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I collect a lot of my music from CD's at music stores--particularly any artist/band that is popular enough to be widely distributed (in the U. S. Primarily).  I've picked up nearly all my Herbie Hancock CD's this way, since he nearly always has a spot in the Jazz section at these stores. Certain of his albums are common and frequently found: Head Hunters and Maiden Voyage, for example. I've even come across Sextant a few times (one of the so-called Mwandish albums).

Yet, even having been to dozens of these stores over the years (used and new), I've never been able to find Crossings anywhere--his highest rated album on PA. I've also never seen Crossings on vinyl, though I don't search the vinyl section as much. Anybody know why that might be?  Limited or no release on CD? Chance? Or some other reason.  Thanks.



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It’s right here: https://www.amazon.com/Crossings-HERBIE-HANCOCK/dp/B000056P03

I generally order online when I can’t find X album in stores. My copy of Crossings was found in a Danish music shop though

Edith: also it’s dirt cheap over Amazon!

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But to answer your question:
It’s that good
Folks who’ve bought it never get rid of it.
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It's worth effort. Very worth it Smile
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Sure, I'm well aware that almost anything is order-able online--that's how I get most of my newer music. I'd rather not if I can find the CD. That's part of the reason for the post: if it's simple chance that I haven't found it, I'll figure I can hold out until I run across it (as I have a pretty mobile lifestyle). If its that it hasn't been released on CD, or some other reason, maybe I'll just go ahead and either order the CD or download the album. 


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Not that hard to find at all.

Here 8 offers, from EUR 7.
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^^I’m the same. I prefer a more hands-on approach and love to spend 6 hours in one store flipping through albums.
Yet...when I’ve been to the same place a couple of times and gotten my hands on what I wanted....well then I find myself looking at online possibilities instead.
Still...nothing beats a full day of music shopping - preferably with a sour girlfriend at one’s side - y’know just to get back at her for insisting on the weekend before, where she took you shopping for pants and a very specific pair of socks

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I just want to say that Crossings is a phenomenal album. I would not be without the full Mwandishi trilogy in my collection. And then check out related Mwandishi players stuff if you haven’t yet, as well as some albums with a musical relation.

Aside from "Crossings", "Sextant", and "Mwandishi", albums with a musical relation to it include Eddie Hebderson’s “Realization", amazing album I think, and "Inside Out" (if you don't have Anthology, Vol. II), and "Sunburst"; Julian Priester's fantastic "Love, Love" and his "Polarization"; Bennie Maupin's "The Jewel in the Lotus" and "Slow Traffic to the Right"; as well as Buster Williams'"Pinnacle", though I find that more forgettable than the others I mentioned. Norman Connors' "Dance of Magic" and "Dark of Light"is also an album that I think should appeal to those who enjoy MWandishi style music. And definitely check out Lenny White’s Venusian Summer if you haven’t already.

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 Probably most people on PA  like the 'trilogy' the best.....but I prefer the earlier more trad sounds of Inventions, Empyrean Isles, and especially Maiden Voyage (1965) and Speak Like a Child.
To me they are the epitome of cool city jazz and late nights ,,say in New York or Chicago.
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Originally posted by zwordser zwordser wrote:

Sure, I'm well aware that almost anything is order-able online--that's how I get most of my newer music. I'd rather not if I can find the CD. That's part of the reason for the post: if it's simple chance that I haven't found it, I'll figure I can hold out until I run across it (as I have a pretty mobile lifestyle). If its that it hasn't been released on CD, or some other reason, maybe I'll just go ahead and either order the CD or download the album. 
It's been released on CD a number of times:


I reckon if you keep hitting the stores you'll find one eventually. It's not a rarity by any means.
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Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

 Probably most people on PA  like the 'trilogy' the best.....but I prefer the earlier more trad sounds of Inventions, Empyrean Isles, and especially Maiden Voyage (1965) and Speak Like a Child.
To me they are the epitome of cool city jazz and late nights ,,say in New York or Chicago.


I do really appreciate the oness you listed in their own right. I have heard at least foutteen Hanock albums, from Inventions to Man Child, and perhaps the often most loved of those, which is Headhunters, is the one that least clicked with for me (and I do like funk). I should dig that one out again as it's been considerable years since I last listened to it. I feel like going out to the park, it won't be busy, and playing Death Wish right now, been cooped up far too long.
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Originally posted by Mascodagama Mascodagama wrote:

Originally posted by zwordser zwordser wrote:

Sure, I'm well aware that almost anything is order-able online--that's how I get most of my newer music. I'd rather not if I can find the CD. That's part of the reason for the post: if it's simple chance that I haven't found it, I'll figure I can hold out until I run across it (as I have a pretty mobile lifestyle). If its that it hasn't been released on CD, or some other reason, maybe I'll just go ahead and either order the CD or download the album. 
It's been released on CD a number of times:


I reckon if you keep hitting the stores you'll find one eventually. It's not a rarity by any means.

Ok, that's good to know. Thanks for the answer.  Still, I wonder why so may copies of Head Hunters everywhere in stores, and no Mwandish/Crossings.  Perhaps just popularity.  Might be that I just need to go East sometime, as I'm primarily around the Western U.S.
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They had a couple different editions at my local record store (yes, we have one still!). I got mine on Amazon. Fantastic recording! I love Sextant as well.

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Haven't had a single problem finding Crossing CDs, especiallu-y the ugly Atlantic remaster digipak (with the orange & black spine.

I did once see recently the superb original gatefold sleeve vinyl, but very pricy (it was mint or near mint). I passed up, but changed my mind the next day and it was gone
There is a superb small Atlantic Years boxset that includes Fat Albert, Mwan & Crossing in nthe form of brilliant cardboard sleeve (especially for Crossings), but saddly not sextant (on CBS)

What I would be really looking for in the cardborad sleeve MiniLp of Sextant

If I absolutely love the Mwandishi era, I'm definitely less into the Head Hunters era (though Man Child, I really like)

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

I just want to say that Crossings is a phenomenal album. I would not be without the full Mwandishi trilogy in my collection. And then check out related Mwandishi players stuff if you haven’t yet, as well as some albums with a musical relation.

Aside from "Crossings", "Sextant", and "Mwandishi", albums with a musical relation to it include Eddie Henderson’s “Realization", amazing album I think, and "Inside Out" (if you don't have Anthology, Vol. II), and "Sunburst"; Julian Priester's fantastic "Love, Love" and his "Polarization"; Bennie Maupin's "The Jewel in the Lotus" and "Slow Traffic to the Right"; as well as Buster Williams'"Pinnacle", though I find that more forgettable than the others I mentioned.
Norman Connors' "Dance of Magic" and "Dark of Light"is also an album that I think should appeal to those who enjoy MWandishi style music. And definitely check out Lenny White’s Venusian Summer if you haven’t already.


Clap (though I'm not aware of Norman Connors, but shal investigate aSAP
Any albums to start with?


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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Aside from "Crossings", "Sextant", and "Mwandishi", albums with a musical relation to it include Eddie Hebderson’s “Realization", amazing album I think, and "Inside Out" (if you don't have Anthology, Vol. II), and "Sunburst"; Julian Priester's fantastic "Love, Love" and his "Polarization"; Bennie Maupin's "The Jewel in the Lotus" and "Slow Traffic to the Right"; as well as Buster Williams'"Pinnacle", though I find that more forgettable than the others I mentioned. Norman Connors' "Dance of Magic" and "Dark of Light"is also an album that I think should appeal to those who enjoy MWandishi style music. And definitely check out Lenny White’s Venusian Summer if you haven’t already.
This is a great primer of suggestions on spiritual jazz. I have most of these - several based on your previous recs.

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Originally posted by zwordser zwordser wrote:

Still, I wonder why so may copies of Head Hunters everywhere in stores, and no Mwandish/Crossings.  Perhaps just popularity.
I think it likely is down to popularity. Headhunters sold a boatload more copies than any of his previous albums.
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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Haven't had a single problem finding Crossing CDs, especiallu-y the ugly Atlantic remaster digipak (with the orange & black spine.

I did once see recently the superb original gatefold sleeve vinyl, but very pricy (it was mint or near mint). I passed up, but changed my mind the next day and it was gone
There is a superb small Atlantic Years boxset that includes Fat Albert, Mwan & Crossing in nthe form of brilliant cardboard sleeve (especially for Crossings), but saddly not sextant (on CBS)

What I would be really looking for in the cardborad sleeve MiniLp of Sextant

If I absolutely love the Mwandishi era, I'm definitely less into the Head Hunters era (though Man Child, I really like)



Great, but where are you located? (i'm "Now" too, but aren't we all)--not in the West U.S. I'm thinking. I'm currently in AZ, and recently went to several music stores in Phoenix, thinking for sure I'd find much of what I wanted, including Crossings.  No go with HH, but at least did get a couple great finds.

  In the West, the best stores for variety of CDs/vinyl, including Prog, are on the coast: Portland and San Fran--though I've forgotton the names; haven't gotten out that way for a while.  The one in the Bay area is HUGE, and even has prog/experimental sections for CDs. ....

Actually, I'll look it up....  I'ts Amoeba Music.  Don't remember if I simply didn't find Crossings last I was there, or wasn't thinking about it--I picked up a lot! (3-4 years ago or so).  They also have a location in Berkeley where I was able to grab 3  Hogarth-era Marillion CDs for relatively cheap.


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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

I just want to say that Crossings is a phenomenal album. I would not be without the full Mwandishi trilogy in my collection. And then check out related Mwandishi players stuff if you haven’t yet, as well as some albums with a musical relation.

Aside from "Crossings", "Sextant", and "Mwandishi", albums with a musical relation to it include Eddie Henderson’s “Realization", amazing album I think, and "Inside Out" (if you don't have Anthology, Vol. II), and "Sunburst"; Julian Priester's fantastic "Love, Love" and his "Polarization"; Bennie Maupin's "The Jewel in the Lotus" and "Slow Traffic to the Right"; as well as Buster Williams'"Pinnacle", though I find that more forgettable than the others I mentioned. ]Norman Connors' "Dance of Magic" and "Dark of Light"is also an album that I think should appeal to those who enjoy MWandishi style music. And definitely check out Lenny White’s Venusian Summer if you haven’t already.


Clap (though I'm not aware of Norman Connors, but shall investigate ASAP)

Any albums to start with?


I'd go with the ones mentioned, so start with Dance of Magic (his debut) and then listen to Dark of Light (his second album). To use Mascodogama's apt terminology, it's good spiritual jazz. Some others off the top of my head that I can relate to these, but others might not find quite the same relation, include Sun-Ra's Languidity (for the cosmic jazz), Bob James' One and Freddie Hubbard's Red Clay (which many jazz-heads would know as its quite the classic). And Patrick Gleeson, as a Crossings alumnus, and his great contribution to Lenny White's Venusian Summer, for his electronic/classical crossover album Beyond the Sun should interest various people.

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Some really tasty albums being mentioned in here

Greg used his jazzy Guru skills on me a couple of years back and I can vouch for all the recs he provided. If you’re into jazz with a psychedelic aura about it aka spiritual jazz...well you just hit the motherload!
Add Pharoah Sander’s Karma and perhaps something from the new cats, fx Nat Birchall’s Sacred Dimension https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QzkKoNV0C7w , and you should be good to go - cool as a cucumber and stoically hip..like a levitating beatnik in short shorts

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I went to a vinyl market before to be locked in my room and CD was the Eldorado. Some CDs of the end of the eighties cost the same price than the original Lps. The Bowie's albums on RCA are around 150 USD each. Plenty of CD are disappearing. Try to buy today Tim Buckley's Starsailor current edition and you will see wwhat I mean. The 10CC albums are still avalaible at a fair price and sound fantastic compared the horrible remastered edition. Just a thought.
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