Tool Parasite from Vietnam vets
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Topic: Tool Parasite from Vietnam vets
Posted By: Guests
Subject: Tool Parasite from Vietnam vets
Date Posted: April 21 2006 at 08:09
It strikes me as weird and opportunistic that Tool would Title their latest CD 10,000 days (that's how long Vietnam lasted) Its weird because Tool wouldn`t have been old enough to have been their amongst the bloodshed , they wouldn`t have seen their best friends heads blown off or arms ripped out and guts spilling everywhere .. ohhhh No !!!! but they will gladly parasite from such a tragic event $$$$ . Now you Fanboys have probably rated this CD before you even heard a note  but don`t think for one minute its going to stay high in rating because "We" will bring it down to where drivel like this belongs  Outraged & Disgusted ... Respect the Vietnam vets don`t parasite and live off their pain , unless you have been there  |
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Posted By: CaptainWafflos
Date Posted: April 21 2006 at 08:14
| The album name supposedly refers to the length between her mother being paralyzed and her death (which is about 27 years). |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 21 2006 at 08:15
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I don't follow that argument. Are you saying one can only comment or writa about personal experience? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: April 21 2006 at 08:15
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The album is not about the Vietnam war. Next time you make such bold accusations, you might want to make sure that you know what you're talking about.
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Posted By: Masque
Date Posted: April 21 2006 at 08:19
| If you lost a member of your family it should be OK to go into that type of political territory .. I think Age of nemesis needs a chill pill after all we don`t know the relavince to the issue not till we hear the CD that's not even released yet |
Posted By: Masque
Date Posted: April 21 2006 at 08:21
but I think he needs a chill pill as well |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: April 21 2006 at 08:22
The album is telling a fictional story about a man experiencing the Bush administration (and then some). At least that's what I gather from several print magazine reviews and interviews. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: April 21 2006 at 08:26
 And the Vietnam War lasted from 1957-1975 which is 18 years or around 6500 days (according to Wikipedia).
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: April 21 2006 at 08:28
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Masque: I know, but since when are young people not allowed to use phrases like that to create some controversy? After all, choosing such a title for an album about the Bush administration (or about the problems of our society with that administration) is a really clever move IMO. And since they're not belitteling the war in any way, why not? Surely he was out of line with calling them parasites, his suggestion that people who already reviewed it didn't listen to it (and adding a to get away with it), calling the reviews "drivel" and what's worst:ANNOUNCING TO ABUSE THE RATING SYSTEM. Immediate ban is in order IMO. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: April 21 2006 at 08:31
But the Vietnam War is referred to sometimes as the 10,000 Day War. -------------  |
Posted By: 46and2
Date Posted: April 21 2006 at 08:32
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i heard the same thing about the theme bades around maynards mother ------------- 
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: April 21 2006 at 08:34
Thanks Jody, I wasn't aware of that. However it appears that Mike is right about the subject, I also found this in Wikipedia -
"Marie" is the middle name of Maynard James Keenan's deceased mother, Judith Marie Keenan.
As Keenan explains on commentary on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMOTION - aMOTION , his mother suffered a stroke that left her partially paralyzed and wheelchair-bound. The length of time between her paralysis and her death was 27 years, or approximately 10,000 days. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: April 21 2006 at 08:34
Yes, but the album is neither about the war nor is it making fun of it ... and if it is indeed about the Bush administration (and not about Maynard's mother as some suggest) then it's quite ok to use it IMO. If it IS about his mother and here life is related to that interval (10,000 days) then it's also perfectly valid. I'm really looking forward to listening to this! ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: April 21 2006 at 08:37
You don't have to personally experience something to be moved by it or want to write about it.And if they did make a song or album about Nam,who are you to say they are exploiting Vietnam Vets(two of my older brothers are Vietnam veterans,both saw heavy combat during their tours). Do you think Platooon was an exploitation movie?It really raised awareness about Vietnam and what the boys went through over there. Another question.Have you ever served in your country's armed services?Are you a veteran? ------------- |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 21 2006 at 08:38
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We've gone purple again!
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: April 21 2006 at 08:39
yes, a really deep one! and the emoticons in the quick reply box are now working.
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: April 21 2006 at 08:39
I didn't say it was about it and don't really think it is.I just wanted to point out that the Vietnam War is also called the 10,000 Day War. And to the topic creator,Maynard might not have been old enough to serve in Nam but he WAS in the Army. ------------- |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 21 2006 at 08:41
  ..and some new ones.
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Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: April 21 2006 at 08:42
Just out of curiosity, how do you feel about Born In The USA by Bruce Springsteen? I'd recommend reading the lyrics carefully before you respond.
You might be surprised to learn the Viet Nam is a country as well as a war, and has been around a lot longer than 10,000 days. ------------- 'Like so many of you I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: April 21 2006 at 08:45
Sure. I was only trying to say that it's ok for them to use that as a title for their album. IMO the only situation where it would annoy me is if a band was using that album title and would perform in a military look and play all fun/shallow commercial songs that have nothing to do with either war or other serious topics. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: April 21 2006 at 08:47
I agree with you there Mike.  ------------- |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: April 21 2006 at 08:49
they shouldn`t have done it 
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: April 21 2006 at 08:50
Is there anything they could do that would make you like them?  ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: April 21 2006 at 08:52
Well that's a well argued rebuttal which draws on verifiable facts to back up its assertions, and which certainly puts the rest of us in our place. ------------- 'Like so many of you I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: April 21 2006 at 08:53
Wow, that sentence rivals Zeuhl! ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: April 21 2006 at 08:54
Done what? One of the problems with the Vietnam War was people tried to bury their head in the sand and pretend like it didn't happen. How do you know that if the new album is about Nam that it is anti-war? And if it is anti-war,it will probably be about how pointless the war was and how the politicians really screwed it up and lost it. I don't think it will be degrading to Vietnam Vets,most of whom(at least the vets I know,and there are many) are extremely bitter and resentful at the way the government handled the war. ------------- |
Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: April 21 2006 at 09:10
AON,
You are quite enitled to your opinion, but there certain aspects of you initial post which I would comment on:
Where you are correct is in the implication that albums should not be reviewed based on leaks (which may or may not be genuine) or on simply being a fan of the band. The reaction to your post to date has been measured and decent. The admin team will however be watching this thread for any unnacceptable behaviour (on either side).
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Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: April 21 2006 at 09:19
You've obviously condemned it without hearing a note. So it begins...  I'm predicting about a month or so of ignorant posts like this. I have asked people repeatedly to please listen carefully before reviewing or saying anything about the album, instead of condemning it out of hand or praising it on principle. STOP THIS MADNESS!!! ------------- http://www.myspace.com/altaic" rel="nofollow - http://www.myspace.com/altaic ALTAIC "Oceans Down You'll Lie" coming soon |
Posted By: Empathy
Date Posted: April 21 2006 at 09:45
And I guarantee the majority of these flaming posts will come from n00bs with less than 20 posts... otherwise known as trolls. ------------- Pure Brilliance: 
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