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mrgd
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Topic: prog v. c and w Posted: February 07 2006 at 02:17 |
as an older prog enthusiast i just can't abide country and western. here in aus. its getting shoved in our faces.it's sacrilegious to even put them in the same sentence,yet ijust did.anyone share this general loathing?
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Posted: February 07 2006 at 02:50 |
I like country, I used to be more into it but I worked at a western store for over a year and got tired of hearing it. Now that I don't work there I can listen to country on my own again. I don't care what type of music you like Alison Krauss is amazing, her voice is incredible and her band is pretty good. It gets old quicker than prog but it is good.
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Posted: February 07 2006 at 08:31 |
I like a lot of late 60s/early 70s country rock - Byrds, Flying Burrito Brothers, Dillard & Clark, Gene Clark solo, Poco, Gram Parsons, and the first 4 Eagles albums. I grew up with country music, and while a lot of it is dross there are some genuinely gifted writers and performers working in the genre.
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Posted: February 07 2006 at 08:37 |
I cant abide Country and Western at ALL!
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Blacksword
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Posted: February 07 2006 at 08:40 |
I know very little about C&W, and what I've heard is either extremely depressing or just plain rubbish...to my ears anyway. But, I guess I've only ever heard the 'mainstream' popular country artists. My Irish relatives always loved C&W. My uncle used to wear a bloody cowboy hat..
It's not my thing.
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Phil
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Posted: February 07 2006 at 09:03 |
I agree!! I hate C&W! Its awful! I don't usually like to be so rude
about anything but I really can't stand it. The dumb songs, that awful
pedal guitar, the crass tunes. The only slight exception I'd make was
for a KD Lang album I once heard.....
There's a scene in "The Blues Brothers" film that runs like this: The
Blues Bros have a gig in a hick town, turning up and seeing the
clientelle they realise an R&B act probably won't go down well..so
they ask the barmaid: "What type of music do you play here?" To which
comes the reply: "Oh we play both types here honey....country AND
western!!"
So they wow the crowd with "Stand by your Man"....
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Posted: February 07 2006 at 09:24 |
mrgd wrote:
as an older prog enthusiast i just can't abide country and western. here in aus. its getting shoved in our faces.it's sacrilegious to even put them in the same sentence,yet ijust did.anyone share this general loathing? |
One thing is to differentiate Folk from Country
As a youngster in Canada (North America since I travelled a lot back from 76 until 87 in the US), we were constantly being fed through the radios this type of music . Country rock (Eagles and The Band etc...) was one thing that could still be somewhat correct to me and the buddies.
But we were always unfortunately hearing also plenty of Country music/singer-songwriters (Jackson Browne , James Taylor) and even some Country and Western, but also some of these Southern Rock groups like Marshall Tucker and Charlie Daniels bands and this force-feeding has actually provoked dire allergies to me..........
Although some forms of Appalachian and Bayou musics can be rather correct (but no more than 10 mins at a time ......./per year), they still are about the traditions and conservatism ( you can check out some of the acoustic Hot Tuna) . But I could also almost qualify those of Folk music
The fact that this music is usually reactionary, conservative and so-called moralistic has not helped out in its favor, also.
Remember the Blues Brothers heading out to a gig falling in one of those sickening hicks bar and the owner saying they were very tolerant and allowing Country and Western to be played
Today, I like much better Rap or Techno music than CR, CM or C&W, to tell you!!!!!
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Posted: February 07 2006 at 09:28 |
Phil wrote:
I agree!! I hate C&W! Its awful! I don't usually like to be so rude about anything but I really can't stand it. The dumb songs, that awful pedal guitar, the crass tunes. The only slight exception I'd make was for a KD Lang album I once heard.....
There's a scene in "The Blues Brothers" film that runs like this: The Blues Bros have a gig in a hick town, turning up and seeing the clientelle they realise an R&B act probably won't go down well..so they ask the barmaid: "What type of music do you play here?" To which comes the reply: "Oh we play both types here honey....country AND western!!"
So they wow the crowd with "Stand by your Man"....
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Yeah I can tolerate KD Lang. Good voice.
I think 'that awful peddle guitar' is what turns me off more than anything else. I have horrific memories of sitting in my uncles living room in a town not far from Dublin in the 70's, while he played C&W records. I remember that sliding, wining guitar sound and thinking what sort of instrument is that? and that whatever it was they should be outlawed. That sound used to make me yawn so hard I almost dislocated my jaw!
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Posted: February 07 2006 at 09:31 |
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Posted: February 07 2006 at 10:03 |
Syzygy wrote:
I like a lot of late 60s/early 70s country rock - Byrds, Flying Burrito Brothers, Dillard & Clark, Gene Clark solo, Poco, Gram Parsons, and the first 4 Eagles albums. I grew up with country music, and while a lot of it is dross there are some genuinely gifted writers and performers working in the genre. |
As do I. But I've played that stuff for some of my "Country" friends, & they can't stand it.
Give me Poco & the occasional Mary Chapin Carpenter song. Otherwise, I generally can't stand the genre.
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Posted: February 07 2006 at 10:18 |
It's really sad because old school country musicians (Hank Williams,
Johnny Cash, etc.) were some of the most important musicians of
that time. But now country is absolutely terrible.
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mrgd
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Posted: February 07 2006 at 18:49 |
i agree with those who make the point about defining the 'genre',which is why i refer 'c and w'. country rock is generally ok-eg poco'csn and y, loggins and messina etc. its the banal songs - yr pick up trucks[theyre called 'utes' in aus] dogs,being out west or outback and yodelling which grates with this prog/fusion fan. thanks for input.
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video vertigo
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Posted: February 08 2006 at 00:39 |
It's hard for me to believe that prog fans (which are suppose to be more open to music) can hate something that is so huge with so many artists and styles and over 100 years of music. Certainly everyone could pick out something they like about a country artist.
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Posted: February 08 2006 at 01:11 |
If you get away from the "Nashville machine" type country you'll find there are some real songwriters and artists in the genre. Austin is the home of real country and there are alot of great bands from that area.
Its like anything else, the more you're willing to dig, the more likely you are to hit paydirt.
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Posted: February 08 2006 at 01:16 |
I do admit that some of the vocals in country music can be very good though I don`t buy country music myself.
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RaphaelT
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Posted: February 08 2006 at 02:42 |
I personally loathe C&W (both genres, as in "Blues Brothers" said the barkeeper), but fellow progfans please listen to Yes "No Opportunity Necessary No Experience Needed", and "Yours is No Disgrace" - and try to tell Steve Howe that you hate country & western
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Posted: February 08 2006 at 05:21 |
RaphaelT wrote:
I personally loathe C&W (both genres, as in "Blues Brothers" said the barkeeper), but fellow progfans please listen to Yes "No Opportunity Necessary No Experience Needed", and "Yours is No Disgrace" - and try to tell Steve Howe that you hate country & western |
"No Opportunity Necessary No Experience Needed" >> Steve Howe was not in Yes when they did that one
But you forgot to mention the footstompin The Clap, but slight influences are not a problem for most of us.
Even with Neil Young's two most "popular " albums such as Harvest and After the Goldrush, they are far to be my favorites (but they are always cited by the generalistic press as his bests) , I prefer much rockier Zuma, On The Beach, Rust Never Sleeps, Ragged Glory, etc........;
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Posted: February 08 2006 at 07:13 |
The little I've heard of Johnny Cash was quite good, as for the rest the less said the better.
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CandyAppleRed
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Posted: February 08 2006 at 07:30 |
My good lady is a big fan of "modern" c&w and most of it just passes me by, but there is one overriding factor in just about all of the stuff she listens to - the musicianship is first class. It is just unfortunate that they seem to prefer to play the same old things, because when someone does break free of the shackles imposed by the genre, it can be pretty good.
Still not heard c&w with mellotron though
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