Incorrectly classified: ULVER.

[Begin Rant] In the archives, Ulver are classified 'Progressive Metal'. This is the least accurate definition one could come up with. Although they released two rather unpleasant and unlistenable albums for the usual progger, everything else in their catalogue is not Metal, although much much more Progressive.

Now let's look at it this way: the band has released 12 albums up to this point. Bergtatt was Metal, and rather Progressive for its time. Kveldssanger was an album Ulver would never attempt to repeat in any way, and that can't be compared to any band's release before them. It has no Metal whatsoever. Nattens Madrigal, in my opinion not progressive, although undeniable Metal, was the last band's effort that could be described as 'Progressive Metal'. Everything after it, again, in my point of view, was of greater value and quality, but hardly Metal, although I could call some parts of Marriage Of Heaven And Hell rocking. So, why was the name 'Progmetal' decided for the band? Just because they started as a Metal group, but progressed? That doesn't make much sense.

If you ask me, Progressive Electronic or maybe Experimental would be better suitable for Ulver, knowing that the band's post-NM releases were done in those styles. Is there any change things would change?[/End Rant]

Feel free to comment on this, as well as tell what else, in your opinion, has been classified incorrectly.

While we're at it, I also think Kayo Dot should be moved to Avant-Garde and Agalloch should have been placed in Folk Prog.

 -- Ivan

Well, Kayo Dot definitely are not related to Rock In Opposition, which, for some reason, is combined with Avant-Garde. But they definitely aren't Progressive Metal, although elements of it are present in both of their albums.

Speaking about Ulver, there should be no thought of Progressive Metal. I mean, to be Progressive Metal, you must record an album in such style, am I right? Ulver has done two Metal albums, with questionable Progressiveness. They have 10 other albums left, none of which are Metal, but surely Progressive, varying from electronic, whether that means ambient or techno stuff(I could be wrong, but I'm not really a guru on Electronic music, sorry), but most of it, if not all, is Experimental. So, basically, to sum it all up, they are anything but Progmetal, get it now?

 

 -- Ivan

I fully agree... I've been pushing to get Ulver moved for quite some time, but to no avail thus far.

Kayo Dot and Agalloch should stay where they are... I can see the Kayo Dot argument, but they're commonly regarded as a metal band and while avant-garde would work too, it's by no means an urgent matter.  Agalloch have strong elements of folk, but are far too heavy and doomlike to be listed alongside The Strawbs, Horslips and Blackmore's Night.

ivansfr0st wrote: Bands and Albums Suggest and classify bands and albums you would like included on Prog Archives This thread has been incorrectly moved. ;)  -- Ivan

I don't think it was moved Ivan, it is now.

Pseud0 wrote: completely agree (besides for my opinion that bergtatt/nattens madrigal are absolutely essential)... i asked this a while ago, but no one answered me.  Also ADD THE REST OF THEIR RECORDINGS

You can also add the albums ... any help is appreciated!

Non-collaborators are allowed to submit albums? I didn't know that. Well, that's definitely good news.

 

Easy Livin wrote: ivansfr0st wrote: Bands and Albums Suggest and classify bands and albums you would like included on Prog Archives This thread has been incorrectly moved. ;)  -- Ivan I don't think it was moved Ivan, it is now.

Well, it was moved when I made that post. This thread also doesn't belong here, as it is the forum for discussing bands and albums that somebody would like added in the archives. Ulver are already in the archives, so this thread would be better of in the General sub-forum. It's ironic that it happened in my thread, about incorrect decisions.

I think both Progressive Electronic and Experimental/Post-Rock categories would work for Ulver. But not Progressive Metal.

 -- Ivan

Do classifications ever change? I mean, is it even possible?

I just feel that, looking at this thread, that my opinion is true, and all there's left is to make a petition or contact someone or something.

I added 3 more Ulver releases. I couldn't find the list of the musicians played on two albums though, I've searched using all the websites and search engines on the internet I know of. Maybe the information is written on the CDs? If anyone has L. Themes and Metamorphosis, can he please supply with the right information regarding who did what in these albums?

 -- Ivan

From Allmusic.com the following information for L. Themes credits:

Ingar Hunskaar	Mastering
Rune Mortensen	Design
Ulver	Composer

 

Not much information but hope that this bit helps.