The Marillion Round Table
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Topic: The Marillion Round Table
Posted By: E-Dub
Subject: The Marillion Round Table
Date Posted: July 25 2009 at 09:52
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Even though I remember them from the 80's, I've been heavy into Marillion for about 5 years now. In that short amount of time, I've been able to acquire pretty much their entire catalog in discs and DVD's (I still need the newly remastered live discs from the Fish era). And, with my membership to the Front Row Club and the WebUK, I have an assortment of live discs from Hogarth's very first live performance in Paris, to several performances from the Happiness Is The Road tour. All of this is topped off by my attending the North Amercian convention in Montreal in April, and will most assuredly go down as (one of) the greatest live music experiences of my life. I have to really watch myself with Marillion. If I find myself listening to them too much, I must shelve them for a period; however, every time I re-visit them and hear the brilliant music that they continue to produce, it just reaffirms what I love and admire about this band. So, being that we're seeing a lot of "appreciation threads", I thought I'd start one of my favorite and learn what makes them special for you. Favorite discs, songs and experiences can be expressed freely. E ------------- 
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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: July 25 2009 at 10:12
| All about Fish for me. Kelly plays some nice piano, especially on Script.. song, Trewavas's basslines on some songs, especially He Knows You Know, remind me of Geddy Lee for some reason and Rothery has a nice blend of Gilmour and Hackett, coming up with tearing solos that are often as memorable as the stuff those two legends have produced. But Fish...the man has become my favourite prog rock singer. His strengths in terms of flexing his voice to alter the mood and to emote very convincingly and directly in ways I have never heard from any other prog rock singer far outweigh the limitations of his range. The band produced a great blend of driving, rockin' music with the theatrical and poetic flavour of say Genesis. As for Hogarth, I have only heard one album of the ones he did with Marillion and didn't like his vocals at all, so pass. |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: July 25 2009 at 10:28
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I'm a Johnny Come Lately to Marillion, given I had never even heard of them until after discovering Transatlantic, for whom Pete Trewavas played bass. But upon discovering Marillion I jumped into the pool with both feet and have acquired all of their studio albums from both eras and I have been pleasantly happy with all of them. Of course, some more than others, but for the most part, I have not been disappointed with any of their releases. ------------- 
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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: July 25 2009 at 14:00
Eric - firstly, big clappies to you for starting this thread We have spoke a few times about the band, and neither of us need to be converted, but I hope this thread will persuade a few more people that the band did not end after Fish left. As I post this, I am listening to Thirteenth Star, a great LP, and we thoroughly enjoyed seeing Fish in Pontardawe, South Wales, last year. Fish was the original reason that I, as a younger and especially classic Genesis prog freak, went to London to see them at the Marquee before most people had even heard of them. I followed them throughout. The Garden Party in Milton Keynes to celebrate the success of Misplaced Childhood was a seminal moment, when I knew that neo prog could combine great music and commercial success. Fish left, and then this bloke from The Europeans, who Fish had actually exalted on a BBC programme a couple of years before, took over. I saw him at Wolverhampton Civic Hall, brought Seasons End, and the love affair started all over again. I almost gave up after Holidays in Eden, a shocking album, but Brave put its hooks in me, and I have kept the faith ever since. Forget The Lamb, TAAB, and all - Brave is simply the most intense and beautiful concept album ever made. The break from EMI gave us This Strange Engine, a remarkably beautiful creation, and from then on in, the music has been driven by the fans, and not by the record companies. I defy anyone to listen to Marbles and not be blown away by the creative emotional force behind the lyrics and musicianship. The latest, HITR, shows the band at their creative finest, with tracks such as Essence and Real Tears for Sale proving that they are still capable of tearing away all of the conventional prog boundaries. I look forward to contributing to this thread for many years to come, and invite all sceptics and fans alike to join in the celebration of the finest band ever to walk and play this earth. Cheers Eric.  ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: July 25 2009 at 15:57
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Thanks, Steve. If there is one thing that makes me satisfied is to see Hogarth get more and more respect around the Archives. I felt like I was a lone voice in the forest when I first came on, but have really seen more and more support for this truly remarkable frontman. I gained a whole new respect for him after Montreal. I guess that's what I appreciate so much is how they do keep pushing the boundaries. You can't accuse them of doing the same thing over and over. And what can you say that hasn't already been said about Marbles. It's an absolutely amazing disc...and is a masterpiece. Especially songs like "Ocean Cloud" and "Neverland". During "Neverland" at the convention when you have that brief moment of silence right before Rothery's first guitar solo, I just said out loud to a guy with whom I befriended that last 2 nights down on the floor, "Here he goes..." and the solo just resonated. Absolutely mindblowing. I'll never forget Montreal. E -------------
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: July 25 2009 at 16:58
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Posted By: Moatilliatta
Date Posted: July 25 2009 at 17:22
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I don't have anything elaborate to say, but I do love a handful of their works. ------------- www.last.fm/user/ThisCenotaph  
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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: July 25 2009 at 18:21
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I used to love the Fish era back in the 80s and saw the band twice at that time. Nowadays I can't get into those Fish albums much. But I have discovered the Hogarth era. I started with Brave and was captivated by that album. Really wonderful stuff. I'm now onto my 2nd "new era" album in "Sunlight" and the jury is still out. I'm trying to decide what my next step should be. I love the atmosphere of Brave and the willingness to be patient. I also love the story they wrote about recording the album, the ghosts they felt, etc. |
Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: July 25 2009 at 18:52
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I have only ever got in to the Fish era - Fugazi being my personal favourite. Which Hogarth album is most widely regarded? ------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: July 25 2009 at 19:39
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Brave and Marbles are considered masterpieces from the Hogarth era. I'd have to agree. E -------------
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Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: July 26 2009 at 01:45
Fugazi is also my favourite from FISH You can't miss BRAVE or MARBLES, as E said. Both amazing stuff. The first time I ever heard Marillion was on the DREAM THEATER: 5 YEARS IN A LIVETIME DVD, where Steve Hogarth and Steve Rothery played EASTER with Dream Theater. Thus began my obsession. The first album I bought was MISPLACED CHILDHOOD, and this was what got me into the band. Shortly after, I bought B'SIDES THEMSELVES, SEASON'S END and FUGAZI. Fugazi became my favourite up to that point, and I continued to fall in love with the band. After I tired those out a little, I continued to feed the obsession and bought THIS STRANGE ENGINE,CLUTCHING AT STRAWS and SCRIPT FOR A JESTER'S TEAR, both amazing. Since then, I've bought HAPPINESS IS THE ROAD, then BRAVE, AFRAID OF SUNLIGHT, SOMEWHERE ELSE, and just last week, MARBLES. I've also bought the two FISH era live albums, REEL TO REAL and LA GAZZA LADRA. Thats basically the story of my ever-growing love for Marillion... Only 3 studio albums to go, and I'll be done 
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Chris S wrote:Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: July 26 2009 at 01:46
Your next choice from the H era should probably be... MARBLES - Also insanely good. -------------
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: July 26 2009 at 08:07
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Sort of how my obsession started out, Joel. It's like once I heard one disc, it was a mission to get another disc. I had always heard that Fish left the band and some new guy stepped in. I just never paid much attention, even though I liked songs like "Kayleigh" and "Incommunicado". A buddy of mine sent me Six Of One, Half Dozen Of The Other to start off with. First song was "Cover My Eyes (Pan And Heaven)" and I thought, "Cool song. Poppy, but cool." Second song was "Kayleigh" and it was really good to hear it again after so many years. After that, I was never the same again because I was hit with "Easter" and was completely blown away...and it's still my favorite Marillion song. That's when I really took notice. I look over at my media shelf here in our little home office and can't believe all the Marillion stuff I've acquired. It's weird, Joel. I know of a lot of people who don't only love the band, but it becomes an obsession. My friend with whom I hung out in Montreal was dragged to a Marillion show in Washington DC on the Marbles tour and she was blown away, too. She's been to several Los Trios gigs here in the States, flew to Holland to attend the convention over there in 2007 and the one in Montreal. It's amazing the effect this band has. And I never thought I'd get to see them live. When the North American convention was announced and I presented the idea to my wife, she didn't even have to think twice in giving me her blessing. The live experience was (in a word) magic. I'll never forget it. E -------------
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: July 26 2009 at 08:09
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I did get the Early Stages box set for Father's Day. Some of the best live stuff from the Fish era that I've heard. I would still like to get these remasters of Recital, Magpie, and Loreley, though. And Steve mentioned 13th Star. Absolutely brilliant disc! I think it's Fish's masterpiece and is extremely emotive. E -------------
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Posted By: Jake Kobrin
Date Posted: July 26 2009 at 09:50
Can someone please help me get into this band??? I own both S f a J's T and Misplaced Childhood (an Austrian version with Austrian and German tour dates on it...  ). I find the emotion to be quite... forced... and campy in a way. (Actually I find them to be blatantly cheesy.) The problem is that I'm not someone that gravitates towards lyrics at all and they are essentially a vocal-centric band and the instrumentation isn't quite interesting enough to pull me in. Also I'm not to fond of the Fish's voice (and neither am I too fond of Peter Gabriel's  )It's a shame because the album artwork is damn cool... ------------- http://www.facebook.com/pages/Dr-Neil-Kobrin/244687105562746" rel="nofollow - SUPPORT MY FATHER AND BECOME A FAN Jacob Kobrin Illustration |
Posted By: Jake Kobrin
Date Posted: July 26 2009 at 09:51
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P.S. Sorry for bringing this up in an appreciation thread... I know it's rude.
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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: July 26 2009 at 10:04
I think you're right Joel, Marbles, or perhaps that Strange Engine one. People tell me Seasons End is great too. |
Posted By: rdtprog
Date Posted: July 26 2009 at 10:10
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I had three phases with my reunion with Marillion PHASE 1 : The Lightening Experience with The Fish period (5 years of true happiness) PHASE 2 : The Frustration of a Divorce with the Departure of Fish (20 years)  PHASE 3 : Reconcilliation with the band with the cd Happiness is The Road (a year)  It took me 21 years to accept the new singer... Now i can appreciate Marillion music without comparaison to Fish. ------------- Music is the refuge of souls ulcerated by happiness. Emile M. Cioran |
Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: July 26 2009 at 12:35
Seasons End is actually quite awesome. Just how the music builds and builds on "King Of Sunset Town" when introducing the new singer is brilliant. They did SE in it's entirety at the convention, and it was so incredible. The title track, "Berlin" and "The Space" were just stunning (the latter two especially). My only complaint with the performance is they were commemorating the 20th anniversary of the album, so they were doing is pretty much as it was on the studio album (H didn't do the "Emmanuel" section prior to the title track like he normally does), so I found it only fitting that "Easter" include Hogarth's contribution on keyboards. Up until the Anoraknophobia tour, Hogarth played the synth parts during the chorus and the synth solo prior to Rothery's guitar solo. He really should've done that at the convention, but he didn't. I actually miss that little synth during the chorus. E -------------
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: July 26 2009 at 12:38
I love Misplaced and CaS, but I do find the vocals on the first two to be a bit grating for me. I do see your point, though. I think that's one reason I tend to gravitate towards the Hogarth because (to me) the emotion seems more natural. It's too bad that the Brave Live 2002 DVD is out of print because aside of being right there at a live performance, this DVD really shows Hogarth in his element and full of emotion. E -------------
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: July 26 2009 at 12:44
Do you have Marbles? I think that one (and Brave) is still the high water mark for the Hogarth era. That's just me, though. On night one after SE, "The Bell And The Sea" and "The Release", they did nothing but new material from HITR and it killed. "The Man From Planet Marzipan" was especially cool. Night #2 they were playing a song or two from every album since Hogarth joined (plus "Slainte Mhath" and "Garden Party") and they included "State Of Mind", which had been oddly omitted from the tour. It's actually one of my favorite songs from the new album and it was incredible live. One of the highlights from that night. E -------------
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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: July 26 2009 at 12:50
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Eric, I loved Brave as you know, but to be completely honest I thought the conceptual film rather sucked. Check my review if you want the reasons why, but what did you think? Weren't you disappointed that video represents such a fine album? |
Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: July 26 2009 at 12:56
Oh, the movie was excruciating. A buddy loaned it to me and very glad I didn't get it. I was referring to the live performance DVD through Racket. E -------------
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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: July 26 2009 at 13:01
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Live DVD sounds tantalizing......
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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: July 26 2009 at 13:18
The film was a real disappointment, but I think that is really because it is one of those albums where the story and the sheer emotion of the girl throwing herself off Bristol Severn Bridge is simply something that has to be imagined in your own head. There are some pieces that should not be committed to video or film - strangely enough, I thought the same with the movie of The Wall. It spoiled for me the images I had in my head. Eric is right about the live DVD, it is awesome. I would also recommend that all visitors to this thread get Marbles On The Road as well, which I think is the finest live recording of this or any other band in existence. ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: rdtprog
Date Posted: July 26 2009 at 13:44
I know all the cd of Marillion, Brave and Marbles are really good and i could add Seasons End. One think is sure with this band. They are one of the most productive bands on earth, with a cd and a dvd each year. Do you think that if Fish was still there, the band would have put that much albums? ------------- Music is the refuge of souls ulcerated by happiness. Emile M. Cioran |
Posted By: Conor Fynes
Date Posted: July 26 2009 at 15:20
| I bought 'Anoraknophobia' as my first Marillion CD a few days ago and I love it. I'm suprised it's rated so low on this site, because there are a few songs on there ('This Is The 21st Century') that are phenomenal. |
Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: July 26 2009 at 16:43
It's very cool. They re-create the stage show from the actual Brave tour. Even though Hogarth doesn't get into the stage antics like Fish, he did add theatrics during this tour. For example: slowly destroying a bouquet of roses during "Runaway" or having 3 masked men dragging him off during the final parts of "Hard As Love". Greg Walker actually has copies of Marillion's final performance on the Brave tour in Mexico City called Chemicals In The Water. They played a huge arena on a massive stage in front of thousands, so it's great to see this massive production. The only problem is Hogarth is having problems with his keyboards and only the piano function was working; so, he couldn't really do anything during songs like "The Great Escape", "Easter", etc., but could play piano during "Hollow Man" and such. As for the Brave Live 2002 DVD and CD, they're both out of print...which I find unfortunate. Glad I have my copies, though. E -------------
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: July 26 2009 at 16:49
I've loved Anoraknophobia since the first time I heard it. I think the current trend they have of producing 2 critically acclaimed albums started with Anoraknophobia. I have a tough time with This Strange Engine and Dotcom (even though "This Strange Engine" and "Interior Lulu" are top shelf), but think they were on to something with Anoraknophobia. Last night I watched the Before First Light DVD (Afraid Of Sunlight in it's entirety at the 2003 convention, plus "Faith" and "Easter") and got to thinking that the crowd had no idea what they had in store for them the following year. They were still in the middle of recording Marbles, so the crowd was clueless as to the brilliance they were about to experience. E -------------
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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: July 26 2009 at 16:50
| Did anyone read interviews about the band members feelings about the conceptual Brave video? I can't imagine they were satisfied with that. And I wonder why they tried something so literal, especially once they saw the early screenplay... |
Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: July 26 2009 at 16:52
I've often wondered that. Who knows what would've happened. After reading the book Separated Out, I think by that time the two camps needed to get away from each other. From what I understand, Fish and Rothery darn near came to blows several times during the recording of Clutching At Straws. In answering your question, I doubt if Marillion would even be around today had Fish stayed on. I seriously don't. E -------------
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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: July 26 2009 at 16:52
| Netflix has "Somewhere in London" on DVD. Shall I try that one out? |
Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: July 26 2009 at 16:54
And get the expanded edition through Racket. You get the second night (sans Marbles), which includes songs such as "Quartz", "Afraid Of Sunlight", "Easter", etc. Somewhere In London is probably my favorite. I did see snippits of the upcoming DVD from this past year's convention in Holland, and it looks to be their slickest production yet. E -------------
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: July 26 2009 at 16:55
By all means. Does it have the bonus disc, which has a stirring performance of "Ocean Cloud"? E -------------
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Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: July 26 2009 at 17:24
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I first got into Marillion with the album Misplaced Childhood back in 85. I loved the dark lyrics and the early-genesis sound that they captured, of course with an 80's feel. Then I got SFAJT, which took me quite awhile to get into. At first, I only liked the title track. But, as with a lot of prog, after many listens it grew on me more and more. Then I got Fugazi, which I liked a lot, but not as much as the other two. Then CAS came out, and again, it took me quite awhile to get into, but once I did, it became my favorite Marillion album and remains so to this day.
When Season's End came out, I was expecting to be disappointed, but was quite pleasantly surprised by what I found there. And this one remains among my favorites today. A little disappointed with their sophomore effort with h when it first came out, and still find it one of their poppier efforts, but it has grown on me over the years, and I find it quite an enjoyable listen. While Brave is probably their most expansive concept in their history, I have always had trouble with this album for reasons that are still unknown to me to this day.
But then they hit with two masterpieces in a row for me. AoS and TSE were both incredible albums and when I play them today, there's still something new I discover. Was very disappointed with Radiation and Marillion.com though, which caused me to skip Anoraknophobia and Marbles (although I later acquired Marbles, I still have yet to give it a listen
 ). Got Somewhere Else though and liked it quite a lot as well as Happiness is the Road. Looking forward to their next one. And to listening to Marbles finally. One thing that I really like about h-era Marillion is that they are not a stagnant band. They always seem to be moving on, exploring new territory, and while I may not always like the direction they move in, they eventually come around to territory I like.
I would talk about Fish's solo career, of which I'm also a huge fan, but then this would be a much longer post. ------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you? |
Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: July 26 2009 at 18:00
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Actually, Chester brings up a whole new discussion: Somewhere Else. I've heard a lot of mixed messages with this release...with a lot of negatives that seem to outnumber the positives. So much so that I guess Mike Hunter really got upset over the backlash (h even mentions it on one of the FRC discs [I think the London Forum gig on the HITR tour). What does everyone think about it? Personally, I love it. I still enjoy it quite a bit and it has two of my all time favorites in "The Other Half" and "Somewhere Else". It's nowhere near Brave, but I think it suffers from coming after Marbles. And, Chester, you really need to listen to Marbles. E -------------
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Posted By: g0rd0nb0mbay
Date Posted: July 26 2009 at 18:32
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I really enjoy marillion and have heard alot of stuff (from both era) through last.fm but only own a physical copy of misplaced childhood, which should i get on cd next? do i continue getting the fish era records then move on to the hogarth era? im very open to any album (they arent exactly alot of money on amazon;)
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: July 26 2009 at 20:08
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I'm a bigger fan of the latter part of the Fish era than the earlier part. As far as that era goes, I'd get Clutching At Straws. You really need to add Brave. It's simply a stunning disc. Very emotional and atmospheric. Marbles, Afraid Of Sunlight, Seasons End and Happiness Is The Road would come next. E -------------
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: July 26 2009 at 20:21
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Somewhere Else is just not remarkable. I'd give it 2.5/5 (mostly because I need to stop homogenizing my ratings). The title song is excellent, "The Wound," "The Last Century for Man, "and "A Voice from the Past" are great, "The Other Half," "Faith," and "No Such Thing" are pretty good, and everything else is kind of annoying and mediocre. I don't mind this album, but it gets a mild regard for having little character. Even marillion.com has more charm to it that Somewhere Else.
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: July 26 2009 at 20:32
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Whether it was the right thing to do or not, I think they went in to the studio to make an album that was 180° from Marbles. That disc has almost developed iconic status within the Marillion discography, but I don't think they dared repeating it. Same can be said with the follow up to Brave. It got so far away from the Brave formula. I think it's good for a band to do that. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Still, "Somewhere Else" is still one of my favorite Marillion songs. Amazing song. E -------------
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Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: July 27 2009 at 01:22
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Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: July 27 2009 at 01:26
Season's End has a couple of mindblowingly good tracks, and I highly reccomend you get it, but I will say that it is more of a straight up Rock album than prog... It has its prog moments, but off the bat its much more straight up 80's/90's rock n roll... But its worth every penny. So I'd say definitely get it, but Don't expect a prog masterpiece like BRAVE or MARBLES. -Joel -------------
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: July 27 2009 at 06:53
The only song I can't quite get into is "The Last Century For Man". Everybody detests "Most Toys", but I like the tune. E -------------
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: July 27 2009 at 06:57
The only song that really strikes me as a straight up rock song is "Hooks In You". That's just me, though. Seasons End sort of continues where Clutching At Straws left off. That's when the music started to change and the rest felt that Fish didn't fit in with the future plans. E -------------
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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: July 27 2009 at 13:31
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I think that Season's End is a far better and more direct album than its predecessor, and when that opening burst gives way to Hogarth on King of Sunset Town, the true fan just knew that everything was going to be alright. There were some interesting comments about follow ups to epic albums. Holidays in Eden is, to me, the worse album they ever made, and certainly put a lot of people off. Good job this was followed up with Brave, one of the finest albums ever made by anyone. I enjoyed Afraid of Sunlight, and I think it is one of my most played Marillion LPs. Certainly, I feel that one of the tests of a good work is that you will still go back to it and listen out of pleasure, rather than mere curiousity, over and over many years after the album's release. AOS passes that test in spades. Beautiful is their best single ever, a wondrous track, the tribute to Donald Campbell, Out of this World, is still played live and exceptionally, Beyond You features an exquisite Hogarth vocal, whilst King has to be one of the most epic ends to any album. It rocks with such a huge intensity. I think Radiation is a much underrated LP, especially the recurrent Now She'll Never Know sequence. It was a great follow up to This Strange Engine, which was, of course, a seminal moment in the band's career and move to independence, both financially and creatively. I'm sorry, but I really do not rate Somewhere Else. Of course, any follow up to the incredible Marbles was always going to be tough, and I respect the band for trying something different, but the LP is fractured, way too introspective concentrating almost entirely on Hogarth's marital problems, and I hardly play it now, aside from the title track, The Last Century for Man, and Faith, which are the album's highlights. I am also aghast at how low the PA rating for HITR is - only 3.43? That MUST improve, because it is a superb work. I only hope that Somewhere Else was an aberration, and the acoustic album promised in the Autumn, and the main follow up next year will continue this rich vein of form. Sorry all - I've gone on far too long there, but plenty of things to consider and discuss ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: July 27 2009 at 19:17
Seasons End: Steve, I really wish I was around back when Seasons End came out. I've never been one to be bothered by a new singer coming into a band (for the most part), so I love to have been a part of that anticipation. That's why I think it's so brilliant to have that extended lead in for "King Of Sunset Town". Holidays In Eden: I can certainly see where this sags between Seasons End and Brave, but I just love "Splintering Heart", "The Party" and even "Cover My Eyes (Pain And Heaven)". Holidays is a middle of the road album for me. Don't love it, don't hate it. Afraid Of Sunlight: Simply brilliant. In my opinion, I think this collection is Hogarth's finest vocal performance. I'm not sure why it distinguishes itself from the others, but Hogarth just puts so much emotion and exhibits so much range. Beautiful album. And "Out Of This World" was such a highlight from the convention, as they played the old news footage of Donald Campbell's tragic attempt. Radiation: On night 2 when the band was playing songs from each album, Hogarth referenced Radiation with a tongue-in-cheek snide, "fan favorite" comment. To be honest, I'm not sure why this disc gets so much criticism. As a whole, I like it better than either album that came before and after. "These Chains" is a great song, as is "Cathedral Wall". The latter is very sinister in feel and execution. They also did this at the convention and it friggin' rocked! Lastly, I'm having a tough time looking forward to Less=More. I hope it hits me off guard, but I hope it doesn't take time away from an album of all new material. I'm looking forward more to the convention DVD and (hopefully) live CD. E -------------
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: July 28 2009 at 19:19
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Listened to Radiation today: grossly underrated album. I also had a major goosebump moment yesterday while listening to Marbles. The part right before the guitar solo on "Fantastic Place" when h observes that he "sees the island behind your tired, troubled eyes" and it goes right into the guitar solo. Chokes me up every time. E -------------
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: July 28 2009 at 19:25
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Marbles > Brave How bout them apples? ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: July 28 2009 at 19:42
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Not a new statement. I've heard a ton of people say it's their favorite. Can't say that I blame them. E -------------
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: July 28 2009 at 23:50
If they're is a bomb about to dropped on Marillion appreciation, I am out of here.  Here's my Marillion story and I better make it quick: Started off with Script, lost touch, reacquainted with Afraid, was not afraid of Brave (enjoyed it), kept following and getting their new albums ever since. I must admit I am a bit of a lukewater fan these days. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: July 29 2009 at 01:38
Good story! On the note os SFAJ'sT, I really didn't think it was that great. Other than the Title track, Garden Party and Forgotten Sons, I couldn't really get into it. -Joel -------------
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: July 29 2009 at 05:04
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^^Overrated, in my opinion. Never could quite get into it, either. E -------------
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Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: July 29 2009 at 05:09
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Definitely overrated, but still, those 3 tracks are masterpieces. Tonight I'm going to listen to BRAVE... Loud, with the lights off! -Joel -------------
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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: July 29 2009 at 14:41
Further to this, and Eric's comments, I think that people have to remember the context in which the album, and the whole new 2nd wave of prog, came about in the 80's. The so called golden era of prog was over. Genesis had moved on to the phase which most people on this forum, but not me, utterly hated, Yes were all over the place, King Crimson was still moribund, ELP no more. I could go on, but you get my point. There was a real danger that those of us who loved 70's prog would forever be harking back to a long lost era, with nothing to replace it. Then along comes this band, who quite deliberately made themselves sound like Gabriel ear Genesis, with an extremely charismatic face painted frontman, who told stories in both the lyrics and stage shows, and actually made a virtue of playing songs longer than three minutes. They also very succinctly echoed the trials, fears, and realities of modern life to people such as me in their late teens/early twenties, and also made a point of integrating some of the punk mentality into their ethos. It was magical, and SFAJT epitomises that approach perfectly. It was also great musically. Chelsea Monday, Forgotten Sons, and the title track still sound fantastic, even after all these years. I had The Web on last night, and really enjoyed it. ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: July 29 2009 at 14:43
Whoever says that H lacks emotion really should check themselves into their nearest doctor's surgery. That passage, and the resulting guitar solo, never ever fail to move me. The same is true of Neverland, a track I feel is unparalleled in terms of sheer emotion. ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: July 29 2009 at 15:17
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I very much agree with Lazland on the early Fish incarnation of Marillion. I was a fan (of the worst kind) and I went tosee them twice in 1982. Once in a tiny club called the 'Sound Cellar' in Cambridge with probably about 40 other people. No real stage and it was fantastic to see Fish et all up so close. It was really prog with a bit of attitude and humour in the mix.
Then saw them later the same year at the Limit in Sheffield with a couple of hundred I guess and the atmosphere was great and they played Grendel this time which I was hoping for. When we were waiting for the band to go on I found I was standing right next to Fish who was chatting with another fan I doubt if he did that for much longer. Really nice guy though.
My entire collection is shown below. Didn't even buy the album I don't think it did them justice. Listening to the live versions was always preferable to me.
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: July 29 2009 at 16:07
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I was hoping to get a dialogue going regarding Steve Rothery's side project band The Wishing Tree's new album Ostara. Any interest amongst Marillion fans? If so, please check out this neglected thread. http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=59948 -
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=59948
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: July 29 2009 at 20:14
Hey, Scott. I've been tempted to get the new disc, but haven't pulled the trigger yet. They opened up during #2 of the Marillion convention and were pretty good. The lead singer was mesmerizing...and EASY on the eyes, too. E -------------
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: July 29 2009 at 20:19
I can totally appreciate what Script meant to progressive music. When you put it like that, I do seem a bit hasty. It's still a disc I can't quite get into, but you have forced me to look at it from another point-of-view. E -------------
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Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: July 30 2009 at 04:40
I understand and appreciate the context, and I guess that would be why so many rate it so highly, but I still think there are only 3 genuinely excellent tracks on the album. -Joel -------------
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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: July 30 2009 at 13:44
Done - essential purchase for any Marillion fan, and yes Eric, she is VERY easy on the eye ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: kenmartree
Date Posted: July 30 2009 at 20:31
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Fellow Marillion Fans, I've been away from the forum for quite some time and I return to find this great thread! Rather than jump into the conversation, I'll just tell about how I came to love Marillion. I have told part of this story in other threads, but ... I guess the year was 1983 when I walked into my local record shop a nd saw Script.. on the front display rack with a sign that said "early Genesis type sound". Mind I'm not here to debate whether Fish is more infuenced by Hammill or Gabe, that 's what the sign said and I bought the record.
Now none of my friend know about Marillion at this time and most of my friends where Gabe era Genesis fans so I had my fun with them by putting Script on an unlabelled tape and telling them it was an unreleased demo from between Nursrey Crime and Foxtrot! Yes I know listening to it now 25 years later it seems ridiculous that they could have fallen for it but they did!
So I created a number of Marillion fans back in the 80s and drove up to LA from san diego to see the Fugazi tour. A great show but of course in that time before the information age we only knew what was written on the album liner notes, not much. I followed Marillion until Holidays in Eden and then lost track as I didn't care for Holidays in Eden much.
Then about 3 years ago a buddy of mine from colleage days who knew I liked Marillion told me that they had dumped the record companies to go it themselves on the internet. I googled progressive rock, found PA and read reviews of the many albums they hed released since and decieded to get Marbles. Good call eh!
 Imagine getting to collect over a decade's worth of Marillion albums in a couple of monthes
 Now I mush admit if you ask me my all time favorite band it would still be Genesis c PG, but Marillion would be tied for second with a few other bands, I love them, and have even grown to like a few songs on Holidays though I still feel it's near the bottem of their albums.
Sadly my days of having friend with similar musical tastes are long gone. My wife likes Marillion and her fave song is When I met God, which would be very high on my list as well. But most people I know have know idea who they are, so I turn to you fine people to express my love of this timeless band.
More another day.... Kenmar
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: July 30 2009 at 21:05
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Awesome story. Very cool that you've rediscovered this amazing band. There's talk of their North American convention being held in Las Vegas. Hope you can make it. I attended the Montreal convention in April and was blown away. Have you picked up all of their stuff subsequent to Holidays then? E -------------
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Posted By: kenmartree
Date Posted: July 31 2009 at 07:35
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I still need Radiation but I have everything else. I wanted to make it to Montreal but $$$$$. I live in Oregon
I would be it to Vegas, it''s a lot closer. Kenmar
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Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: July 31 2009 at 07:59
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Do love the Fish Era, all of it.
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Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: July 31 2009 at 08:03
I was in that place for a while... Not that its a bad thing
But E-Dub gave me the best advice for listening to that album/ enjoying it ever! Basically, think about it as a real story - Its a real thing that happened, and although a fictitious story, the ending is the same... I also reccomend "Listening to it in the dark with the lights off" as the DVD reccomends
Not trying to push it on you, hope it doesn't seem that way - Just trying to help you enjoy it
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Posted By: kenmartree
Date Posted: July 31 2009 at 11:35
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I have to agree that Brave is the difficult of their albums to get into. Also that it requires attentiveness, not a casual listen. Add to that it deals with a subject matter that is very dark and people are going to have their own unique reaction to it. Kenmar |
Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: July 31 2009 at 20:21
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_1PiLvqLi8 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_1PiLvqLi8 My favorite live version of this song. 9 1/2 of intensity that just saturates you. Enjoy! E -------------
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Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: July 31 2009 at 22:33
Holy 
Freakin' amazing! I'd say thats the best version I've ever heard/seen... Can I ask, if any, which DVD this is available on? Thanks a ton E! -Joel -------------
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Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: July 31 2009 at 22:41
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Easily better than the original by The Waterboys, and in my top 3 vocal performances ever. Just amazing stuff! -Joel -------------
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Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: August 01 2009 at 04:29
Been listning to the CD again, and it is a great Marrilion album, seems my taste has changed a lot since i
put it on last time, quite a few years ago. Careful not to sound compleetly stupid, i must admit, its infact as
good or even better an album, as Misplaced Childhood or Clutching the straw.
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: August 01 2009 at 04:59
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I just got From Stoke Row to Ipanema and Somewhere in London on DVD. So good. It's especially nice to see interviews with the band on Stoke Row. Next, I'll get Live at Lorely and Wish You Were Here to have a nice sampling of their DVDs before filling in the gaps.
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: August 01 2009 at 06:00
The performance is just gut wrenching. So much emotion. This is taken from the Marbles On The Road DVD. There's a retail version, but the Racket version gives you so much more:
This and Somewhere In London could be the best two DVD's. E -------------
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: August 01 2009 at 06:05
You don't sound stupid at all, my man. To be honest, I couldn't get into Brave in the beginning either. It's just one of those discs that grabs you when you least expect it. I'd snag copies of Marbles, Afraid Of Sunlight and Seasons End. If you like that, get Happiness Is The Road and Anoraknophobia. E -------------
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: August 01 2009 at 06:10
Now THAT is awesome, Joel! Do you have the h Natural Naked In The Chapel DVD? Picked it up in Montreal and enjoyed it a lot more than I thought I would. Thanks for posting. E -------------
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Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: August 01 2009 at 07:52
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: August 01 2009 at 08:19
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Joel, do you have any h era DVD's? You should go after Marbles On The Road and Somewhere In London as soon as you can. Really are the two best so far. From what little I've seen, the DVD from the recent convention could rank up there. Wish You Were Here is VERY good, too. It may be out of print, though. Another one is Christmas In The Chapel from the Anoraknophobia tour. Cozy little gig at the beautiful Union Chapel in London. Awesome show! E -------------
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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: August 01 2009 at 13:54
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Eric, you must be a very proud man, because this thread really is achieving a great outcome. Prog fans discovering, or in some cases, rediscovering a great band. For those who are yearning after the live experiences, in addition to the essential DVDs that Eric has mentioned, I really would recommend going to the Racket Records site and downloading an original live concert recorded by the band directly from the show. My personal favourite is the recording of the Happiness Is The Road gig from Brighton. Incredible interaction with the crowd, and stunning performances of all work from the new album, The Great Escape sounding as fresh as ever, and Invisible Man & Neverland from Marbles simply blowing your mind away. ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: Failcore
Date Posted: August 01 2009 at 18:17
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Marillion sux, they don't have any songs in 23/16. Just kidding ,love the first two and thinking about getting AoS one of these days. ------------- 
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Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: August 01 2009 at 19:17
Wish You Were Here is out of print, and I actually don't currently own any Marillion DVD's... Or h for that matter. 
I'm planning on ordering these two over the next few days - I tried around a month ago, but the VISA world-pay service was down, so it was an incredibly irritating experience to attempt to order anything 
Marillion - This Strange Convention. A 2 Disc 3 concert live DVD - filmed at the 2007 Marillion Convention titled. It features the whole of 'This Strange Engine' performed live, plus the Saturday and Sunday nights as released on the live CD's 'Friends' and 'Family'. Setlist: Disc 1 Man Of A Thousand Faces One Fine Day 80 Days Estonia Memory Of Water An Accidental Man Hope For The Future This Strange Engine The Release Built-in b*****d Radar You Don't Need Anyone Holloway Girl Bedshaped Six Months In A Leaky Boat Number One The King Is Half-Undresses Good Morning Good Morning These Chains Accidents Will Happen The Bell In The Sea She Goes On I Will Walk On Water Toxic Blackberry Way Everybody hurts Money Money Money Hocus Pocus Disc 2 Splintering Heart Hotel Hobbies Warm Wet Circles That Time Of The Night You're Gone Fantastic Place Afraid Of Sunlight Lords Of The Backstage Blind Curve Between You And Me Neverland The Great Escape King The Invisible Man The Space And I'm also looking at: 
Marillion - Somewhere In London Filmed over the final 2 nights of the Somewhere Else album tour at the London Forum in June 2007. Directed and edited by Tim Sidwell (Bootleg Butlins, Something Else), the soundtrack is presented in in both stereo and 5.1 surround sound, mixed by Michael Hunter. This special 2 DVD Extended Edition is available exclusively from Racket Records, which includes the remaining songs played during the 2 nights at the Forum, plus a featurette of competiton winners visit to and exclusive tour rehearsal footage from Marillion's Racket Club studio. Also included are 4 surround sound mixes of Somewhere Else album tracks. The download format of the DVD soundtrack includes the entire set from 'Disc 1' of the 2 DVDs plus the bonus track 'Ocean Cloud' Setlist: Disc 1 Splintering Heart The Other Half You're Gone No Such Thing Faith Thankyou Whoever You Are Fantastic Place The Wound A Voice from the Past Somewhere Else Man of a Thousand Faces Between You and Me King The Release Neverland Disc 2 HERE'S SOME WE PLAYED EARLIER Ocean Cloud Afraid of Sunlight Beautiful Most Toys Estonia Sugar Mice Easter RACKET CLUB REHEARSAL The Last Century for Man Estonia Neverland Faith See it Like a Baby SURROUND SOUND ALBUM MIXES The Wound A Voice from the Past No Such Thing Somewhere Else Both sound amazing, I'm just super irritated with the sites ordering service. A quick question - Does anybody have the This Strange Convention, and if so, is it good?
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: August 01 2009 at 20:19
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Joel, I have it. I've only watched it once, but from what I saw it's very good. This Strange Engine isn't one of my favorites, so the performance isn't as impactful as, say, the Brave, Marbles or Afraid Of Sunlight performances from their DVD's respectively. The Family part of it is pretty awesome, though. I've only watched snippits of the Friends part. I'm not a huge fan of covers, so I've only watched the rarities sections. They do an awesome version of Crowded House's "She Goes On" and Keane's "Bedshaped". Still worth getting, but I'd focus on Somewhere In London or Marbles On The Road first, though. E -------------
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: August 01 2009 at 20:27
Just watched that again. Amazing performance! E -------------
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: August 01 2009 at 20:30
I was a bit skeptical. Hogarth hasn't been received favorably...especially when I first joined PA. I've definitely seen a shift in the past year or so. I have about 4 from that tour, but not that one...I don't believe. The Leeds gig is pretty good. The crowd was really into it, which made an impact on the band. E -------------
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Posted By: kenmartree
Date Posted: August 01 2009 at 21:45
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First of all, thanks to Joel for the awesome link, loved it and will watch over a few times as I don't know the song and it's impact will only increase. I have both Marbles on the Road and Somewhere in London, I re-watched them both today. I am thinking about what Edub said about how people at PA feel about H, gald to here it's changing. I don't need anyone else to feel different though because the way we react to music in so unique and personal. It is so dependent on many factors so that what touches emotional chords in us is different and even if we like the same music, like those of us who like Marillion, we bring our own reasons based on our histories, memories, people and places the music reminds us of. Hope that make sense.
My point here is I read whay to much bickering on the site, take a chill pill. I don't see the point in bashing someone else's taste. I don't understand trolls, I get that they want to elicit a reaction but I don't know why.
Back to H, what I love was right there on the first track, the Invisable Man. His ability to control his voice that allows him to put such emotion, anguish, insanity. Who else cound write a concept song and develop the concept so fully in 13 minutes. How do they do this? H, he takes us inside the mind to the invisable man, on a journey surreal and fantastic, floating hovering and describing what he sees. This song is visceral. I really can't pick a favorite Marillion song but this one it right up there.
Finally I want to add that although I've emphizied H a lot in this post, It is the whole band that make Marillion special, What is amazing is how well H has integrated. Like most I was sad when Fish left the band, put as Edub said that would probably not have lasted much longer if he had stayed. FIshed needed to isolate for awhile and deal with his demons, which he did and I'm happy for him.
So do you share my love for The Invisable Man? Kenmar
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: August 01 2009 at 22:28
I haven't seen videos of the Family concert, but the songs on the album are pretty great. naturally, I like the originals and b-sides more ("The Release" and "Bell in the Sea" in particular--why ever they didn't make it onto Season's End is elusive), but "Toxic" is rather fun. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: August 01 2009 at 23:37
You're welcome for the link Kenmar - Heres the URL to the original (much more upbeat and 80's, and even though The Waterboys are one of my favourite bands, h's version is SO much better http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pu7AR0-FRro - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pu7AR0-FRro ) The part of your quote which is so incredibly true - If you ever review MARBLES, I strongly recommend you include that part! I love INVISIBLE MAN - Amazing opener, and as you said, Marillion accomplish a concept in this track which many bands struggle to establish over the length of an album. Its simply phenomenal! Thanks for the kind words, and you're welcome for the link all! -Joel -------------
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Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: August 01 2009 at 23:38
I actually thought The Release and The Bell In The Sea were better than some of the tracks which made the final cut for Season's End... Both amazing songs in their own right! -Joel -------------
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: August 02 2009 at 00:58
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I still consider "The Invisible Man" an instant classic. The
words paints such a vivid image and I love how the monologue really
takes you inside the mind and the torment. The performance on Marbles On The Road is
stunning. At the convention, h was even more theatrical and animated,
acting out the 'when you stumble, you will stumble through me" by trying to catch her, only to looked shocked that she passed through him as if he wasn't there. Really was something to watch. If I can say something about h, is he turned an otherwise certain disaster during night #3 into one of the most memorable Marillion moments on stage (that was even stated by their manager). His frustration was so thick during the technical problems he was experiencing on "This Strange Engine". He sort of sat down on the drum riser for a bit to gather himself, and it was during Rothery's solo that he did the legendary crowd surfing thing. A lesser frontman would've just choked during what he was going through (and night #3 had it's problems other than the "This Strange Episode"), but he not only reacted like a pro, but created a buzz like you wouldn't believe. And make no mistake, he captivated that crowd for 3 straight nights. I gained a whole new respect for him. After the shows, the band would come out to sign autographs and chat to the fans (I only got to meet Rothery), but everyone was waiting for h. The quintessential showman. Oh, and me and Rothers: 
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Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: August 02 2009 at 01:13
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^^
YOU LUCKY B*****D
Thats great! I'm still hanging out for h or Marillion to come to Australia, as unlikely as it seems 
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: August 02 2009 at 01:40
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How's bout dis... Favorite tracks on B'Sides Themselves? Grendel's pretty good obviously, but I like Tux On the most. Very dark lyrics and really groovy. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: August 02 2009 at 03:44
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Very good question! Mine would be in this order (top 5) 1. Tux On 2. 3 Boats Down From The Candy 3. Freaks 4. Grendel 5. Lady Nina Absolutely great compilation... And a great question! 
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Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: August 02 2009 at 04:48
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Evening folks
Found this on youtube... Absolutely amazing, once again. Perhaps not as good as his cover of "The Whole Of The Moon", but still amazing. Hes actually a beautiful piano player. I got a huge Shock at 3:10! -Joel EDIT: Here are some AMAZING Marillion rarities I found on youtube! The last one is what Became the web, and its actually an amazing track itself... I actually prefer that version to the actual Web! -Joel -------------
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: August 02 2009 at 07:57
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Regarding "Maybe I'm Amazed": he does that on his Live Spirit Live Body album. Man, I still need to get that! Cool version of that song, though. E -------------
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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: August 02 2009 at 13:42
Great question - Lady Nina for me, although I really cannot think of one poor b side in any of the singles released. ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: August 02 2009 at 13:48
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Joel, thanks for sharing the YouTube rarities. Loved Hogarth's piece and the golden oldies. I agree with you about Close as compared to The Web.
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Posted By: Conor Fynes
Date Posted: August 02 2009 at 16:20
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: August 02 2009 at 16:27
Definitely can't go wrong with either. If you get Marbles, be sure you get the 2 disc version from their website. It's worth every penny. E -------------
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Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: August 03 2009 at 01:12
No problem! -Joel -------------
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: August 03 2009 at 15:44
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Though it's not an outright win, I think I've decided that Clutching at Straws has the best lyrics of any Fish-era album. The theme(s) are tight and well thought-out. The double-meanings comparing drinking to strained relationships and other things is very poignant.
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Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: August 04 2009 at 01:17
Its a very good album - My favourite lyrically would be FUGAZI, and thats also my favourite all over, but its still brilliant, and as you said, the double-meanings are really genious. -Joel -------------
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