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It strikes me as weird and opportunistic that Tool would Title their latest CD 10,000 days (that's how long Vietnam lasted) Its weird because Tool wouldn`t have been old enough to have been their amongst the bloodshed , they wouldn`t have seen their best friends heads blown off or arms ripped out and guts spilling everywhere .. ohhhh No !!!! but they will gladly parasite from such a tragic event $$$$ . Now you Fanboys have probably rated this CD before you even heard a note
![]() ![]() Outraged & Disgusted ... Respect the Vietnam vets don`t parasite and live off their pain , unless you have been there ![]() Edited by Age Of Nemesis - April 21 2006 at 08:40 |
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CaptainWafflos ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: August 09 2005 Status: Offline Points: 213 |
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The album name supposedly refers to the length between her mother being paralyzed and her death (which is about 27 years).
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Snow Dog ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 23 2005 Location: Caerdydd Status: Offline Points: 32995 |
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I don't follow that argument. Are you saying one can only comment or writa about personal experience?
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MikeEnRegalia ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21633 |
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The album is not about the Vietnam war. Next time you make such bold accusations, you might want to make sure that you know what you're talking about.
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Masque ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 01 2006 Status: Offline Points: 808 |
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If you lost a member of your family it should be OK to go into that type of political territory .. I think Age of nemesis needs a chill pill after all we don`t know the relavince to the issue not till we hear the CD that's not even released yet
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MikeEnRegalia ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21633 |
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The album is telling a fictional story about a man experiencing the Bush administration (and then some). At least that's what I gather from several print magazine reviews and interviews. |
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chopper ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 13 2005 Location: Essex, UK Status: Offline Points: 20035 |
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![]() And the Vietnam War lasted from 1957-1975 which is 18 years or around 6500 days (according to Wikipedia).
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MikeEnRegalia ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21633 |
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Masque: I know, but since when are young people not allowed to use phrases like that to create some controversy? After all, choosing such a title for an album about the Bush administration (or about the problems of our society with that administration) is a really clever move IMO. And since they're not belitteling the war in any way, why not?
Surely he was out of line with calling them parasites, his suggestion that people who already reviewed it didn't listen to it (and adding a ![]() ANNOUNCING TO ABUSE THE RATING SYSTEM. Immediate ban is in order IMO. |
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TheProgtologist ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: May 23 2005 Location: Baltimore,Md US Status: Offline Points: 27802 |
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But the Vietnam War is referred to sometimes as the 10,000 Day War. |
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46and2 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 01 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 203 |
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i heard the same thing about the theme bades around maynards mother |
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chopper ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 13 2005 Location: Essex, UK Status: Offline Points: 20035 |
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Thanks Jody, I wasn't aware of that. However it appears that Mike is right about the subject, I also found this in Wikipedia -
"Marie" is the middle name of Maynard James Keenan's deceased mother, Judith Marie Keenan.
As Keenan explains on commentary on aMOTION, his mother suffered a stroke that left her partially paralyzed and wheelchair-bound. The length of time between her paralysis and her death was 27 years, or approximately 10,000 days. |
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MikeEnRegalia ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21633 |
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Yes, but the album is neither about the war nor is it making fun of it ... and if it is indeed about the Bush administration (and not about Maynard's mother as some suggest) then it's quite ok to use it IMO. If it IS about his mother and here life is related to that interval (10,000 days) then it's also perfectly valid. I'm really looking forward to listening to this! Edited by MikeEnRegalia - April 21 2006 at 08:35 |
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TheProgtologist ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: May 23 2005 Location: Baltimore,Md US Status: Offline Points: 27802 |
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You don't have to personally experience something to be moved by it or want to write about it.And if they did make a song or album about Nam,who are you to say they are exploiting Vietnam Vets(two of my older brothers are Vietnam veterans,both saw heavy combat during their tours). Do you think Platooon was an exploitation movie?It really raised awareness about Vietnam and what the boys went through over there. Another question.Have you ever served in your country's armed services?Are you a veteran? |
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We've gone purple again!
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MikeEnRegalia ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21633 |
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yes, a really deep one!
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I didn't say it was about it and don't really think it is.I just wanted to point out that the Vietnam War is also called the 10,000 Day War. And to the topic creator,Maynard might not have been old enough to serve in Nam but he WAS in the Army. |
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Just out of curiosity, how do you feel about Born In The USA by Bruce Springsteen? I'd recommend reading the lyrics carefully before you respond.
You might be surprised to learn the Viet Nam is a country as well as a war, and has been around a lot longer than 10,000 days.
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'Like so many of you
I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom |
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MikeEnRegalia ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21633 |
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Sure. I was only trying to say that it's ok for them to use that as a title for their album. IMO the only situation where it would annoy me is if a band was using that album title and would perform in a military look and play all fun/shallow commercial songs that have nothing to do with either war or other serious topics. |
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