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JD ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 07 2009 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 18446 |
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Here is an original version of a song I'm sure pretty much everyone is familiar with. Followed by an updated version to fit the era it was recorded in. Was it ruined or was it resurrected? What other tunes do you know of that have been 'Redone' by their original band. (and original doesn't need to mean all original members, just no cover versions). Chicago - 25 Or 6 To 4 (1970) Chicago - 25 Or 6 To 4 (1986) |
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rushfan4 ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: May 22 2007 Location: Michigan, U.S. Status: Online Points: 66615 |
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Just because I heard this for the first time last week:
In regards to your post, I don't recall having any issues with the newer recording, but will give it another listen from this context.
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mellotronwave ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 30 2021 Location: Belgium Status: Offline Points: 11582 |
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Genesis Carpet Crawlers
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rushfan4 ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: May 22 2007 Location: Michigan, U.S. Status: Online Points: 66615 |
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I don't know if this counts or not, but Jon Anderson kind of ruined this Yes song.
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HolyMoly ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin Joined: April 01 2009 Location: Atlanta Status: Offline Points: 26138 |
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That Chicago remake is hard to take. I at least appreciate that it’s different enough to have a reason to exist, but they really overdid the drums/pop metal guitars to the point of parody. I won’t go so far as to say it’s ruined (its positive aspects survive the production), but it’s close.
Here’s a remake that fares a little better. Spirit reformed in the 80s and re-recorded their most popular songs & added a couple of new ones. This version rocks pretty well I think, though I still prefer the original. |
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Man With Hat ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Jazz-Rock/Fusion/Canterbury Team Joined: March 12 2005 Location: Neurotica Status: Offline Points: 166183 |
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I would guess it's more ruined than resurrected.
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Cristi ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Crossover / Prog Metal Teams Joined: July 27 2006 Location: wonderland Status: Offline Points: 45824 |
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I like the 1999 version of the song.
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dwill123 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 19 2006 Status: Offline Points: 4460 |
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This is one I never understood why there is two versions (I'm sure there's a good reason). I like both equally.
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JD ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 07 2009 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 18446 |
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The why was because he now had a solo career, so he wanted to do the tune to fit his current 'sound'. The huge difference is certainly the production of the song, and I really prefer the original 1972 Barnstorm version. It has such raw guitar sounds that just eat up my speakers. I love it. The 1974 So What version is a little sterile even though it shows the performance to be better. Good Pick !
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Emerson, Lake & Palmer's 15 minute studio version of Pictures at an Exhibition recorded in stunning Dolby Surround Sound from Return of the Manticore in 1993 is arguably superior to the original live version. (It's also available as a bonus item on the otherwise execrable In the Hot Seat. Yes, the one that needed flushing afterwards)
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in 99% of the cases, anyways ![]() ![]() ![]() The Spirit 13th Dream album is very disappointing, but maybe the more successfull example
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This probably doesn't count, but Hackett does play on it. It is reworking and not a cover.
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The Walsh example reminded me that the Guess Who put the song “No Time” ( which I always used to think was by CSN ) on two consecutive albums - Canned Wheat and American Woman - in nearly identical versions. Not sure why, but the second one was a hit.
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Hi, That remaster belongs in the trash can with the worst drumming ever recorded, and the the worst crap design ever devised for an audience, which is an insult to all of our intelligences! Might as well tell those idiots to go do Beethoven and Mozart with that god-awful drum beat and stupid music design that a couple of music recording companies think ... is something we like! Please ... don't buy that new one and make sure it dies quickly. It is a serious insult to the actual music! No one goes to a concert to hear Beethoven done like that crap!
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dwill123 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 19 2006 Status: Offline Points: 4460 |
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In 1961 Del Shannon hit #1 with "Runaway". Throughout the 60s he had a few more songs, a few more gigs and paid the bills. As the 70s began 60s music started to be replaced and Shannon started to fade into the background. Until the 1980s. In 1985, Michael Mann (of Miami Vice fame) created a new show called "Crime Story". "Crime Story" is one of my top 10 TV shows of all time, but it had productions issues and never really took off. Cancel after two seasons. Any how the show needed an opening theme and Shannon's "Runaway" was selected. Michael Mann had Shannon reworked the song to give it a more modern (80s) sound and the "Crime Story" theme was created. I like both versions, but the reworked version is definitely my favorite.
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JD ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 07 2009 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 18446 |
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^Resurrected !
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rushfan4 ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: May 22 2007 Location: Michigan, U.S. Status: Online Points: 66615 |
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Then there is this classic rock song which was resurrected and brought rap to the white masses. Again not sure if this is what you have in mind, since I guess technically this is a cover, but the original band did participate in the cover.
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Morning Bell (Kid A) Morning Bell (Amnesiac) I very much prefer the version on Kid A. Indeed, the particular thing I love about this version is missing on the Amnesiac version. |
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dwill123 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 19 2006 Status: Offline Points: 4460 |
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OK, this will probably be the last one from me on this thread. Would you believe me if I told you there was an officially released album from Sly Stone with the following guest musicians, Ray Manzarek (The Doors), Carmine Appice (Vanilla Fudge), Johnny Winter and Jeff Beck. Well, there is. I am the biggest Sly Stone fan since he came out. When this album was released (2011) what was available sounded bad. No credits, just that it was Sly in the studio with other musicians reworking (resurrecting) some of his biggest hits. It was so bad I said, 'I pass' and left it alone. When I came back to it a few years later and saw who was officially on the album I nearly sh*t. For the most part the song reworks are mostly bad. Sly sounds awful on some (there are some moments but don't hold your breath). The release is worth having just for the guest, considering a couple of them are no longer with us.
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