prog v. c and w
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Topic: prog v. c and w
Posted By: mrgd
Subject: prog v. c and w
Date Posted: February 07 2006 at 02:17
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as an older prog enthusiast i just can't abide country and western. here in aus. its getting shoved in our faces.it's sacrilegious to even put them in the same sentence,yet ijust did.anyone share this general loathing? ------------- Looking still the same after all these years... mrgd |
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Posted By: video vertigo
Date Posted: February 07 2006 at 02:50
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I like country, I used to be more into it but I worked at a western store for over a year and got tired of hearing it. Now that I don't work there I can listen to country on my own again. ------------- "The rock and roll business is pretty absurd, but the world of serious music is much worse." - Zappa |
Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: February 07 2006 at 08:31
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I like a lot of late 60s/early 70s country rock - Byrds, Flying Burrito Brothers, Dillard & Clark, Gene Clark solo, Poco, Gram Parsons, and the first 4 Eagles albums. I grew up with country music, and while a lot of it is dross there are some genuinely gifted writers and performers working in the genre. ------------- 'Like so many of you I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: February 07 2006 at 08:37
I cant abide Country and Western at ALL! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: February 07 2006 at 08:40
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I know very little about C&W, and what I've heard is either extremely depressing or just plain rubbish...to my ears anyway. But, I guess I've only ever heard the 'mainstream' popular country artists. My Irish relatives always loved C&W. My uncle used to wear a bloody cowboy hat.. It's not my thing. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Phil
Date Posted: February 07 2006 at 09:03
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I agree!! I hate C&W! Its awful! I don't usually like to be so rude
about anything but I really can't stand it. The dumb songs, that awful
pedal guitar, the crass tunes. The only slight exception I'd make was
for a KD Lang album I once heard..... There's a scene in "The Blues Brothers" film that runs like this: The Blues Bros have a gig in a hick town, turning up and seeing the clientelle they realise an R&B act probably won't go down well..so they ask the barmaid: "What type of music do you play here?" To which comes the reply: "Oh we play both types here honey....country AND western!!"  So they wow the crowd with "Stand by your Man".... |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: February 07 2006 at 09:24
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One thing is to differentiate Folk from Country
As a youngster in Canada (North America since I travelled a lot back from 76 until 87 in the US), we were constantly being fed through the radios this type of music . Country rock (Eagles and The Band etc...) was one thing that could still be somewhat correct to me and the buddies. But we were always unfortunately hearing also plenty of Country music/singer-songwriters Although some forms of Appalachian and Bayou musics can be rather correct (but no more than 10 mins at a time ......./per year The fact that this music is usually reactionary, conservative and so-called moralistic has not helped out in its favor, also. Remember the Blues Brothers heading out to a gig falling in one of those sickening hicks bar and the owner saying they were very tolerant and allowing Country and Western to be played Today, I like much better Rap or Techno music than CR, CM or C&W, to tell you!!!!!
------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
mrgd wrote:
(Jackson Browne , James Taylor) and even some Country and Western
), they still are about the traditions and conservatism ( you can check out some of the acoustic Hot Tuna) . But I could also almost qualify those of Folk music 
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: February 07 2006 at 09:28
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Yeah I can tolerate KD Lang. Good voice. I think 'that awful peddle guitar' is what turns me off more than anything else. I have horrific memories of sitting in my uncles living room in a town not far from Dublin in the 70's, while he played C&W records. I remember that sliding, wining guitar sound and thinking what sort of instrument is that? and that whatever it was they should be outlawed. That sound used to make me yawn so hard I almost dislocated my jaw! ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: February 07 2006 at 09:31
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Come on phil, don't hold back!!! tell us how you rerally feel!!! you mentioned the same anecdote I did!! ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: A'swepe
Date Posted: February 07 2006 at 10:03
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As do I. But I've played that stuff for some of my "Country" friends, & they can't stand it. Give me Poco & the occasional Mary Chapin Carpenter song. Otherwise, I generally can't stand the genre. ------------- David - Never doubt in the dark that which you believe to be true in the light. http://www.myspace.com/aardvarktxusa - Instrumental rock http://www.soundclick.com/aardvarktxusa |
Posted By: lunaticviolist
Date Posted: February 07 2006 at 10:18
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It's really sad because old school country musicians (Hank Williams,
Johnny Cash, etc.) were some of the most important musicians of
that time. But now country is absolutely terrible.
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Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: February 07 2006 at 12:35
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Posted By: mrgd
Date Posted: February 07 2006 at 18:49
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i agree with those who make the point about defining the 'genre',which is why i refer 'c and w'. country rock is generally ok-eg poco'csn and y, loggins and messina etc. its the banal songs - yr pick up trucks[theyre called 'utes' in aus] dogs,being out west or outback and yodelling which grates with this prog/fusion fan. thanks for input. ------------- Looking still the same after all these years... mrgd |
Posted By: video vertigo
Date Posted: February 08 2006 at 00:39
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It's hard for me to believe that prog fans (which are suppose to be more open to music) can hate something that is so huge with so many artists and styles and over 100 years of music. Certainly everyone could pick out something they like about a country artist. ------------- "The rock and roll business is pretty absurd, but the world of serious music is much worse." - Zappa |
Posted By: Mongo
Date Posted: February 08 2006 at 01:11
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If you get away from the "Nashville machine" type country you'll find there are some real songwriters and artists in the genre. Austin is the home of real country and there are alot of great bands from that area. Its like anything else, the more you're willing to dig, the more likely you are to hit paydirt. ------------- "The options are ever fewer on the ground these days" Fish |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: February 08 2006 at 01:16
I do admit that some of the vocals in country music can be very good  though I don`t buy country music myself.
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Posted By: RaphaelT
Date Posted: February 08 2006 at 02:42
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I personally loathe C&W (both genres, as in "Blues Brothers" said the barkeeper), but fellow progfans please listen to Yes "No Opportunity Necessary No Experience Needed", and "Yours is No Disgrace" - and try to tell Steve Howe that you hate country & western ------------- yet you still have time! |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: February 08 2006 at 05:21
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"No Opportunity Necessary No Experience Needed" >> Steve Howe was not in Yes when they did that one But you forgot to mention the footstompin The Clap Even with Neil Young's two most "popular " albums such as Harvest and After the Goldrush, they are far to be my favorites (but they are always cited by the generalistic press as his bests) , I prefer much rockier Zuma, On The Beach, Rust Never Sleeps, Ragged Glory, etc........; ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: February 08 2006 at 07:13
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The little I've heard of Johnny Cash was quite good, as for the rest the less said the better. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005 
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Posted By: CandyAppleRed
Date Posted: February 08 2006 at 07:30
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My good lady is a big fan of "modern" c&w and most of it just passes me by, but there is one overriding factor in just about all of the stuff she listens to - the musicianship is first class. It is just unfortunate that they seem to prefer to play the same old things, because when someone does break free of the shackles imposed by the genre, it can be pretty good. Still not heard c&w with mellotron though |
Posted By: A'swepe
Date Posted: February 08 2006 at 09:39
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I was born & raised on the South & I don't like NASCAR either.
Good One! ------------- David - Never doubt in the dark that which you believe to be true in the light. http://www.myspace.com/aardvarktxusa - Instrumental rock http://www.soundclick.com/aardvarktxusa |
