Incorrectly classified: ULVER.
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Topic: Incorrectly classified: ULVER.
Posted By: Trickster F.
Subject: Incorrectly classified: ULVER.
Date Posted: February 25 2006 at 14:37
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[Begin Rant] In the archives, Ulver are classified 'Progressive Metal'. This is the least accurate definition one could come up with. Although they released two rather unpleasant and unlistenable albums for the usual progger, everything else in their catalogue is not Metal, although much much more Progressive. Now let's look at it this way: the band has released 12 albums up to this point. Bergtatt was Metal, and rather Progressive for its time. Kveldssanger was an album Ulver would never attempt to repeat in any way, and that can't be compared to any band's release before them. It has no Metal whatsoever. Nattens Madrigal, in my opinion not progressive, although undeniable Metal, was the last band's effort that could be described as 'Progressive Metal'. Everything after it, again, in my point of view, was of greater value and quality, but hardly Metal, although I could call some parts of Marriage Of Heaven And Hell rocking. So, why was the name 'Progmetal' decided for the band? Just because they started as a Metal group, but progressed? That doesn't make much sense. If you ask me, Progressive Electronic or maybe Experimental would be better suitable for Ulver, knowing that the band's post-NM releases were done in those styles. Is there any change things would change?[/End Rant] Feel free to comment on this, as well as tell what else, in your opinion, has been classified incorrectly. While we're at it, I also think Kayo Dot should be moved to Avant-Garde and Agalloch should have been placed in Folk Prog. -- Ivan |
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: February 25 2006 at 14:42
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Kayo Dot are not exactly Avant-Prog (as the genre is defined in the archives) - more like Experimental. Agalloch are commonly referred to as a metal band ... About Ulver: There is no suitable genre for them here. Wherever you put them, people will always resist. As long as the genre determination is made on the album level, we won't have a perfect solution to these problems. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to: 
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Posted By: Trickster F.
Date Posted: February 25 2006 at 14:50
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Well, Kayo Dot definitely are not related to Rock In Opposition, which, for some reason, is combined with Avant-Garde. But they definitely aren't Progressive Metal, although elements of it are present in both of their albums. Speaking about Ulver, there should be no thought of Progressive Metal. I mean, to be Progressive Metal, you must record an album in such style, am I right? Ulver has done two Metal albums, with questionable Progressiveness. They have 10 other albums left, none of which are Metal, but surely Progressive, varying from electronic, whether that means ambient or techno stuff(I could be wrong, but I'm not really a guru on Electronic music, sorry), but most of it, if not all, is Experimental. So, basically, to sum it all up, they are anything but Progmetal, get it now?
-- Ivan |
Posted By: Trickster F.
Date Posted: February 25 2006 at 15:04
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http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_topics.asp?FID=1 - Bands and Albums This thread has been incorrectly moved. ;) -- Ivan |
Posted By: Bryan
Date Posted: February 25 2006 at 15:26
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I fully agree... I've been pushing to get Ulver moved for quite some time, but to no avail thus far. Kayo Dot and Agalloch should stay where they are... I can see the Kayo Dot argument, but they're commonly regarded as a metal band and while avant-garde would work too, it's by no means an urgent matter. Agalloch have strong elements of folk, but are far too heavy and doomlike to be listed alongside The Strawbs, Horslips and Blackmore's Night. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: February 25 2006 at 15:33
I think that it would be best to move Ulver to Experimental/Post-Rock (since we don't have a Post Metal genre). ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: February 25 2006 at 17:02
I don't think it was moved Ivan, it is now. |
ivansfr0st wrote:
Posted By: Pseud0
Date Posted: February 25 2006 at 17:29
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completely agree (besides for my opinion that bergtatt/nattens madrigal
are absolutely essential)... i asked this a while ago, but no one
answered me. Also ADD THE REST OF THEIR RECORDINGS |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: February 25 2006 at 18:26
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You can also add the albums ... any help is appreciated! ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Pseud0
Date Posted: February 25 2006 at 18:33
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ok i added the demo 'vargnatt' so far, il add the rest in a little |
Posted By: Trickster F.
Date Posted: February 26 2006 at 03:53
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Non-collaborators are allowed to submit albums? I didn't know that. Well, that's definitely good news.
Well, it was moved when I made that post. This thread also doesn't belong here, as it is the forum for discussing bands and albums that somebody would like added in the archives. Ulver are already in the archives, so this thread would be better of in the General sub-forum. It's ironic that it happened in my thread, about incorrect decisions. I think both Progressive Electronic and Experimental/Post-Rock categories would work for Ulver. But not Progressive Metal. -- Ivan |
Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: February 26 2006 at 11:18
| I agree Ivan, this is a discussion about the music of Ulver, a band listed in the archives. I have moved it out of "Bands and Albums" again. |
Posted By: Trickster F.
Date Posted: February 26 2006 at 15:51
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Do classifications ever change? I mean, is it even possible? I just feel that, looking at this thread, that my opinion is true, and all there's left is to make a petition or contact someone or something. I added 3 more Ulver releases. I couldn't find the list of the musicians played on two albums though, I've searched using all the websites and search engines on the internet I know of. Maybe the information is written on the CDs? If anyone has L. Themes and Metamorphosis, can he please supply with the right information regarding who did what in these albums? -- Ivan |
Posted By: Pseud0
Date Posted: February 26 2006 at 18:59
| i dont think the musicians are listed in L. Themes booket... but im quite certain that its just Kristoffer Rygg/Tore Ylwizaker playing piano/synths/programming |
Posted By: valravennz
Date Posted: February 26 2006 at 19:22
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From Allmusic.com the following information for L. Themes credits:
Not much information but hope that this bit helps. ------------- 
"Music is the Wine that fills the cup of Silence" - Robert Fripp |
