I love this period from Genesis. I got Duke a little while back and thought it was great, couple of uninteresting tracks but a solid, enjoyable album. Up to that point I thought it would be the greatest Genesis album after Hackett left, then I heard And Then There Were Three, and I have to say, I think this one is actually a little better!

I know there is a good chance I will be castrated for starting a thread like this, but I think those two albums deserve a lot of credit. I love the fact that they seem like such a hardworking band, Collins handles drums and Vocals excellently (The drums on Duke are amazing!) Rutherford handles bass and shows that he is a capable guitarist (but we already knew that, right?) and Banks gives us some excellent Keyboard passages, and from what it looks like, writes the more 'Progressive' tracks on the albums.

So is there anyone brave enough to admit that they like em too?

micky wrote: The self titled Genesis album from ...what was it '83 or so, has always been a favorite of mine, and my  only post prog Genesis album to survive years of change in musical tastes and styles.

Interesting because yestersay I head both parts of Home by the Sea and thought, wow, that was good, but the drum sound was, oh god!! NO!

Winter Wine wrote: micky wrote: The self titled Genesis album from ...what was it '83 or so, has always been a favorite of mine, and my  only post prog Genesis album to survive years of change in musical tastes and styles. Interesting because yestersay I head both parts of Home by the Sea and thought, wow, that was good, but the drum sound was, oh god!! NO!

Still probably one of their best efforst post-Gabriel (Trick of The Tail takes that honour). I also like "Abacab" and "Duke". I am not ashamed to admit to that. Genesis evolved into a different direction more commercial but that was when I first started to take notice of them. Their earlier recordings have only started to grow on me in recent times and if it were not for some outstanding moments in "Genesis" such as "Home by the Sea" - I probably would have largely ignored their existence.
 

Ricochet wrote: This only great album produced within this period is Duke. ...and then there were three... is a failed project and a weak result IMO.Overall,the fall of Genesis continues its slowly root...1978-1980 is still a decent period,but a dying one concerning Genesis.

To be honest Ricochet I cannot see how ..And Then There Were three is a weak album. The album has many excellent songs -

• Down and Out
• Ballad of Big
• Burning Rope
• Deep in the Motherlode
• Scenes from a Nights Dream
• The Lady Lies

Even the ballad type track Snowbound is quite good.

Ricochet wrote: BePinkTheater wrote: Techniccally this thread should be moved into the non-prog music section. Because Genesis ceased to be prog after 78, wheater you enjoy the music or not... I'm sorry,but that's totally not true...Genesis,as a band and creation,is prog...the fact that this period's soft and mellow,and not powerfull prog is of no importance...everything concerning Genesis music...belongs here.

Well said Ricochet!

*Whispers* And Then There Were Three is a great album! mwhahaha *High pitched laughter*

No matter how much you like them in t his period you can't call stuff like Invisible touch, we can't dance, or Calling all stations prog.

It good pop rock music, but not prog at all.

BePinkTheater wrote: No matter how much you like them in t his period you can't call stuff like Invisible touch, we can't dance, or Calling all stations prog.

are these included in the 1978-1980 period?

Ricochet wrote: BePinkTheater wrote: No matter how much you like them in t his period you can't call stuff like Invisible touch, we can't dance, or Calling all stations prog. are these included in the 1978-1980 period?

Well damn, you've thwarted me...

I'll go and kill myself,a nd never return here again.

Good thread. For me there's no problem to admit. I've said it before and I will say it again: I really like And Then There Were Three and Duke ! Two high quality albums, high on emotion.

And Then There Were Three  is my favourite album after Selling England By The Pound. Duke hads lots of good tracks too, and also lots of innovating ideas.

jcleary wrote: Words Of Wisdom: If There Ain't No PETER GABRIEL There Ain't NO GENESIS!!!!!!!

Words of ARROGANCE, not wisdom

BePinkTheater wrote: No matter how much you like them in t his period you can't call stuff like Invisible touch, we can't dance, or Calling all stations prog.   It good pop rock music, but not prog at all.

I can.....you've got Fading Lights, Domino and Home By the Sea from "Genesis".

jcleary wrote: No one is saying that "A Trick of the Tail" isn't a good album. But experiencing Genesis Live was a life changing experience! I was extremely fortunate to have seen Genesis 3 times in 1972, and the mind boggling performance at Reading in the summer of 1973. I had tried in vain to describe the aura and feeling of Genesis in concert to my friends, but was unable to do them justice. My friends got their chance in December 1973 when Genesis came to the Roxy in Hollywood. Small club absolutely packed with Genesis fanatics that had all been waiting years to see them live. Everyone on their feet screaming at the top of their lungs as the curtain raised to the mellotron strains of "Watchers Of The Skies" Peoples minds were blown as there was Peter standing perfectly still knee deep in dry ice fog wearing a full length rainbow cape and bat wings! After the concert I ran into a friend outside who was visibly shaken. His voice trembling, all he could say was "I can die in peace now, I've seen God." NOW compare that to Phil telling corny jokes and running around in a Hockey T-Shirt. I repeat "If there ain't NO PETER GABRIEL there ain't NO GENESIS"!!!!!!!

Does this mean all us young pups born after 1975 can't ever know Genesis? 

Not sure I'm ready to admit that yet.  It's in the music, not just the performance, though let's not get into what I would give to have been born (and old enough for concerts) back then. 

But my point-if 1978-1980 Genesis isn't Genesis, it has nothing to do with Peter Gabriel, no man is the band.

Nixoleon wrote: Does this mean all us young pups born after 1975 can't ever know Genesis?  Not sure I'm ready to admit that yet.  It's in the music, not just the performance, though let's not get into what I would give to have been born (and old enough for concerts) back then.  But my point-if 1978-1980 Genesis isn't Genesis, it has nothing to do with Peter Gabriel, no man is the band.

It's everything Nixoleon, the music, the bandwork, Peter's abilitty to transmit strong feelings and the shows. When Peter left, Genesis lost much more than just a frontman, the band lost the best lyricist and the personality.

Genesis with Collins and Hackett was very good, but not near the status of masterpiece IMO, but when Hackett left it was over, the band I knew and loved disbanded and I can't care less for any later release.

I honestly wish they would had changed the name of stop releasing albums forever.

If Genesis rejoins with Gabriel and Hackett I would go anywhere they play, if they rejoin without Peter but with Steve, I would go only if I was in the country where they play, but if the 3 men band rejoins I would travel anywhere far enough from the country (better if continent) where they play.

I only saw the Invisible Touch Tour in person and it was a torture (I was 10  when Peter Gabriel left  Genesis so I never had the chance to see the fab 5), but thanks God there are many pretty decent DVDR's with good Gabriel Genesis concerts.

And I heard that there are chances to see an official Gabriel Genesis DVD before 2007, hope it's true.

Iván

micky wrote: I for one would love to see that DVD, having seen some Gabriel era Genesis performances from T.V. shows.  Any details/rumours  Ivan on that official release... I know there is that multiple DVD set of Gabriel era Genesis performances floating out there in internet land.  I bid on the set on Ebay and dropped out when the price went over $350

There's an official video called "Genesis in Concert" that has a pretty good quality, with costumes and stories a friend gave a DVD copy of it, with Watcher of the Skies, Dancing with the Moonlit Knight, The Musical Box, I Know What I like and Supper's Ready.

It has to be official because it's credited by Tony Stratton Smith who owned the Genesis rights back in 1973. If you can find it get it, because is excellent.

Iván

Great thread

• ATTWT (***1/2) - Lady Lies, Down and Out, Snowbound, Undertow - great songs
• DUKE (****) - Excellent album! Duke Suite, Heathaze, Cul-de-Sac, Man of Our Times!  Prog rock at its most exciting.

I actually like Collins era Genesis, specifically 76-80, more than the Gabriel era. 

I don't undestand how people can trash this period of Genesis, I love ATTWT and Duke, both great, solid albums...

wonderful tours too!

jcleary wrote: Words Of Wisdom: If There Ain't No PETER GABRIEL There Ain't NO GENESIS!!!!!!!

Quite an arrogant statement. If it were not for Phil Collins and the later reincarnation of Genesis, I would not be appreciating now both Gabriel and Post-Gabriel Genesis. Peter Gabriel was not the only member of Genesis.

transend wrote: I don't undestand how people can trash this period of Genesis, I love ATTWT and Duke, both great, solid albums...

Because there's something called taste, it's personal and unique in each of us.

Iván

valravennz wrote: jcleary wrote: Words Of Wisdom: If There Ain't No PETER GABRIEL There Ain't NO GENESIS!!!!!!! Quite an arrogant statement. If it were not for Phil Collins and the later reincarnation of Genesis, I would not be appreciating now both Gabriel and Post-Gabriel Genesis. Peter Gabriel was not the only member of Genesis.

Not arrogant, honest.

If it were not for Phil Collins and the later reincarnation of Genesis a lot of people who hates Genesis because they consider  it a third class adult POP band would be listening early Gabriel music.

You can't imagine how many persons have asked me how can I listen that soft POP called Genesis and refuse to listen Gabriel era.

Iván

Kid-A wrote: Tony Banks is the genious behind Genesis, not Gabriel IMO, can you imagine Genesis with any other keyboard player?

Genesis changed from Prog to mediocre POP after Gabriel and Hackett left, but Banks was in both eras.

So IMO Banks was a great songwritter and keyboardist, but needed somebody to push him towards something (That's why his solo career is so weak, he never decided what to play alone). Gabriel and/or Hackett pushed him towards Prog, Collins pushed him towards POP.

Genesis without Gabriel and Hackett turned to POP, while Peter kept Prog related and Steve 100% Prog' and both with excellent quality music.

Iván

This song is called consequence

• Progger wrote: GENESIS'S BEST TWO CAREER ALBUMS WERE MADE WITHOUT gABRIEL, IE, WIND AND WUTHERING AND TRICK OF THE TALE!

• Progger wrote: GENESIS FOXTROT WIND AND WUTHERING TRICK OF THE TALE Topic: The Masterpieces from the ’Big 5’

So....Is Foxtrot a post Gabriel album????? In that case why dou you rank it as the best Genesis album in your opinion and call it a masterpiece???

But then Progger dares to say:

Why those albums is in the top 20 of this chart is beyond me! Those stupid cult Genesis fans havn't got any taste!

Tresspass is not a top 20, Nursery Cryme is a top 20 because people who reviewed it voted like this.

A question stays floating WHO'S THE STUPID?

The guy that has a defined taste and knows what he likes or the MORON that doesn't remembers what he writes????

Iván

BTW: Being that Trespass is not a top 20, is counting and reading is also a problem for you?

  Genesis had the strangest career of any band I know. When they made fantastic records like Foxtrot and Nursey Cryme they were unknown and broke. When they went mediocre with ATTW3 and Duke they started going to number 1 . And when they made utter crap like invisble touch with Phil Collins trying to convey emotion by screaming through every track except the Brazilian ( which thank God was an instrumental ) they sold out Wembley 4 nights in a row. I'd give you all of my dreams if you'd help me ......

Winter Wine wrote: Ricochet wrote: This only great album produced within this period is Duke. ...and then there were three... is a failed project and a weak result IMO.Overall,the fall of Genesis continues its slowly root...1978-1980 is still a decent period,but a dying one concerning Genesis. To be honest Ricochet I cannot see how ..And Then There Were three is a weak album. The album has many excellent songs - Down and Out Ballad of Big Burning Rope Deep in the Motherlode Scenes from a Nights Dream The Lady Lies Even the ballad type track Snowbound is quite good.

Winter Wine, I agree with you about 'ATTWT' It's an excellent album IMO. I would have swapped Ballad of Big with Undertow for my 'best of' list, though..

I like this period in the bands career. ATTWT was a very strong album, melodically and they proved once again they were strong enough and creative enough to cope with the loss of another key member. Just a 'Trick of the Tail' had been a complete triumph, ATTWT also succeeded - although I do prefer ATOTT..

'Duke' is another great album IMO. It's still prog in places, although you can hear the Genesis bus swerving into the 'middle of the road' at great speed on some tracks; Misunderstanding, Alone tonight and Please dont ask, stand out as weak tracks IMO. They were a tight and powerful band at this time, and were still writing many songs as individuals, which I always thought was a good approach. By the time they recorded ABACAB, they were back to writing most material together. Songs were coming out of jam sessions, and mucking around in the studio. The result in the case of ABACAB is an album which sounds like a collection of rough drafts, many of which would have been binned before the band set about recording their next album. I never liked ABACAB, but the formula worked commercially, and the album sold by the lorry load. Some people have no taste..

PhilCollinisGod wrote:     Genesis had the strangest career of any band I know. When they made fantastic records like Foxtrot and Nursey Cryme they were unknown and broke. When they went mediocre with ATTW3 and Duke they started going to number 1 . And when they made utter crap like invisble touch with Phil Collins trying to convey emotion by screaming through every track except the Brazilian ( which thank God was an instrumental ) they sold out Wembley 4 nights in a row. I'd give you all of my dreams if you'd help me ......

Us prog fans are not wired up like 'normal people'...

People like love songs; happy love songs, sad love songs, because relationships and the pursuit of love is central to their existence and purpose, to the point where there is little room for anything else. So when an album like Invisible Touch contains no less than 5 love songs (if you include part 1 of Domino) then it's bound to sell like hot cakes, especially when one of them is connected to a big film of the day (Mona Lisa)

People are not interested in the first hermaphrodite on the earth, they are not interested in epic struggles between good and evil in rock music. It's seen as pompous, irrelevant to anything and boring. Genesis were inevitably going to sell more records as a pop band. Thats what the masses are receptive to, I'm afraid.

Blacksword wrote: Winter Wine wrote: Ricochet wrote: This only great album produced within this period is Duke. ...and then there were three... is a failed project and a weak result IMO.Overall,the fall of Genesis continues its slowly root...1978-1980 is still a decent period,but a dying one concerning Genesis. To be honest Ricochet I cannot see how ..And Then There Were three is a weak album. The album has many excellent songs - Down and Out Ballad of Big Burning Rope Deep in the Motherlode Scenes from a Nights Dream The Lady Lies Even the ballad type track Snowbound is quite good.   Winter Wine, I agree with you about 'ATTWT' It's an excellent album IMO. I would have swapped Ballad of Big with Undertow for my 'best of' list, though.. I like this period in the bands career. ATTWT was a very strong album, melodically and they proved once again they were strong enough and creative enough to cope with the loss of another key member. Just a 'Trick of the Tail' had been a complete triumph, ATTWT also succeeded - although I do prefer ATOTT.. 'Duke' is another great album IMO. It's still prog in places, although you can hear the Genesis bus swerving into the 'middle of the road' at great speed on some tracks; Misunderstanding, Alone tonight and Please dont ask, stand out as weak tracks IMO. They were a tight and powerful band at this time, and were still writing many songs as individuals, which I always thought was a good approach. By the time they recorded ABACAB, they were back to writing most material together. Songs were coming out of jam sessions, and mucking around in the studio. The result in the case of ABACAB is an album which sounds like a collection of rough drafts, many of which would have been binned before the band set about recording their next album. I never liked ABACAB, but the formula worked commercially, and the album sold by the lorry load. Some people have no taste..

I agree fully, '..And Then There Were Three' is the sound of a band working hard and writing excellent songs, In my opinion it is VERY close to 'Wind and Wuthering', but that has a couple of stand out songs that were some of the best Genesis had 'Eleventh Earl of Mar' or 'One for the Vine', ATTWT did not have one 'stand out' (per se) track, but the album as a whole is very enjoyable, it has great material, the only one that comes close to the two I mentioned from W & W is 'The Lady Lies'

I'm a 'Duke' fan too, i'm listening to it right now, I think it's a much more direct approach. It still has excellent songs, but the atmosphere that 'ATTWT' had in bucket loads is not as evident. I like 'Misunderstanding' but I can see why people don't, and I fully agree 'Alone Tonight' and 'Please don't ask' are the weakest, they're not bad, just not very interesting. 

^ I have to agree about Collins singing the Lamb. The version on Seconds Out is indeed dreadfull. The version of Suppers Ready is no picnic either...

But generally I like the first four albums with Collins singing, and selected tracks of those that followed..

Blacksword wrote: ^ I think my faves on Duke are 'Heathaze' 'Turn it on Again' and 'Dukes Travels'

All great songs, what about Behind the lines? Duke's End? and Cul De Sac? A lot of good stuff there

Winter Wine wrote: Blacksword wrote: ^ I think my faves on Duke are 'Heathaze' 'Turn it on Again' and 'Dukes Travels' All great songs, what about Behind the lines? Duke's End? and Cul De Sac? A lot of good stuff there

Ah yes, Cul De Sac, another Banks classic if I'm not mistaken. It's only really 'Misunderstanding' 'Alone Tonight' and 'Please dont Ask' that I dont like.

BTW, have you seen the 'Inside Genesis 75 - 80' DVD yet?? It's an independant critical review of the Collins era albums up to and including Duke. Some of the critics analysis is interesting, but there is also some good rare fottage from the Duke tour.

Blacksword wrote: Winter Wine wrote: Blacksword wrote: ^ I think my faves on Duke are 'Heathaze' 'Turn it on Again' and 'Dukes Travels' All great songs, what about Behind the lines? Duke's End? and Cul De Sac? A lot of good stuff there Ah yes, Cul De Sac, another Banks classic if I'm not mistaken. It's only really 'Misunderstanding' 'Alone Tonight' and 'Please dont Ask' that I dont like. BTW, have you seen the 'Inside Genesis 75 - 80' DVD yet?? It's an independant critical review of the Collins era albums up to and including Duke. Some of the critics analysis is interesting, but there is also some good rare fottage from the Duke tour.

Well said

No I have never seen the dvd but I would be happy to, I wonder what ratings are.

Winter Wine wrote: Blacksword wrote: Winter Wine wrote: Blacksword wrote: ^ I think my faves on Duke are 'Heathaze' 'Turn it on Again' and 'Dukes Travels' All great songs, what about Behind the lines? Duke's End? and Cul De Sac? A lot of good stuff there Ah yes, Cul De Sac, another Banks classic if I'm not mistaken. It's only really 'Misunderstanding' 'Alone Tonight' and 'Please dont Ask' that I dont like. BTW, have you seen the 'Inside Genesis 75 - 80' DVD yet?? It's an independant critical review of the Collins era albums up to and including Duke. Some of the critics analysis is interesting, but there is also some good rare fottage from the Duke tour. Well said No I have never seen the dvd but I would be happy to, I wonder what ratings are.

There are actually two 'Inside Genesis' DVD's, one covering the Gabriel years too. But the Gabriel one is not so good. The live clips are terrible quality, the music critics are inane and uninteresting - they love Genesis, but they could have been anyone taken off the street. There is also next to no discussion at all about the Lamb and what was going on with the band at the time.

The Collins era DVD is far more in depth, and among the critics are members of Mostly Autumn, boffins from some music college, and Hugh Fielder - the stalking journo who followed the band around for years. There are also snippets of interviews with Banks & Collins. Perhaps the crowing glory are the extra features which include Steve Hacket and his band playing 'Please dont Touch' and 'In that Quiet Earth' live in 1990; excellent quality. It's well worth looking into.

All the post-Gabriel/Hackett indifference to Genesis is rather depressing.  I stayed away from post-Lamb for a while because people were telling me that the band "died" without Gabriel.  However, I finally decided to take a risk and picked up Trick of the Tail and Wind and Wuthering, two albums that I thought were even better than a few of the Gabriel stuff.  Then I stayed away from the post-Hackett material because of the insistance that the band released pop rubbish.  However, once again, I took a risk, and I'm glad I did.

I seriously think there is some kind of mob mentality to bashing Genesis post-Hackett.  People like to say that it was both Hackett and Gabriel that made Genesis a prog band, but people seem to miss something... BOTH HACKETT AND GABRIEL WOULD RELEASE POP ALBUMS IN THE 80S!  And while this is obviously a judgement call, I don't think the pop efforts of Gabriel or Hackett ever matched up to the pop efforts of Genesis as a whole.

Abacab, Genesis, Invisible Touch... there are some great songs on all of these albums.  Every time I listen to them I am thankful that I gave them a chance.  They may not be outright prog, but there are certainly prog elements prevalent in all three (yes, even Invisible Touch) that make them worth listening to from time to time.

I think too many users on this forum suffer from a sort of romanticized view of Genesis, Gabriel, and Hackett.  They all created brilliant music when they were together, but remember that they also all indulged themselves in popish excess in the 80s.  Saying that it was any one of these three members that influenced Genesis to be "prog" is simply incorrect.  The 70s was a time for progressive rock, the 80s was a time for pop and new-wave experimentation.  Genesis, and these two artists, have proved that they were a product of their time in both cases.

John Gargo wrote: All the post-Gabriel/Hackett indifference to Genesis is rather depressing.  I stayed away from post-Lamb for a while because people were telling me that the band "died" without Gabriel.  However, I finally decided to take a risk and picked up Trick of the Tail and Wind and Wuthering, two albums that I thought were even better than a few of the Gabriel stuff.  Then I stayed away from the post-Hackett material because of the insistance that the band released pop rubbish.  However, once again, I took a risk, and I'm glad I did. I seriously think there is some kind of mob mentality to bashing Genesis post-Hackett.  People like to say that it was both Hackett and Gabriel that made Genesis a prog band, but people seem to miss something... BOTH HACKETT AND GABRIEL WOULD RELEASE POP ALBUMS IN THE 80S!  And while this is obviously a judgement call, I don't think the pop efforts of Gabriel or Hackett ever matched up to the pop efforts of Genesis as a whole. Abacab, Genesis, Invisible Touch... there are some great songs on all of these albums.  Every time I listen to them I am thankful that I gave them a chance.  They may not be outright prog, but there are certainly prog elements prevalent in all three (yes, even Invisible Touch) that make them worth listening to from time to time. I think too many users on this forum suffer from a sort of romanticized view of Genesis, Gabriel, and Hackett.  They all created brilliant music when they were together, but remember that they also all indulged themselves in popish excess in the 80s.  Saying that it was any one of these three members that influenced Genesis to be "prog" is simply incorrect.  The 70s was a time for progressive rock, the 80s was a time for pop and new-wave experimentation.  Genesis, and these two artists, have proved that they were a product of their time in both cases.

Some good points there John. It's true that there is a lot of bashing of the trio Genesis on this forum. I have no problem with Duke and ATTWT, and the band were arguably at their musical best with 'Trick..' and 'WAW' but ABACAB and beyond is just not to my taste, with the exception of a few tracks.

Genesis did change with the times, and arguably all bands need to do this in order to survive long term, but did they really have to become quite so..'UN progressive'?? Rush and Yes have managed to carry on doing big business whilst maintaining their musical complexity and progressive edge.

John Gargo wrote: All the post-Gabriel/Hackett indifference to Genesis is rather depressing.  I stayed away from post-Lamb for a while because people were telling me that the band "died" without Gabriel.  However, I finally decided to take a risk and picked up Trick of the Tail and Wind and Wuthering, two albums that I thought were even better than a few of the Gabriel stuff.  Then I stayed away from the post-Hackett material because of the insistance that the band released pop rubbish.  However, once again, I took a risk, and I'm glad I did. I seriously think there is some kind of mob mentality to bashing Genesis post-Hackett.  People like to say that it was both Hackett and Gabriel that made Genesis a prog band, but people seem to miss something... BOTH HACKETT AND GABRIEL WOULD RELEASE POP ALBUMS IN THE 80S!  And while this is obviously a judgement call, I don't think the pop efforts of Gabriel or Hackett ever matched up to the pop efforts of Genesis as a whole. Abacab, Genesis, Invisible Touch... there are some great songs on all of these albums.  Every time I listen to them I am thankful that I gave them a chance.  They may not be outright prog, but there are certainly prog elements prevalent in all three (yes, even Invisible Touch) that make them worth listening to from time to time. I think too many users on this forum suffer from a sort of romanticized view of Genesis, Gabriel, and Hackett.  They all created brilliant music when they were together, but remember that they also all indulged themselves in popish excess in the 80s.  Saying that it was any one of these three members that influenced Genesis to be "prog" is simply incorrect.  The 70s was a time for progressive rock, the 80s was a time for pop and new-wave experimentation.  Genesis, and these two artists, have proved that they were a product of their time in both cases.

Excellent point

Well ivan, we fundamentally disagree on 80s Genesis being "boring."  You do, and of course that's OK, and I don't, and that's also OK.  But I'd just like to call you out on your examples for the 80s Genesis albums were...

"Illegal Alien, Misunderstanding, Who Dunitt"

Well of COURSE if you pick some of the lesser songs... But how about the following...

"Abacab, Home By the Sea, Land of Confusion"

I think all of those songs are brilliant, and have distinct prog touches to them. 

John Gargo wrote: Well ivan, we fundamentally disagree on 80s Genesis being "boring."  You do, and of course that's OK, and I don't, and that's also OK.  But I'd just like to call you out on your examples for the 80s Genesis albums were... "Illegal Alien, Misunderstanding, Who Dunitt" Well of COURSE if you pick some of the lesser songs... But how about the following... "Abacab, Home By the Sea, Land of Confusion" I think all of those songs are brilliant, and have distinct prog touches to them.

Honestly...I hate all those too, the only barely decent IMO is Home by the Sea, Land of Confusion is an average POP song with a lot of airplay in MTV and ABACAB..well, better not to give my opinion.

But my answer was very long, there are some undisputed facts.

Iván

John Gargo wrote: Well ivan, we fundamentally disagree on 80s Genesis being "boring."  You do, and of course that's OK, and I don't, and that's also OK.  But I'd just like to call you out on your examples for the 80s Genesis albums were... "Illegal Alien, Misunderstanding, Who Dunitt" Well of COURSE if you pick some of the lesser songs... But how about the following... "Abacab, Home By the Sea, Land of Confusion" I think all of those songs are brilliant, and have distinct prog touches to them.

Not forgetting Dodo, Me & Sarah Jane, Silver Rainbow and Fading Lights..