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SirPsycho388 
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 Topic: The Odyssey vs Octavarium
Posted: January 16 2006 at 01:42 |
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Which 24 minute epic is better by these prog metal giants, Dream Theater & Symphony X?
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Strangers passing in the street by chance two separate glances meet and I am you and what I see is me. And do I take you by the hand and lead you through the land and help me understand the best I can
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GoldenSpiral
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Posted: January 16 2006 at 02:27 |
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The Odyssey. IMO Symphony X provides a more honest (albeit cheesy) approach to the prog metal epic. DT is great but they arent as original.
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cold103
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Posted: January 16 2006 at 02:40 |
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I enjoy The Odyssey more.
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Moatilliatta
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Posted: January 16 2006 at 02:51 |
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Gosh, these are both great songs. The later portions of Octavarium are some of my favorite passages ever, but the first ten or so minutes, while still being good, don't always please me as much as the later half, possibly due to their longevity, with lack of energy. Now, The Odyssey has a brilliant intro, and too has a climatic ending, with some good stuff in between. Hmm, I'm not sure.
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Xymphony
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Posted: January 16 2006 at 03:22 |
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The Odyssey, of course...
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W.Chuck
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Posted: January 16 2006 at 03:58 |
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definitely THE ODYSSEY !
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Bj-1
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Posted: January 16 2006 at 08:55 |
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The Odyssey!!!
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RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on!
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Posted: January 16 2006 at 09:18 |
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Odyssey this time...
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decypher
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Posted: January 16 2006 at 09:26 |
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The Odyssey is ok but like all Symphony X stuff that I have heard so far, typical "symphonic 'progressive'(?) power metal cheese" - I just hate that typical neoclassical thing like "Kings of Terror" (hehe, such a title makes me think they must be swedish!) and a very obvious and shallow kind of "complexity", DT is a different class.
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JayDee
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Posted: January 16 2006 at 09:29 |
 decypher wrote:
The Odyssey is ok but like all Symphony X stuff that I have heard so far, typical "symphonic 'progressive'(?) power metal cheese" - I just hate that typical neoclassical thing like "Kings of Terror" (hehe, such a title makes me think they must be swedish!) and a very obvious and shallow kind of "complexity", DT is a different class.
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Symphony x makes good cheese! , DT has their share of cheese too..
I like both none the less! ... and so you voted for DT i guess???
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: January 16 2006 at 09:45 |
The Odyssey! 
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aapatsos
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Posted: January 16 2006 at 09:57 |
The Odyssey...
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Xymphony
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Posted: January 16 2006 at 10:07 |
decypher wrote:
and a very obvious and shallow kind of "complexity", DT is a different class.
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Oh that's right, Octavarium is much much much much more complex song than The Odyssey.
Oh please, don't make me laugh 
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decypher
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Posted: January 16 2006 at 10:15 |
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You can laugh as much as you like, no problem.
For me it's not about complexity (which actually is an advantage for Symphony X, regarding to their very simple song structures around the (mostly very good) instrumental parts - it's the Malmsteen-Thing, boring songs, good solos, next one please - sounded 1985 like it did 1995 and 2005 and will sound the same in 2015). (I do like "Accolade")
Yep I voted for DT (of course), even though they definitely made very cheesy songs in the past, I just think they have much more variety to offer than the neoclassical-lalala-stuff from symphony x, which seems far more limited to me than DT's style.
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Posted: January 16 2006 at 10:23 |
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Yep, John Petrucci has that jazzy "edge" compared to Mike Romeo.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: January 16 2006 at 10:30 |
Majestic_Mayhem wrote:
Yep, John Petrucci has that jazzy "edge" compared to Mike Romeo. |
But the edge of Romeo is mich sharper ... he really rocks.
I think that Octavarium is really well composed and contains some stunning parts, great musicianship. The Odyssey is simpler ... but also much more interesting. And the different parts really work in the context of the story, which can't really be said for Octavarium.
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decypher
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Posted: January 16 2006 at 10:35 |
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Technically Romeo is a good guitarist but I think his sound is very limited, he never surprised me with stuff like Petrucci did on songs like "Take the Time" or "The Glass Prison", he has a much better understanding of using chromatic scales in songs instead of sticking with the minor thing....
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xjester
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Posted: January 16 2006 at 11:04 |
Xymphony wrote:
decypher wrote:
and a very obvious and shallow kind of "complexity", DT is a different class.
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Oh that's right, Octavarium is much much much much more complex song than The Odyssey.
Oh please, don't make me laugh
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Octavarium is Extreamly complex in concept.
This is a page that explains the concept of octavarium. It talks about the whole album, but goes into detail about the song twards the bottom.
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W.Chuck
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Posted: January 16 2006 at 11:08 |
decypher wrote:
The Odyssey is ok but like all Symphony X stuff that I have heard so far, typical "symphonic 'progressive'(?) power metal cheese" - I just hate that typical neoclassical thing like "Kings of Terror" (hehe, such a title makes me think they must be swedish!) and a very obvious and shallow kind of "complexity", DT is a different class.
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The story behind King of Terrors is far away from any cheese...
Majestic_Mayhem wrote:
Yep, John Petrucci has that jazzy "edge" compared to Mike Romeo. |
I think Michael Pinnella balances that!
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
I think that Octavarium is really well composed and contains some stunning parts, great musicianship. The Odyssey is simpler ... but also much more interesting. And the different parts really work in the context of the story, which can't really be said for Octavarium. |
Of course The Odyssey has simple parts, but there are also complex pieces and at the end the result counts.
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Ed_The_Dead
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Posted: January 16 2006 at 11:47 |
Octavarium, although both Songs are FAR form being masterpieces... Actually far from being great songs...
There should be a poll bout the real masterpieces:
A Change of Seasons vs The Divine Wings of Tragedy
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