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    Posted: March 22 2006 at 21:20
I've always wondered why do the British Isles produce so many great Prog bands (and mainstream too). I don't have a clue. Do you??
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Maybe because they sang in English and it's universal so they could reach a lot of people. I'm just saying this to defend to millions of GREAT bands who didn't sing in english and couldn't reach international success 

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alot of american bands sang in english

 

i cant even think of a single american prog band though

so nevermind



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Originally posted by Bern Bern wrote:

Maybe because they sang in English and it's universal so they could reach a lot of people. I'm just saying this to defend to millions of GREAT bands who didn't sing in english and couldn't reach international success 

I don't mean other geographical areas don't produce great Prog, but why most 1st division prog is British??...does the weather plays any special role???....was Prog a way to rebel against something??
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Originally posted by stechell stechell wrote:

Originally posted by Bern Bern wrote:

Maybe because they sang in English and it's universal so they could reach a lot of people. I'm just saying this to defend to millions of GREAT bands who didn't sing in english and couldn't reach international success 

I don't mean other geographical areas don't produce great Prog, but why most 1st division prog is British??...does the weather plays any special role???....was Prog a way to rebel against something??



I knew that

I was just promoting other prog because I really can't answer your question

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Originally posted by stechell stechell wrote:

I've always wondered why do the British Isles produce so many great Prog bands (and mainstream too). I don't have a clue. Do you??

Not really, but it's not just great prog bands. Most of the world's top bands are either British, Irish or American, so perhaps it is a language thing.
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because ..

we have elegance probably :)

and lots of forests.

 

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The best music has always come from Great Britain, prog or otherwise IMO. It's one of the few things we're any good at. I have no idea why we consistently turned out so many world conquering bands.

A sample of Britains Rock premier league...

Genesis
Yes
Pink Floyd
Jethro Tull
King Crimson
Emerson Lake & Palmer
The Moody Blues
Led Zeppelin
Deep Purple
Black Sabbath
The Beatles
The Who
The Stones
Iron Maiden
Judas Priest
Motorhead
Rainbow
U2
Radiohead

In terms of record sales, global recognition and general success, can anyone name a country that has produced more world class acts?
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English are talented to create nice melodies.
I think that's what makes the difference.

If you compare the different prog schools, you'll notice that german and french i.e are far more into the psychedelic/experimental side while english are more symphonic. (At least, i allude to the guenuine french/german bands, not the ones which try to copy the english bands).
And symphonic is the most melodic and accessible genre -and so the most succesful- in prog.
There's also the jazzy side from Canterbury school, which quite accessible (Caravan)
I don't speak about the free side (Wyatt/the end of an ear i.e).


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Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

The best music has always come from Great Britain, prog or otherwise IMO. It's one of the few things we're any good at. I have no idea why we consistently turned out so many world conquering bands.


A sample of Britains Rock premier league...


GenesisYesPink FloydJethro TullKing CrimsonEmerson Lake & PalmerThe Moody BluesLed ZeppelinDeep PurpleBlack SabbathThe BeatlesThe WhoThe StonesIron MaidenJudas PriestMotorheadRainbowU2Radiohead


In terms of record sales, global recognition and general success, can anyone name a country that has produced more world class acts?



Indeed, you are talented for music, but "Iron Maiden Judas Priest Motorhead U2 Radiohead" do not belong to the good ones IMO!
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Originally posted by ¢¾Old¢¾Hen¢¾ ¢¾Old¢¾Hen¢¾ wrote:

because ..

we have elegance probably :)

and lots of forests.

I think we might start a sub-topic on this: If you had a cauldron like those of the druids, what ingredients would conform good Progressive music? We already have elegance and forests... Can you think of others?

 



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I would put magic plants inside the cauldron...
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Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

I would put magic plants inside the cauldron...

 

I think that would be the main ingredient!

I would throw in too

  • history
  • science fiction
  • mithology
  • humor
  • rock
  • cassical music
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...a little mysticism

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Stonehedge :) sherwood forest ..

Um ..

Snobby universities :) and private schools.

:X

 

 

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Originally posted by stechell stechell wrote:

I've always wondered why do the British Isles produce so many great Prog bands (and mainstream too). I don't have a clue. Do you??

It's a PHENOMENON! To try to give a proper answer to that you need to convey deep and thorough scientific researches, taking into account thousands of factors which might have had their influence on this subject.  Otherwise, we can only guess. 

And another thing which is bothering me from time to time: why had Russia been producing the greatest litterature in the world, and not only over certain period of time, but since after the appearance of written language uptill nowadays???
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UK roolz above all

well.. how many bands of rest of the world are considered really good? maybe 20?....30?

well.. how many bands of UK are considered really good? 200...300?
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Why was Great Britain the largest empire ever?
My music!

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Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

The best music has always come from Great Britain, prog or otherwise IMO. It's one of the few things we're any good at. I have no idea why we consistently turned out so many world conquering bands.


A sample of Britains Rock premier league...


GenesisYesPink FloydJethro TullKing CrimsonEmerson Lake & PalmerThe Moody BluesLed ZeppelinDeep PurpleBlack SabbathThe BeatlesThe WhoThe StonesIron MaidenJudas PriestMotorheadRainbowU2Radiohead


In terms of record sales, global recognition and general success, can anyone name a country that has produced more world class acts?



Indeed, you are talented for music, but "Iron Maiden Judas Priest Motorhead U2 Radiohead" do not belong to the good ones IMO!

I agree. I was going more for quantity rather than quality with regard to these bands. They are all multi-platinum selling rock bands, who have been going for 10 years plus.. That was really my loose criteria..

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