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    Posted: June 15 2024 at 02:23
Reeling in the years with a profusion of Jazz Fusion in a new series of polls running from 1959 through to the year 2000. 🗣️ 🎉 🎵 🎶 💃 🎤 🎸 🎊 🕺 🥁

3 stars 1959: Dave Brubeck Quartet - Gone with the Wind - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_l4sPwOu9f7TQe5Na5xZkUqfyst84dYlpo
2 stars 1959: Ornette Coleman - The Shape of Jazz to Come - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cpf99MZQhIM
3 stars 1959: Wayne Shorter - Introducing Wayne Shorter - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSJTyUsv_bQ


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Miles Davis - Kind Of Blue
Sun Ra - Jazz In Silhouette
Charles Mingus - Mingus Ah Um
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote someone_else Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2024 at 04:44
Dave Brubeck Quartet.

Any more voters from 1959, or does thrice pay for all? Wink


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This one is a toughy.  Charles Mingus - Mingus Ah Um
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Nice to see you, or anyone, make a poll of artists in the USA. Thanks Paul!

I wouldn't classify any of these as "fusion" but it's Kind of Blue for me.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Psychedelic Paul Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2024 at 05:11
Coming up later.....

John Abercrombie                    Electromagnets                   Herbie Mann                     Wayne Shorter
Apprentice                              Don Ellis                             Material                            Smoke
Arcana                                   The Fents                            Mathematicians                 Soma
Ariel                                       Bela Fleck & the Flecktones   Matrix                              Spaces
Carla Bley                               Flying Island                        Bernie Maupin                  Tony Spada
Blood, Sweat & Tears               The Fourth Way                   McLuhan                          Spyro Gyra
Brecker Brothers                      Friends                               Medeski, Martin & Wood    The Stark Reality
Michael Brecker                        Bill Frisell                            Pat Metheny                     Steely Dan
Gary Burton                             Gamalon                             Barry Miles                       Streetdancer
Donald Byrd                             Genre                                The Mistakes                     Daryl Stuermer 
Larry Carlton                            Gold                                   Morning Sky                     Sun Ra
Chase                                      Golden Avatar                     Alphonse Mouzon              Tesseract
Chicago                                   Good God                           October                            Steve Tibbetts
Child's Play                              Jerry Goodman                    Oregon                             Keith Tippett Group
Clareon                                   Grits                                   Ozone Quartet                   David Torn
Stanley Clarke                          Group '87                            Paranoise                         Ralph Towner
Billy Cobham                            Dave Grusin                        Jaco Pastorius                   Tribal Tech
Ornette Coleman & Prime Time  Jan Hammer                        Players                             A Triggering Myth
Steve Coleman                         Herbie Hancock                    Power Tools                      Tuatara
Alice Coltrane                           Jon Hassell                          Julian Priester                   Tunnels
John Coltrane                           Eddie Henderson                  Probe 10                          James Blood Ulmer
Bill Connors                              However                             Proteus                            Under the Big Tree
Copious                                   Bobbi Humphrey                  Radio Piece III                   Vertu
Chick Corea                              Iliad                                   Return to Forever              James Vincent
Larry Coryell                             Ronald Shannon Jackson      Richie Duvall & Dog Truck   The Viola Crayola
Miles Davis                               Alphonso Johnson                Jeff Richman                     Vital Information
Defunkt                                    Shawn Lane                        David Rose                       Chad Wackerman
Jack DeJohnette                        Mingo Lewis                        David Sancious                 Ken Watson
Al Di Meola                               John Macey                         Pharaoh Sanders               Weather Report
Dixie Dregs                               Maelstrom                           Santana                           Lenny White
Deodato                                   Mahavishnu Orchestra          Carlos Santana                  Tony Williams Lifetime
Dreams                                    Sam Malone                        Satchitananda                    Woodenhead
George Duke                             Mandrill                              Schleigho                          Larry Young
Dennis Chambers                      Michael Manring                   John Scofield                     Frank Zappa

 

   


136 artists in total. Let me know if there's anyone I've missed out. Smile 

    
                                        

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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Nice to see you, or anyone, make a poll of artists in the USA. Thanks Paul!

I wouldn't classify any of these as "fusion" but it's Kind of Blue for me.

Me neither, and I voted for the album that Miles ahead of the rest too.  I can promise this series of polls gets much better later on though with 136 more artists still to come and with the Steely Dan and Pat Metheny years to look forward to. Wink


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Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

This one is a toughy.  Charles Mingus - Mingus Ah Um

Charles Mingus was a last minute addition. I was Umming and Ahing about including that album. Smile


Edited by Psychedelic Paul - June 15 2024 at 06:04
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Miles Davis (Kind of Blue), Herbie Mann (Flautista), Charles Mingus.
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That Coleman album is a decisive win for me, although Mingus is not far behind.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Psychedelic Paul Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2024 at 06:55
Kind of Blue - the autobiography of MP Ken Clarke, who spent his days in parliament and his nights in Ronnie Scott's Jazz Club. Cool



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^Hmmm. It seems we are now at a club in the U.K?
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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

^Hmmm. It seems we are now at a club in the U.K?

Yes, Ronnie Scott's Jazz Club is in London, but Louis Balfour's Jazz Club only exists in the imagination of the writers of The Fast Show. Smile
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I went with Mingus too, with Sun Ra and Coleman following. Miles Davis' Kind of Blue has received a lot of attention at PA, but I much prefer the following Sketches of Spain and then the 1965 to 1974 period is I think stellar.

My dad loved Gershwin's Porgy and Bess and made the mistake of buying the Davis album when I was a kid and complained vociferously (he had bought it at a Vancouver store that specialises in classical called The Magic Flute). I liked it, it was the first time I remembering hearing Miles Davis. I was rather sad when he he exchanged the record. I bet he wouldn't like Sketches of Spain as much as I do. That resonated with me in part because I played some of the same music as a trumpeter in youth orchestra.
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I have no idea why you would label a selection of sixteen 1959 albums that you actually KNOW arent US jazz fusion* as "Classic US Jazz Fusion". But then again I will never understand you. Perhaps my ten favorite (non-fusion) jazz albums from this year:

The Cecil Taylor Quartet - Looking Ahead!
The Dave Brubeck Quartet - Time Out
Ahmed Abdul-Malik - Jazz Sahara
Miles Davis - Kind of Blue
The Chico Hamilton Quintet - Gongs East!
Charles Mingus - Mingus Ah Um
Abbey Lincoln - Abbey Is Blue
Ornette Coleman - The Shape of Jazz to Come
Yusef Lateef - The Dreamer
The Horace Silver Quintet - Finger Poppin' With the Horace Silver Quintet

*Les Baxter isn't even "regular jazz" - and like Brubeck, Coleman and Mingus - he won't ever record an album considered to be Jazz Fusion.
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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

I have no idea why you would label a selection of sixteen 1959 albums that you actually KNOW arent US jazz fusion* as "Classic US Jazz Fusion". But then again I will never understand you. 
There's two main reasons why I began this series of polls from the year 1959:-

1. Because that was the year as I was born.

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2. I couldn't possibly consider leaving out Miles Davis' classic Kind of Blue album.

And on the subject of Les Baxter, I have more albums by him than any other artist - 32 in total - so he was another "must" for inclusion. Smile

Rest assured that when we finally reach the 1970's, ALL of the poll albums will be Jazz Fusion, although they won't necessarily be all American. Wink
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^Haha but that's not actual "reasons". I have more Morricone albums than anyone else in my collection. I wouldn't include him in a "Classic Exotica Albums"-poll simply because I own a lot of his albums. Just like I know Les Baxter doesn't belong in Jazz Fusion, I would know that Morricone doesn't belong in Exotica. 
+of course you could leave out Kind of Blue - as it's Classic Modal Jazz and not Classic Jazz Fusion.


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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

I have no idea why you would label a selection of sixteen 1959 albums that you actually KNOW arent US jazz fusion* as "Classic US Jazz Fusion". But then again I will never understand you. 
There's two main reasons why I began this series of polls from the year 1959:-

1. Because that was the year as I was born.

and

2. I couldn't possibly consider leaving out Miles Davis' classic Kind of Blue album.

And on the subject of Les Baxter, I have more albums by him than any other artist - 32 in total - so he was another "must" for inclusion. Smile

Rest assured that when we finally reach the 1970's, ALL of the poll albums will be Jazz Fusion, although they won't necessarily be all American. Wink

The issue is, none of this is "Jazz Fusion". Miles Davis at this point is playing "Modal Jazz", Mingus is playing "Post-Bop", Brubeck is into "West Coast Jazz", and Shorter is playing "Hard Bop". There is no such thing as "fusion" at this point. Not even vaguely.

It's like making a list of rock and roll albums from 1959 and saying Chuck Berry, Bill Hailey, Ricky Nelson and Elvis are prog.

"Jazz Fusion" as a definable genre doesn't come into existence until 1967 or later, when jazz players like Larry Coryell whipped out their guitars and amps and bring rock music into what previously was a wholly separate entitiy, jazz. Of fusion, Coryell noted of this next generation of jazz players, "We loved Miles but we also loved the Rolling Stones." Miles Davis himself was profoundly affected by Hendrix. Corea, McLaughlin, Hancock all come around in the late 60s.


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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

^Haha but that's not actual "reasons" silly. I have more Morricone albums than anyone else in my collection. I wouldn't include him in a "Classic Exotica Albums"-poll because I own a lot of his albums. Because just like I know Les Baxter doesn't belong in Jazz Fusion, I would know that Morricone doesn't belong in Exotica. 
+of course you could leave out Kind of Blue - as it's Classic Modal Jazz and not Classic Jazz Fusion.
I could skip straight from the year 1959 to the year 1967 when Jazz Fusion really began, but then I'd be missing out on some classic jazz albums, such as Miles Davis' "Sketches of Spain" album, which is coming up next and John Coltrane's classic "A Love Supreme" album from 1965. to name just two. Smile
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