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verslibre 
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Joined: July 01 2004 Location: CA Status: Offline Points: 18563 |
 Posted: June 20 2011 at 23:44 |
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He's no longer in the band, right? Their bassist Juan Alderete de la Peña (he was in Racer X with Paul Gilbert) said Theodore was the best drummer he ever played with.
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Horizons
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: January 20 2011 Location: Somewhere Else Status: Offline Points: 16952 |
Posted: June 20 2011 at 23:51 |
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BaldJean
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Joined: May 28 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10387 |
Posted: June 21 2011 at 04:15 |
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of the list nine drummers were German and five not. I mentioned mostly German drummers because they are usually not so well known on this forum. that has nothing to do with their quality at all, it has to do with the fact that German bands don't have much of a market in the USA. which says something about the music industry, but nothing about the quality of the music. it is, by the way, nonsense to brand me as a Peart hater; I am not. he is a solid drummer. he is just not the überdrummer many people try to make of him. but that will never go into the mind of an avid Peart fan; if Peart is not THE drum God you are a Peart hater for his most avid fans. there are many drummers around who are just as equally skilled. and I said "equally", so I don't belittle Peart. I personally don't like his style much, but I respect his abilities as a musician |
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 A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
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Tony R
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Posted: June 21 2011 at 04:37 |
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No Jean you are obsessed with denigrating him. I've seen quotes of yours saying you don't like him as a person. Check out some of his interviews on YouTube and you'll find him quite different from your perception.
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BaldJean
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Posted: June 21 2011 at 04:44 |
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that's true, Tony; and I gave my reasons for that; some of his actions are quite questionable. in my opinion, like supporting the philosophy of Ayn Rand or marketing himself in ways which I consider to be dubious.. that's not denigrating him though; those are facts but I don't doubt his musical abilities |
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A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
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Bonnek
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Posted: June 21 2011 at 04:52 |
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I fully agree with this, the 'fluidity' thing is something he admits to himself in interviews, saying he only learned to really play from doing his jazz projects. Nevertheless his playing is perfect for the type of music the band plays and I've yet to hear a better 'metal' drummer. |
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presdoug
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Joined: January 24 2010 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 8718 |
Posted: June 21 2011 at 11:03 |
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As far as German drummers go, you've all gotta hear Jo Koinzer from Brainstorm-totally awesome, and totally under-rated!
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Tony R
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Posted: June 21 2011 at 11:41 |
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It's 30 odd years since Peart read Rand and incorporated some of her worldview into his own. The band were, at that time, seduced by some of the things she had to say about "the artist" and they were all relatively young then. As for the marketing, well he has written books and instructional drum DVDs. He rarely gives interviews and shuns publicity face-to-face. Sure he has endorsements, so what? The thing is Jean you operate quite clearly on the basis of "what you believe is what you know" this shines through many of your posts. You make incredible assumptions and claims that are frankly embarrassing at times. I base this on your posts, not gut instinct. |
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rogerthat
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Posted: June 21 2011 at 11:44 |
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Ironically enough, this could be said of Ayn Rand and her detractors certainly would. |
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Catcher10
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Posted: June 21 2011 at 13:04 |
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That's a good reply/post Tony.......I'd have to go back and look at the lyrics to see when it appears that the Rand influence began to fade. Without thinking too much about it, I would guess it started with Signals which was 1982ish so your spot on with the date.
I wonder Jean what are the specifics around his marketing himself that you question? In 40 years I am not sure I have seen Neil Peart market himself outside the music industry? Like maybe promote Tama Drums, Zildjian early on...product wise I have never seen for example him promoting a car company, clothing line or alcohol...He has written quite a few books and done instructional DVD's as Tony says......Are these what you find issue with?
I guess I am just wondering where you are coming from...
Have a great day
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Jbird
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Posted: June 21 2011 at 18:12 |
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I agree with BaldFrieda and BaldJean to some extent, and I love Peart's playing.
Rush used to be my favorite band ever (they are still up there, but not favorite), the first concert I ever went to was Rush w/Max Webster in February of '81, and I have recently seen Rush from the first couple of rows (paying some big $$$) so yes, I'm a fan, not a hater/troll.
I have heard though that Peart in his younger days would practice to click tracks (this is pre-Rush), hence his lack of 'swing' and his almost robotic sense of timing. I've no idea if this is true, I just seem to remember reading it from somewhere *shrug*
In defence of Mr. Peart, I believe he wrote some of the most memorable drum lines/fills ever to grace rock music. Heck, just go to a concert where they are playing classic rock over the PA before the show starts. You'll see people playing air guitar to most of the songs, but when a Rush song comes over the PA, watch the crowd, you'll see plenty of air drumming.
Pearts drumming in Rush was a 3rd instrument for the band, not just a backing beat, which is another reason it would be more difficult for Peart to 'improvise' during live performances. Your average Rush fan WANTS to hear it the way he recorded it, regardless of if Neil Peart could improvise or not.
Oh, and my favorite German drummer is Thomen Stauch (ex-Blind Guardian)
 (I'm not saying he's the best)I'd love to hear BaldFrieda's playing one of these days, or any of you others if you guys play instruments. I've been playing guitar for 30 years now, and I'm still just a garage-band hack, but I love playing anyways
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JJLehto
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Posted: July 06 2011 at 06:36 |
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My honest opinion? Welllll....you did ask. He's a great drummer but a bit over rated  Before start thinking I'm claiming he sucks, that's obviously not true and he is very good, but he's regarded as a god. One of THE top drummers, and from what I've heard...I don't see the worth of that praise. Maybe part of it is because, even though I'm a drummer, I'm not a fan of long drum solos  and that's what he is famous for. Though his are some of the better ones for sure. |
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SFranke
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Posted: July 06 2011 at 07:38 |
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Anyone care to explain how liking Ayn Rand's works constitutes a character flaw?
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Catcher10
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Posted: July 07 2011 at 12:32 |
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Its a personal issue with most I would assume........"if u like what I don't like, you're wrong!"
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