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Zombiezilla
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First post here! First of all, I guess I will give my Marillion background. I first became interested in them through an article in Kerrang! There was a picture of Fish and underneath it said "Progressive Punk?" At the time I was full on into the Punk scene, and had very little understanding of what Prog was. But the picture interested me, as the full face paint was unique, and looked very cool. I was 15 at the time. So on a trip to a record shop I walked into the cassette racks, saw Fugazi and Script and asked the guy if I could get some cassettes. "Sure" he said, "which ones?" I pointed to them and said "Those Marillion ones." He stopped dead in his tracks. He has never had anybody come in and ask for Marillion, of whom he was a diehard fan. On top of that he was shocked that this kid was asking for them.
I took the cassettes home, threw Fugazi in and was blown away. Yes, they sounded somewhat like Genesis, but I was completely unfamiliar with the Gabriel era (this was around '84 or '85 so all anybody heard was Collins stuff in the US), so Marillion sounded completely unique to me. I was in love.
That love exploded when they released Misplaced Childhood, an album I still consider to being one of the only perfect albums ever created. For the life of me I can not find anything I would change on that album. Pure perfection.
My love of Marillion would eventually cause me to be a complete freak amongst my friends. Like I said, I was 100% Punk. BUT, I suddenly found myself falling in love with Prog. There I was, the Punk with his leather jacket painted up with GBH, Discharge, The Damned, Verbal Assault, The Exploited, etc. But mixed in with all of those bands I had the logos for Marillion, Eloy, Yes, Genesis (I eventually fell in love with them, yes), IQ, etc.
When Fish left Marillion I was devastated. I still remember the Kerrang cover with Rothery and Kelly pointing into the empty fish tank, and the sign in it that said "No Fish-in." Without reading the article I knew what it meant, and I screamed in the middle of the record shop.
I was hesitant about H, and I was less than impressed with "Hooks In You." Season's End had moments, but it still felt off in some ways. There were Marillion bits in there, but for the most part it felt like Marillion b-sides. I enjoyed Vigil a bit more, but was still not happy with the obvious fact that both sides seemed to need each other.
Then Holidays came out. I was done. I could not believe that the band I loved sooooo much had indeed followed the Genesis path and gone 100% bad Pop. I struggled with what they had become, but I still swore I would continue to buy their material, holding out hope.
Then they came to the US on tour for the Holidays album. I got tickets and figured "what the heck." While in line at the show I saw the record shop guy from all those years ago. I actually struck up a conversation with him. He did actually remember me. He promised me that after seeing the show I would have a whole new love for the band. He was right. Even the poppy stuff sounded great, and H was an amazing front man.
In all honesty, though, I would eventually find my love for them again no matter what. Brave came out and I was shocked. The Pop was gone. The darkness that had infiltrated Clutching had completely returned, and intensified. Brave became as close an equal to Misplaced as any album ever could.
From there on out I stuck with Marillion, finding This Strange Engine to being on the same grounds almost as Brave. They went up and down for me after that, though. I hate Radiohead and for me Marillion started to sound too much like them. The last one I bought was Anoraknophobia. I have missed buying them, but at about that same time I kind of finally fell out of love with Prog. Not sure why, I just got a little tired of it all.
So, why am I back here. Well, while on a trip out to Colorado this year I took in a concert at Red Rocks. It was Styx with Yes. It was a last minute venture. There were odd things to lead up to it, but it all started bringing me back to the Prog world. I took my 13 year old daughter to the show. It was Kayleigh's very first show, by the way. When we got back into town, I bought the new Yes CD. My daughter LOVES it.
So then my Prog interest started up again. I got new headphones recently. Best pair I have ever had. I sat there thinking "what would be ideal for a first spin?" Well, it was getting dark out, I was exhausted, stressed out about personal issues, and just kind of at wits end. Brave was the only thing I could think to listen to. It had been a few years since I had given it a spin. I don't think it ever sounded better than it did then.
From there I have gone full-tilt back. Getting the newest Eloy, the last Spock's Beard. I was back with Prog, with new snazzy headphones.
So then I found this joint. Read all of the posts. Was convinced it was time to open my mind to Marillion again. Let my former favorite band back into my head. All of your comments about Marbles made me decide it was time to give that one a shot. So I got the double disc. I listened to the first disc this morning. I can only wonder why I ever walked away now.
For the record, I would take H Marillion over solo Fish any day. I also do not think Fish could have ever been in this band. They've gone into territory I think he would have been lost in. His melodies just could not have worked with what these guy became. I still love Fish, but what happened was the best thing that could have happened for Marillion, I think.
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As much as I love what Fish did with Marillion, I am so immensely satisfied with Steve Hogarth. I cannot imagine him not heading the band right now. Never once wished for Fish back. I do like, and even love some, of Fish's solo work. Traveled quite far several times just to see him. |
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I have only been able to go to one show in the past. It was excellent. I look forward to Chicago this summer. You and your girlfriend will have a wonderful time. |
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Ordered tix for June 23 in Chi Town. Anyone else going?
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The guy whose house I first listened to Brave at just dropped me a line to let me know about the Chicago shows. I am thinking I might take them both in. I will speak with the wife tomorrow. She LOVES Holidays in Eden and loved them when we saw them on that tour. I am betting I can get her to go.
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Hey Zombiezilla, it sounds like your Marillion listening history was a bit like mine - started out on the Fish stuff, grew to love the H era, but parted ways at around about the time of Anoraknophobia.
That being the case, I can heartily recommend Marbles (get the 2CD version because the 1CD one misses out some great tracks) - it's an incredible return to form.
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Zombiezilla
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Yup, Anaraknophobia was the definite departing point for me with Marillion. I finished listening to Marbles last night, and I absolutely LOVE it. I've decided to go ahead and get Somewhere Else (even though reviews are less than favorable) and then get all set for Road.
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and again... may I suggest you start listening to Edison's Children?
The new concept album "In The Last Waking Moments..." is the ONLY non-Marillion album ever released to feature EVERY CURRENT MARILLION MEMBER! that's because... it's really good! ;p
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Let's make Prog a family again. Tired of Snobbery and trolling. We all have a right to love what and who we love so lets respect and appreciate all who care about the finest music in the world... prog
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A big warm welcome to The Round Table to the new guys. Some very nice stories there, and I look forward to discussing all things Marillion with you both.
It's so nice to see the appreciation of Hogarth growing.
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It's on my too get list, honest!
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My appreciation of him started back when I saw him on the Holidays tour. It then went through the roof with This Strange Engine. I still think that album is a bit of a masterpiece for him showing off his vocals. He does stuff on that thing that still send my head spinning. He really showed off his power.
When I started to fall out of love with him was when the only CD of Marillion's that my wife would listen to was the Made Again live disc. In all honesty, I would rather never hear Hogarth do another Fish tune ever again. I lose some enjoyment for him when he does those songs, as I don't think he does them very well and they really do not suit him at all. It would be like hearing Fish do new Marillion, the styles just clash.
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What Fish-era tunes do they do these days? I saw the HiE tour as well, and I seem to recall "Garden Party". Not sure if there were any others. I agree that in general H singing Fish-era tunes doesn't seem quite right. GP was OK, but anything else...
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I admit I haven't kept up with their live set very much - I'm very fond of Fish-era live stuff but I feel less need to go after live material from the H era - but from the set lists I have seen, it seems that pre-H stuff is a rare, rare treat rather than being a regular feature of the set lists.
They do occasionally revisit that material - there's tracks from the last three Fish albums on the five-disc Holidays In Zelande set they're bringing out - but at this point there's *so much* H-era stuff that it's hard enough to cover that material in a setlist. Regularly including Fish stuff would just create even more headaches.
Though I hear if you request Grendel at a Marillion gig they are always happy to comply. They love that. |
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Crazy that of all their early stuff it is "Grendel" that they are cool with busting out.
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Is anybody going to see Marillion next Tuesday at the HMV Institute in Birmingham? I will be going on my own, sadly (no offense) nobody in England seems to know my favourite band. I have lived here for 8 years now and have to say that Prog Rock is much more popular else where, but England.
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Sadly not, but have a great time! I want them to come back to Wales.
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Being in the US means my chances of seeing them is always a rarity. Do have a great time, though.
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They are in America in June, where about in US you are?
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It's not that far from Wales, I usually have to fly to Poland to see my favourite’s bands. |
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