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    Posted: February 11 2006 at 07:49

I love this period from Genesis. I got Duke a little while back and thought it was great, couple of uninteresting tracks but a solid, enjoyable album. Up to that point I thought it would be the greatest Genesis album after Hackett left, then I heard And Then There Were Three, and I have to say, I think this one is actually a little better!

I know there is a good chance I will be castrated for starting a thread like this, but I think those two albums deserve a lot of credit. I love the fact that they seem like such a hardworking band, Collins handles drums and Vocals excellently (The drums on Duke are amazing!) Rutherford handles bass and shows that he is a capable guitarist (but we already knew that, right?) and Banks gives us some excellent Keyboard passages, and from what it looks like, writes the more 'Progressive' tracks on the albums.

So is there anyone brave enough to admit that they like em too?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 11 2006 at 08:06
The self titled Genesis album from ...what was it '83 or so, has always been a favorite of mine, and my  only post prog Genesis album to survive years of change in musical tastes and styles.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 11 2006 at 08:10

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

The self titled Genesis album from ...what was it '83 or so, has always been a favorite of mine, and my  only post prog Genesis album to survive years of change in musical tastes and styles.

Interesting because yestersay I head both parts of Home by the Sea and thought, wow, that was good, but the drum sound was, oh god!! NO!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 11 2006 at 08:17
Originally posted by Winter Wine Winter Wine wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

The self titled Genesis album from ...what was it '83 or so, has always been a favorite of mine, and my  only post prog Genesis album to survive years of change in musical tastes and styles.

Interesting because yestersay I head both parts of Home by the Sea and thought, wow, that was good, but the drum sound was, oh god!! NO!




hahahah... the main riff and Banks's keys are what suck me in on that one.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 11 2006 at 08:25
Originally posted by Winter Wine Winter Wine wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

The self titled Genesis album from ...what was it '83 or so, has always been a favorite of mine, and my  only post prog Genesis album to survive years of change in musical tastes and styles.

Interesting because yestersay I head both parts of Home by the Sea and thought, wow, that was good, but the drum sound was, oh god!! NO!

Still probably one of their best efforst post-Gabriel (Trick of The Tail takes that honour). I also like "Abacab" and "Duke". I am not ashamed to admit to that. Genesis evolved into a different direction more commercial but that was when I first started to take notice of them. Their earlier recordings have only started to grow on me in recent times and if it were not for some outstanding moments in "Genesis" such as "Home by the Sea" - I probably would have largely ignored their existence.
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 11 2006 at 09:09
This only great album produced within this period is Duke. ...and then there were three... is a failed project and a weak result IMO.Overall,the fall of Genesis continues its slowly root...1978-1980 is still a decent period,but a dying one concerning Genesis.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 11 2006 at 09:37

Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

This only great album produced within this period is Duke. ...and then there were three... is a failed project and a weak result IMO.Overall,the fall of Genesis continues its slowly root...1978-1980 is still a decent period,but a dying one concerning Genesis.

To be honest Ricochet I cannot see how ..And Then There Were three is a weak album. The album has many excellent songs -

  • Down and Out
  • Ballad of Big
  • Burning Rope
  • Deep in the Motherlode
  • Scenes from a Nights Dream
  • The Lady Lies

Even the ballad type track Snowbound is quite good.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 11 2006 at 09:41
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 11 2006 at 09:47
Techniccally this thread should be moved into the non-prog music section. Because Genesis ceased to be prog after 78, wheater you enjoy the music or not...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 11 2006 at 09:51
Originally posted by BePinkTheater BePinkTheater wrote:

Techniccally this thread should be moved into the non-prog music section. Because Genesis ceased to be prog after 78, wheater you enjoy the music or not...


I'm sorry,but that's totally not true...Genesis,as a band and creation,is prog...the fact that this period's soft and mellow,and not powerfull prog is of no importance...everything concerning Genesis music...belongs here.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 11 2006 at 09:55

Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

Originally posted by BePinkTheater BePinkTheater wrote:

Techniccally this thread should be moved into the non-prog music section. Because Genesis ceased to be prog after 78, wheater you enjoy the music or not...


I'm sorry,but that's totally not true...Genesis,as a band and creation,is prog...the fact that this period's soft and mellow,and not powerfull prog is of no importance...everything concerning Genesis music...belongs here.
 

Well said Ricochet!

 

 

 

 

*Whispers* And Then There Were Three is a great album! mwhahaha *High pitched laughter*

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 11 2006 at 10:03

No matter how much you like them in t his period you can't call stuff like Invisible touch, we can't dance, or Calling all stations prog.

 

It good pop rock music, but not prog at all.

I can strangle a canary in a tin can and it would be really original, but that wouldn't save it from sounding like utter sh*t.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 11 2006 at 10:06
Originally posted by BePinkTheater BePinkTheater wrote:

No matter how much you like them in t his period you can't call stuff like Invisible touch, we can't dance, or Calling all stations prog.


are these included in the 1978-1980 period?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 11 2006 at 10:07
Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:




hahahhahahha.... I do love emoticons...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 11 2006 at 10:09
Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

Originally posted by BePinkTheater BePinkTheater wrote:

No matter how much you like them in t his period you can't call stuff like Invisible touch, we can't dance, or Calling all stations prog.


are these included in the 1978-1980 period?

 

Well damn, you've thwarted me...

 

I'll go and kill myself,a nd never return here again.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 11 2006 at 10:11
Originally posted by BePinkTheater BePinkTheater wrote:

Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

Originally posted by BePinkTheater BePinkTheater wrote:

No matter how much you like them in t his period you can't call stuff like Invisible touch, we can't dance, or Calling all stations prog.


are these included in the 1978-1980 period?

 

Well damn, you've thwarted me...

 

I'll go and kill myself,a nd never return here again.



well...





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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 11 2006 at 12:59

Good thread. For me there's no problem to admit. I've said it before and I will say it again: I really like And Then There Were Three and Duke ! Two high quality albums, high on emotion.

And Then There Were Three  is my favourite album after Selling England By The Pound. Duke hads lots of good tracks too, and also lots of innovating ideas.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 11 2006 at 13:13
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

The self titled Genesis album from ...what was it '83 or so, has always been a favorite of mine, and my  only post prog Genesis album to survive years of change in musical tastes and styles.


I totally agree with that. And I'm not ashamed to admit I kinda like a lot of post-Gabriel stuff from Genesis. Maybe it's not as proggy, but it is good pop-rock. It may not be as enjoyable as their prog masterpieces but it's great IMO.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 11 2006 at 13:16
Duke is a five star album, I have not heard ATTWT much, but I cannot say it is really a bad album, really good tracks there. I have always loved Phil Collins' Genesis, first album was We Can't Dance and I still consider it as a five star album!! 
Anyway, Behind The Lines and Duchess might be the most beautiful beginning of any album, ever.
I mean how cannot you like them? The music is wonderful, Collins voice have gotten much better since the last album and there is MANY strong songs in Duke. I couldn't care less if the music is prog or not. Music is music, good or bad! zik
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 11 2006 at 13:16
Words Of Wisdom: If There Ain't No PETER GABRIEL There Ain't NO GENESIS!!!!!!!
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