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    Posted: February 25 2006 at 04:26
Italian Symphonic Prog - the most original and unique music I ever heard .I adore it

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... you can always hear a bit of Gentle Giant in PFM,a bit of ELP in Banco and A GREAT DEAL of Genesis in Locanda delle Fate

But my vote goes to Crimson - IMHO,EVERY ItalProg band was influenced by their music
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From all those many, many Italian bands  I have heard, in my opinion ELP is the most pivotal band, perhaps Andrea C. will agree and I am sure Andrew will deliver another impressive and extensive list of bands .. ..!
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Originally posted by erik neuteboom erik neuteboom wrote:

From all those many, many Italian bands  I have heard, in my opinion ELP is the most pivotal band, perhaps Andrea C. will agree and I am sure Andrew will deliver another impressive and extensive list of bands .. ..!


Hi Erik!
BTW Le Orme is much better to my ears than ELP.I found "L'Infinito" absolutely astonishing work
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Hello Prog-jester!

Le Orme has more passion, emotion, etc. in one song that ELP in their entire work but ELP sounds so techincally impressive, every time I hear those magnificent Moogs and Hammonds I got so exicited!

By the way, Le Orme is my favorite Italian band, Felone E Sorona, Uomo Di Pezza, Contrapuntti and Collage are top notch Italian progrock albums!
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Yeah, "felona e sorona" is my fav.

I think italian prog has been mostly influenced by KC, hence the big mellotron "layers" (i can't find the right word).

This KC influence is blended with italian baroque style and sometimes quiet acoustic/pastoral mood (such as in "Celeste" for example.)





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I think that ELP is quite influential as well. Many Italian bands have an ear for complex, dissonant song structures, and I get the impression that there were a lot of ELP records being put on Italian turntables.

I hear ELP influences in Le Orme, Il Paese Dei Balocchi, Banco, PFM, I Giganti...

By the way, Van der Graaf was the most popular prog band in Italy in the early seventies. In what way were they influential. The passion? There's a lot of passion in Italian prog, but that can maybe be retraced to Italian opera. There are so many good Italian singers. I have the idea that they were all heavily drenched in Verdi, Puccini etc. when they were kids.
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Nursery Cryme and Foxtrot were the most influential albums on Italian prog in my opinion, so I vote Genesis.
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Originally posted by erik neuteboom erik neuteboom wrote:

From all those many, many Italian bands  I have heard, in my opinion ELP is the most pivotal band, perhaps Andrea C. will agree and I am sure Andrew will deliver another impressive and extensive list of bands .. ..!

I agree with you Erik on ELP's strongest influence.

Also KC seem to have influenced a lot.
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Points: 46838 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 25 2006 at 07:54
Originally posted by Andrea Cortese Andrea Cortese wrote:

Originally posted by erik neuteboom erik neuteboom wrote:

From all those many, many Italian bands  I have heard, in my opinion ELP is the most pivotal band, perhaps Andrea C. will agree and I am sure Andrew will deliver another impressive and extensive list of bands .. ..!

I agree with you Erik on ELP's strongest influence.

Also KC seem to have influenced a lot.



and agree with you Andrea that ELP and King Crimson,  from everything I read and heard,  were the two biggest influences on Italian prog... though at this point I'm more the fanboy/cheerleader than an expert on it hahahhaha.
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ELP:

  • LE ORME
  • BANCO
  • METAMORFOSI
  • CAPSICUM RED
  • CHERRY FIVE
  • TRIP
  • L' UOVO DI COLOMBO
  • RUSTICHELLI & BORDINI
  • ALPHATAURUS

But even JETHRO TULL influenced many Italian prog bands ( OSANNA, QVL, UNO, CERVELLO, etc...), and GENESIS (ACQUA FRAGILE,etc...).
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Points: 46838 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 25 2006 at 16:09
Originally posted by ANDREW ANDREW wrote:

ELP:

  • LE ORME
  • BANCO
  • METAMORFOSI
  • CAPSICUM RED
  • CHERRY FIVE
  • TRIP
  • L' UOVO DI COLOMBO
  • RUSTICHELLI & BORDINI
  • ALPHATAURUS

But even JETHRO TULL influenced many Italian prog bands ( OSANNA, QVL, UNO, CERVELLO, etc...), and GENESIS (ACQUA FRAGILE,etc...).



agreed... I thought the options were pretty good, the lack of Yes as an option showed an understanding that  Yes really didn't have much impact in Italy, which is undertandable I guess since, if I remember correctly,  they only toured Italy once in the 70's... and that was in early '71 ( two stops, shows in Milan and Rome)  before they really hit the big time.
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Originally posted by erik neuteboom erik neuteboom wrote:

From all those many, many Italian bands  I have heard, in my opinion ELP is the most pivotal band, perhaps Andrea C. will agree and I am sure Andrew will deliver another impressive and extensive list of bands .. ..!

Sorry Erik, I didn't read your post. You already said what I said about ELP being the biggest influence. I should read better what other people say before I state my own opinion

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No problem, Moogtron III  ..

I have always wondered about the popularity and influence from VDGG, I am not up to their music but they were an acclaimed band in Italy!
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Points: 4411 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 25 2006 at 19:38
Originally posted by ANDREW ANDREW wrote:

ELP:

  • LE ORME
  • BANCO
  • METAMORFOSI
  • CAPSICUM RED
  • CHERRY FIVE
  • TRIP
  • L' UOVO DI COLOMBO
  • RUSTICHELLI & BORDINI
  • ALPHATAURUS

But even JETHRO TULL influenced many Italian prog bands ( OSANNA, QVL, UNO, CERVELLO, etc...), and GENESIS (ACQUA FRAGILE,etc...).

In my opinion Cherry Five are more influenced by Yes than by ELP.
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Points: 46838 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 25 2006 at 19:46
Originally posted by Andrea Cortese Andrea Cortese wrote:

Originally posted by ANDREW ANDREW wrote:

ELP:

  • LE ORME
  • BANCO
  • METAMORFOSI
  • CAPSICUM RED
  • CHERRY FIVE
  • TRIP
  • L' UOVO DI COLOMBO
  • RUSTICHELLI & BORDINI
  • ALPHATAURUS

But even JETHRO TULL influenced many Italian prog bands ( OSANNA, QVL, UNO, CERVELLO, etc...), and GENESIS (ACQUA FRAGILE,etc...).

In my opinion Cherry Five are more influenced by Yes than by ELP.



ahhh.... I thought so too... but sort of reticent to correct people whose knowledge dwarfs my own hahahahhah.  It was one reason I got it, was to hear the Yes influence and that Rickenbacker bass.....
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Points: 3064 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 26 2006 at 08:00
Originally posted by Andrea Cortese Andrea Cortese wrote:

Originally posted by ANDREW ANDREW wrote:

ELP:

  • LE ORME
  • BANCO
  • METAMORFOSI
  • CAPSICUM RED
  • CHERRY FIVE
  • TRIP
  • L' UOVO DI COLOMBO
  • RUSTICHELLI & BORDINI
  • ALPHATAURUS

But even JETHRO TULL influenced many Italian prog bands ( OSANNA, QVL, UNO, CERVELLO, etc...), and GENESIS (ACQUA FRAGILE,etc...).

In my opinion Cherry Five are more influenced by Yes than by ELP.

Yes, but even ELP and THE NICE (thanks to fine keyboards passages played by Claudio Simonetti).
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Originally posted by TheLamb TheLamb wrote:

Nursery Cryme and Foxtrot were the most influential albums on Italian prog in my opinion, so I vote Genesis.

Nursery crime (1971) Foxtrot (1972)....le Orme started in 1969....there's something wrong!

I don't think there'a a direct influence but it was a global scenary where it's impossible to define a dirct and exclusive influence!  ...anyway King Crimson had been one of the first prog examples...even if after Moody Blues and Beatles and The Nice and many many others...
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