNCING TO ABUSE THE RATING SYSTEM.

Immediate ban is in order IMO.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2006 at 08:31
Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

The album is not about the Vietnam war. Next time you make such bold accusations, you might want to make sure that you know what you're talking about.
LOL
And the Vietnam War lasted from 1957-1975 which is 18 years or around 6500 days (according to Wikipedia).


But the Vietnam War is referred to sometimes as the 10,000 Day War.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2006 at 08:32

i heard the same thing about the theme bades around maynards mother

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2006 at 08:34
Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

The album is not about the Vietnam war. Next time you make such bold accusations, you might want to make sure that you know what you're talking about.
LOL
And the Vietnam War lasted from 1957-1975 which is 18 years or around 6500 days (according to Wikipedia).


But the Vietnam War is referred to sometimes as the 10,000 Day War.
Thanks Jody, I wasn't aware of that. However it appears that Mike is right about the subject, I also found this in Wikipedia -
 
"Marie" is the middle name of Maynard James Keenan's deceased mother, Judith Marie Keenan.

As Keenan explains on commentary on aMOTION, his mother suffered a stroke that left her partially paralyzed and wheelchair-bound. The length of time between her paralysis and her death was 27 years, or approximately 10,000 days.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2006 at 08:34
Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:



But the Vietnam War is referred to sometimes as the 10,000 Day War.


Yes, but the album is neither about the war nor is it making fun of it ... and if it is indeed about the Bush administration (and not about Maynard's mother as some suggest) then it's quite ok to use it IMO. If it IS about his mother and here life is related to that interval (10,000 days) then it's also perfectly valid.

I'm really looking forward to listening to this!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2006 at 08:37
Originally posted by Age Of Nemesis Age Of Nemesis wrote:

It strikes me as weird and opportunistic that Tool would Title their latest CD 10,000 days (that's how long Vietnam lasted) Its weird because Tool wouldn`t have been old enough to have been their amongst the bloodshed , they wouldn`t have seen their best friends heads blown off or arms ripped out .. ohhhh  No !!!! but they will gladly parasite from such a tragic even . Now you Fanboys have probably rated this CD before you even heard a note  Wink   but don`t think for one minute its going to stay high in rating because "We" will bring it down to where drivel like this belongs Smile
Outraged &  Disgusted ...   Respect the Vietnam vets don`t parasite and live of their pain , unless you have been there  Angry


You don't have to personally experience something to be moved by it or want to write about it.And if they did make a song or album about Nam,who are you to say they are exploiting Vietnam Vets(two of my older brothers are Vietnam veterans,both saw heavy combat during their tours).

Do you think Platooon was an exploitation movie?It really raised awareness about Vietnam and what the boys went through over there.

Another question.Have you ever served in your country's armed services?Are you a veteran?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2006 at 08:38
We've gone purple again!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2006 at 08:39
yes, a really deep one!LOL and the emoticons in the quick reply box are now working.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2006 at 08:39
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:



But the Vietnam War is referred to sometimes as the 10,000 Day War.


Yes, but the album is neither about the war nor is it making fun of it ... and if it is indeed about the Bush administration (and not about Maynard's mother as some suggest) then it's quite ok to use it IMO. If it IS about his mother and here life is related to that interval (10,000 days) then it's also perfectly valid.

I'm really looking forward to listening to this!


I didn't say it was about it and don't really think it is.I just wanted to point out that the Vietnam War is also called the 10,000 Day War.

And to the topic creator,Maynard might not have been old enough to serve in Nam but he WAS in the Army.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2006 at 08:41
LampExclamation..and some new ones.Approve
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2006 at 08:42
Originally posted by Age Of Nemesis Age Of Nemesis wrote:

It strikes me as weird and opportunistic that Tool would Title their latest CD 10,000 days (that's how long Vietnam lasted) Its weird because Tool wouldn`t have been old enough to have been their amongst the bloodshed , they wouldn`t have seen their best friends heads blown off or arms ripped out .. ohhhh  No !!!! but they will gladly parasite from such a tragic even . Now you Fanboys have probably rated this CD before you even heard a note  Wink   but don`t think for one minute its going to stay high in rating because "We" will bring it down to where drivel like this belongs Smile
Outraged &  Disgusted ...   Respect the Vietnam vets don`t parasite and live of their pain , unless you have been there  Angry
 
Just out of curiosity, how do you feel about Born In The USA by Bruce Springsteen? I'd recommend reading the lyrics carefully before you respond.
 
You might be surprised to learn the Viet Nam is a country as well as a war, and has been around a lot longer than 10,000 days.
'Like so many of you
I've got my doubts about how much to contribute
to the already rich among us...'

Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 21 2006 at 08:45
Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by TheProgtologist TheProgtologist wrote:



But the Vietnam War is referred to sometimes as the 10,000 Day War.


Yes, but the album is neither about the war nor is it making fun of it ... and if it is indeed about the Bush administration (and not about Maynard's mother as some suggest) then it's quite ok to use it IMO. If it IS about his mother and here life is related to that interval (10,000 days) then it's also perfectly valid.

I'm really looking forward to listening to this!


I didn't say it was about it and don't really think it is.I just wanted to point out that the Vietnam War is also called the 10,000 Day War.

And to the topic creator,Maynard might not have been old enough to serve in Nam but he WAS in the Army.


Sure. I was only trying to say that it's ok for them to use that as a title for their album. IMO the only situation where it would annoy me is if a band was using that album title and would perform in a military look and play all fun/shallow commercial songs that have nothing to do with either war or other serious topics.
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