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    Posted: May 06 2022 at 11:00
Here is an original version of a song I'm sure pretty much everyone is familiar with. Followed by an updated version to fit the era it was recorded in.  Was it ruined or was it resurrected?
What other tunes do you know of that have been 'Redone' by their original band. (and original doesn't need to mean all original members, just no cover versions).

Chicago - 25 Or 6 To 4 (1970)



Chicago - 25 Or 6 To 4 (1986)


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote rushfan4 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 06 2022 at 11:03
Just because I heard this for the first time last week:



In regards to your post, I don't recall having any issues with the newer recording, but will give it another listen from this context.
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I don't know if this counts or not, but Jon Anderson kind of ruined this Yes song.

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That Chicago remake is hard to take. I at least appreciate that it’s different enough to have a reason to exist, but they really overdid the drums/pop metal guitars to the point of parody. I won’t go so far as to say it’s ruined (its positive aspects survive the production), but it’s close.

Here’s a remake that fares a little better. Spirit reformed in the 80s and re-recorded their most popular songs & added a couple of new ones. This version rocks pretty well I think, though I still prefer the original.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote JD Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 06 2022 at 11:48
Originally posted by HolyMoly HolyMoly wrote:

That Chicago remake is hard to take. I at least appreciate that it’s different enough to have a reason to exist, but they really overdid the drums/pop metal guitars to the point of parody. I won’t go so far as to say it’s ruined (its positive aspects survive the production), but it’s close.
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You nailed that right. I sort of feel that if Phil Collins had done a version of it in the 80's this is what it would have sounded like.
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I would guess it's more ruined than resurrected. 
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Originally posted by mellotronwave mellotronwave wrote:

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I like the 1999 version of the song. 
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This is one I never understood why there is two versions (I'm sure there's a good reason).  I like both equally.




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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote JD Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 06 2022 at 17:18
The why was because he now had a solo career, so he wanted to do the tune to fit his current 'sound'.
The huge difference is certainly the production of the song, and I really prefer the original 1972 Barnstorm version. It has such raw guitar sounds that just eat up my speakers. I love it.
The 1974 So What version is a little sterile even though it shows the performance to be better.

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Emerson, Lake & Palmer's 15 minute studio version of Pictures at an Exhibition recorded in stunning Dolby Surround Sound from Return of the Manticore in 1993 is arguably superior to the original live version. (It's also available as a bonus item on the otherwise execrable In the Hot Seat. Yes, the one that needed flushing afterwards)
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Originally posted by Man With Hat Man With Hat wrote:

I would guess it's more ruined than resurrected. 


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The Spirit 13th Dream album is very disappointing, but maybe the more successfull example
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This probably doesn't count, but Hackett does play on it. It is reworking and not a cover.

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The Walsh example reminded me that the Guess Who put the song “No Time” ( which I always used to think was by CSN ) on two consecutive albums - Canned Wheat and American Woman - in nearly identical versions. Not sure why, but the second one was a hit.
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Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

Here is an original version of a song I'm sure pretty much everyone is familiar with. Followed by an updated version to fit the era it was recorded in.  Was it ruined or was it resurrected?
What other tunes do you know of that have been 'Redone' by their original band. (and original doesn't need to mean all original members, just no cover versions).

Chicago - 25 Or 6 To 4 (1970)

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That remaster belongs in the trash can with the worst drumming ever recorded, and the the worst crap design ever devised for an audience, which is an insult to all of our intelligences!

Might as well tell those idiots to go do Beethoven and Mozart with that god-awful drum beat and stupid music design that a couple of music recording companies think ... is something we like!

Please ... don't buy that new one and make sure it dies quickly. It is a serious insult to the actual music! No one goes to a concert to hear Beethoven done like that crap!


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In 1961 Del Shannon hit #1 with "Runaway".  Throughout the 60s he had a few more songs, a few more gigs and paid the bills.  As the 70s began 60s music started to be replaced and Shannon started to fade into the background.  Until the 1980s.  In 1985, Michael Mann (of Miami Vice fame) created a new show called "Crime Story".  "Crime Story" is one of my top 10 TV shows of all time, but it had productions issues and never really took off.  Cancel after two seasons.  Any how the show needed an opening theme and Shannon's "Runaway" was selected.  Michael Mann had Shannon reworked the song to give it a more modern (80s) sound and the "Crime Story" theme was created.  I like both versions, but the reworked version is definitely my favorite.


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^Resurrected ! Thumbs Up
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote rushfan4 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 07 2022 at 08:25
Then there is this classic rock song which was resurrected and brought rap to the white masses.  Again not sure if this is what you have in mind, since I guess technically this is a cover, but the original band did participate in the cover.



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote I prophesy disaster Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 07 2022 at 13:09
Morning Bell (Kid A)
 
 
 
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I very much prefer the version on Kid A. Indeed, the particular thing I love about this version is missing on the Amnesiac version.
 
 

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OK, this will probably be the last one from me on this thread.  Would you believe me if I told you there was an officially released album from Sly Stone with the following guest musicians, Ray Manzarek (The Doors), Carmine Appice (Vanilla Fudge), Johnny Winter and Jeff Beck.  Well, there is.  I am the biggest Sly Stone fan since he came out.  When this album was released (2011) what was available sounded bad.  No credits, just that it was Sly in the studio with other musicians reworking (resurrecting) some of his biggest hits.  It was so bad I said, 'I pass' and left it alone.  When I came back to it a few years later and saw who was officially on the album I nearly sh*t.  For the most part the song reworks are mostly bad.  Sly sounds awful on some (there are some moments but don't hold your breath).  The release is worth having just for the guest, considering a couple of them are no longer with us.




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