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moshkito 
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 Posted: March 08 2011 at 14:32 |
Hi,
So sad to see that some folks think that a decade was crap compared to the others ... simply because their "favorites" are not in that time and place, and many of those in that time period, have been labelled something less than the original.
The biggest issue was that we were stuck up and into the old behemoths that had already died and we did not have the ear sensitivity to listen to new and other things ... and sadly many of those bands did not get appreciated as much, but they survived it ... and that alone is to their credit ...
There has never been a time, when music did not live ... and it is worrisome that we do not "accept" that reality ... music is all around us all the time in many different forms ... but I guess someone is waiting for rap to die ... !!! right!!!
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Posted: March 08 2011 at 22:20 |
 moshkito wrote:
So sad to see that some folks think that a decade was crap compared to the others ... simply because their "favorites" are not in that time and place, and many of those in that time period, have been labelled something less than the original.
The biggest issue was that we were stuck up and into the old behemoths that had already died and we did not have the ear sensitivity to listen to new and other things ... and sadly many of those bands did not get appreciated as much, but they survived it ... and that alone is to their credit ...
There has never been a time, when music did not live ... and it is worrisome that we do not "accept" that reality ... music is all around us all the time in many different forms ... but I guess someone is waiting for rap to die ... !!! right!!! |
Whether you bemoan the fact or not, one can rightly have an opinion about a song, a band or a decade that is counter to yours. Personally, I did not care for much of the music in the 1980s, and with good reason. Were there great albums? Certainly. However, I did not at all care for the directions that music took during that decade, and these changes were noticeable and pronounced. People are not and should not be like lemmings, following their clan over the chasm (a myth, I know, but it is a good metaphor). I did not care for the sounds and vocal inflections inherent to new wave, power pop, metal or prog of the era, but I was intrigued by the original punk movement (while it lasted for a few short years in the late 70s/early 80s).
To imply a lack of "ear sensitivity" and an inability to "listen to new and other things" is simply inane. Having had my fill of the musical swill, I turned to English and Irish folk and classical music during that period. I gained a greater appreciation of older bands like Fairport Convention (and Richard Thompson separately), Steeleye Span, Renaissance and Planxty, who I had missed during the 70s, and also newer bands like The Pogues and The Waterboys, who instilled new spirit and innovation into traditional music. From an instrumental standpoint, I pretty much left the rock idiom and ventured more into blues and traditional acoustic and electric folk, themes that I continued in the bands that I played in for the next 20 years.
Music to me is relational but not monogamous. Some forms of music and bands we love and have long relationships with; others, are merely bad blind dates or one night stands. But, from my perspective, even bands we loved at one time don't necessarily remain as our partners throughout life. They have a few or maybe even many great albums, but then they change their musical direction and we part ways (Genesis, The Rolling Stones, Queen and David Bowie come to mind as good examples). We drop one partner and become enamored of another, while still cherishing memories from the past. That is neither good nor bad, it is "reality".
As far as Rap, I do not consider it music, but a b*****dization of music, with stolen samples, drum machines and misogynistic and incredibly stupid doggerel verse. It is a devolution in musical form, one that is desensitizing an entire generation who would rather sit slack-jawed in front of the tube playing air guitar on "Guitar Hero" than actually learning to play an instrument and discovering the wonders of classical, jazz, blues and, yes, even progressive rock music. If you consider that unenlightened, I really don't give a damn.
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iluvmarillion
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Posted: March 09 2011 at 04:06 |
The Dark Elf wrote:
moshkito wrote:
So sad to see that some folks think that a decade was crap compared to the others ... simply because their "favorites" are not in that time and place, and many of those in that time period, have been labelled something less than the original.
The biggest issue was that we were stuck up and into the old behemoths that had already died and we did not have the ear sensitivity to listen to new and other things ... and sadly many of those bands did not get appreciated as much, but they survived it ... and that alone is to their credit ...
There has never been a time, when music did not live ... and it is worrisome that we do not "accept" that reality ... music is all around us all the time in many different forms ... but I guess someone is waiting for rap to die ... !!! right!!! |
Whether you bemoan the fact or not, one can rightly have an opinion about a song, a band or a decade that is counter to yours. Personally, I did not care for much of the music in the 1980s, and with good reason. Were there great albums? Certainly. However, I did not at all care for the directions that music took during that decade, and these changes were noticeable and pronounced. People are not and should not be like lemmings, following their clan over the chasm (a myth, I know, but it is a good metaphor). I did not care for the sounds and vocal inflections inherent to new wave, power pop, metal or prog of the era, but I was intrigued by the original punk movement (while it lasted for a few short years in the late 70s/early 80s).
To imply a lack of "ear sensitivity" and an inability to "listen to new and other things" is simply inane. Having had my fill of the musical swill, I turned to English and Irish folk and classical music during that period. I gained a greater appreciation of older bands like Fairport Convention (and Richard Thompson separately), Steeleye Span, Renaissance and Planxty, who I had missed during the 70s, and also newer bands like The Pogues and The Waterboys, who instilled new spirit and innovation into traditional music. From an instrumental standpoint, I pretty much left the rock idiom and ventured more into blues and traditional acoustic and electric folk, themes that I continued in the bands that I played in for the next 20 years.
Music to me is relational but not monogamous. Some forms of music and bands we love and have long relationships with; others, are merely bad blind dates or one night stands. But, from my perspective, even bands we loved at one time don't necessarily remain as our partners throughout life. They have a few or maybe even many great albums, but then they change their musical direction and we part ways (Genesis, The Rolling Stones, Queen and David Bowie come to mind as good examples). We drop one partner and become enamored of another, while still cherishing memories from the past. That is neither good nor bad, it is "reality".
As far as Rap, I do not consider it music, but a b*****dization of music, with stolen samples, drum machines and misogynistic and incredibly stupid doggerel verse. It is a devolution in musical form, one that is desensitizing an entire generation who would rather sit slack-jawed in front of the tube playing air guitar on "Guitar Hero" than actually learning to play an instrument and discovering the wonders of classical, jazz, blues and, yes, even progressive rock music. If you consider that unenlightened, I really don't give a damn.
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Agree totally with what you say. In my own case switched off Prog Rock altogether in the 80's and listened to classical music only. Switched back to Prog Rock in the 90's when I liked what certain contemporary bands were doing (Marillion, Spock's Beard, Dream Theater, Flower Kings, Radiohead etc). In my opinion the worse decade for music in the 20th century was the 80's (closely followed by the 50's).
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Posted: March 09 2011 at 19:14 |
iluvmarillion wrote:
Agree totally with what you say. In my own case switched off Prog Rock altogether in the 80's and listened to classical music only. Switched back to Prog Rock in the 90's when I liked what certain contemporary bands were doing (Marillion, Spock's Beard, Dream Theater, Flower Kings, Radiohead etc). In my opinion the worse decade for music in the 20th century was the 80's (closely followed by the 50's). |
50s was an EXTREMELY important decade for jazz and also saw classical composers experimenting with electronic music. I don't know that there was advancement of music of such significance in the 80s or subsequent decades.
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Posted: March 10 2011 at 16:32 |
greenback wrote:
Blacksword wrote:
I dont think may would argue with you, that the 70's was the best time for prog 
There was a lot of crap around in the 80's anyway, but there was good prog rock..
Script for a jesters tear - Marillion
Fugazi - Marillion
Misplaced Childhood - Marillion
Clutching at Straws - Marillion
Moving Pictures - Rush
Signals - Rush
Grace under Pressure - Rush
Once aroubnd the world - It Bites
Never Forever - Kate Bush
The Dreaming - Kate Bush
Hounds of Love - Kate Bush
The Wake - IQ
Art & Illusion - Twelfth Night
Duke - Genesis
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sure! should I add to this list:
tales from the lush attic - IQ
seasons end - marillion
power windows - rush
big lad & windmill - it bites
the jewell - pendragon
fly high fall far - pendragon
eloy - colours + planets + times to turn + performance + wings of vision
gandalf - journey to an imaginary land
steve hackett - defector
anthony phillips - 1984 + private parts 2, 3 & 4
jon & vangelis - short stories
mike oldfield - airborn + most of his 80's albums
alan parson - turn of a friendly card
rush - permanent waves
many saga albums
univers 0 - ceux du dehors
many tangerine dream albums
camel - nude , stationary + single factor
sally oldfield - water bearer + easy
jethro tull - a, broadsword & under wraps
ian anderson - walk into light
yes - drama & 90125 + ABWH
many UZEB albums
MANY Frank Zappa's albums: tinsel town, drowning witch, you are what you is and so on....
tons of vangelis albums
king crimson - red
the 3 first asia's
the first 4 Fixx's albums
magnum - storyteller
supertramp - breakfast + brother were you bound
pink floyd - final cut + momentary
eddie jobson - zinc + theme of secrets
now, i have to stop, because i have not finished soon!
NO, definitely the 80's were not a bad decade at all!
Crimso's Red came out in '74, dillweed.
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moshkito
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Posted: March 10 2011 at 17:52 |
The Dark Elf wrote:
Whether you bemoan the fact or not, one can rightly have an opinion about a song, a band or a decade that is counter to yours. Personally, I did not care for much of the music in the 1980s, and with good reason.
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You might compare this statement to what I said ... or I can mail you a mirror!  
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To imply a lack of "ear sensitivity" and an inability to "listen to new and other things" is simply inane. Having had my fill of the musical swill, I turned to English and Irish folk and classical music during that period. I gained a greater appreciation of older bands like Fairport Convention (and Richard Thompson separately), Steeleye Span, Renaissance and Planxty, who I had missed during the 70s, and also newer bands like The Pogues and The Waterboys, who instilled new spirit and innovation into traditional music. From an instrumental standpoint, I pretty much left the rock idiom and ventured more into blues and traditional acoustic and electric folk, themes that I continued in the bands that I played in for the next 20 years.
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Case closed ... you only heard one area's music? ... so there is no folk music in Japan, or Rock music in Africa and no progressive music in Argentina? Classical music in Australia? Jazz in Iceland?
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Music to me is relational but not monogamous. Some forms of music and bands we love and have long relationships with; others, are merely bad blind dates or one night stands. But, from my perspective, even bands we loved at one time don't necessarily remain as our partners throughout life.
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We drop one partner and become enamored of another, while still cherishing memories from the past. That is neither good nor bad, it is "reality".
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I really think that you are taking this to a spot where it is not necessary.
I do not have "relationships" with the arts! ... Why? ... Because I don't need to! ... I am an artist and writer and published and don't need a fan to tell me that I am a writer ... and my beloved is a part of the art and process ... not a closet ornament! The difference is that I work on being ME, not something else or anyone, thus, appreciating new things, and new musics, is important to me, as a way (let's say) to renew yourself and your energies.
There has always been new music, and if you were around radio, like I was (not myself personally until later), the amount of records and music coming and going, the tens of thousands of albums at Tower, or the Warehouse, the incredible number of Imports that Moby Disk had ... they all stood out for one thing ... sometimes we're silly crritters of habit, and it is much easier to listen to something we are familiar with than it is to listen to something ... different ... which, more often than not, we immediatly state ... that's weird ... UNLESS ... you have an open ear for music (in this case) ... but the same thing happens with ALL the arts, and your comments are not EXCLUSIVE to music only.
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As far as Rap, I do not consider it music, but a b*****dization of music, with stolen samples, drum machines and misogynistic and incredibly stupid doggerel verse. It is a devolution in musical form, one that is desensitizing an entire generation who would rather sit slack-jawed in front of the tube playing air guitar on "Guitar Hero" than actually learning to play an instrument and discovering the wonders of classical, jazz, blues and, yes, even progressive rock music. If you consider that unenlightened, I really don't give a damn.
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Careful ... that's almost like saying that rock'n'roll is not a b*****dization of music, with stolen chords and samples, drum machines, misogynistic and incredibly over inflated doggerel sense and verse ... sometimes called "progressive" or worse ... "prog"!
When you get to be 60 or 70, and you have been pushing this music for 45 years or 50 years, you will, likely, gain an appreciation for what I am saying ... and I can tell you that I bought, and listened to just as much new stuff in the 80's as I did any other time, except the 70's when I was directly involved with the music and work around the music ... which made it easier to listen to new things and appreciate other work ... but I had a precendent, that most people didn't ... and this is not something that a lot of folks here can appreciate right off the bat ... I was born in a house of 40+k books of Portuguese, Spanish and Brazilian Literature ... and the one thing that you learn quickly is ... there are a lot of good ones out there in any time or place ... if we are open enough to look for it ... and in general, more often than not we are NOT so, which makes the appreciation of different things a lot tougher ... and it's not something that most of us are good enough to even admit ... we always have "excuses" ... and "ideas" ... but in the end ... we're listening to the same thing! ... our Favorites!
And the worse part ... that is harder for many folks to accept? ... we're in a commercial and advertising age ... and of course ... appreciating new things is going to be harder, because ... it doesn't exist on Top of the Pops or Billboard ... or in PA's Top Ten ... I keep asking us to have a "Bottom Ten" ... on purpose, so we could list some really far out little gems ... that no one is listening to because they like this or that ... and nothing else ... !!!
Edited by moshkito - March 10 2011 at 18:17
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moshkito
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Posted: March 10 2011 at 17:59 |
rogerthat wrote:
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50s was an EXTREMELY important decade for jazz and also saw classical composers experimenting with electronic music. I don't know that there was advancement of music of such significance in the 80s or subsequent decades.
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Rog ... you must have not read it ... there was no music before and after prog ... so why would anyone think that the 50's was important?  (Cool Miles' style!)
One of these days, some of these folks will get smart and maybe go catch that DVD on Tom Dowd so they can see the history of American Music pass right by their eyes ... but they will never even try to see that ... lest they find ... son of a bitch ... he wasn't kidding! .... but saying anything here gets so ignored because so many folks do not have the guts, the quality and the desire to LEARN something new and interesting ... and it is all too easy to say I'm wrong in this and that, instead of that person learning something different ... which of course is going to throw their ideas off the deep end anyway ... and that is the point ... they were just ideas, and there was no reality to them!
Time never was ... that music never was ... it never existed only on our minds, because we did not look for it, or find it.
Very simple! And it's hard to not say that the rest is all ignorance!
Edited by moshkito - March 10 2011 at 17:59
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: March 10 2011 at 21:43 |
moshkito wrote:
The Dark Elf wrote:
To imply a lack of "ear sensitivity" and an inability to "listen to new and other things" is simply inane. Having had my fill of the musical swill, I turned to English and Irish folk and classical music during that period. I gained a greater appreciation of older bands like Fairport Convention (and Richard Thompson separately), Steeleye Span, Renaissance and Planxty, who I had missed during the 70s, and also newer bands like The Pogues and The Waterboys, who instilled new spirit and innovation into traditional music. From an instrumental standpoint, I pretty much left the rock idiom and ventured more into blues and traditional acoustic and electric folk, themes that I continued in the bands that I played in for the next 20 years.
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Case closed ... you only heard one area's music? ... so there is no folk music in Japan, or Rock music in Africa and no progressive music in Argentina? Classical music in Australia? Jazz in Iceland? |
Are you being purposely dense? Did I say I only heard one area's music? No, but I did point out my musical direction and what interested me most. Let's see, in that paragraph I mentioned a few English and Irish bands that influenced the bands I was in, but I also mentioned classical as well as blues. Pontificate less, read more. Unless you prefer just to ramble out of context.
moshkito wrote:
The Dark Elf wrote:
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Music to me is relational but not monogamous. Some forms of music and bands we love and have long relationships with; others, are merely bad blind dates or one night stands. But, from my perspective, even bands we loved at one time don't necessarily remain as our partners throughout life.
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We drop one partner and become enamored of another, while still cherishing memories from the past. That is neither good nor bad, it is "reality".
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I really think that you are taking this to a spot where it is not necessary.
I do not have "relationships" with the arts! ... Why? ... Because I don't need to! ... I am an artist and writer and published and don't need a fan to tell me that I am a writer ... and my beloved is a part of the art and process ... not a closet ornament! The difference is that I work on being ME, not something else or anyone, thus, appreciating new things, and new musics, is important to me, as a way (let's say) to renew yourself and your energies. |
You haven't the slightest idea what I just said. Really, I read this last ramble of yours, and it is completely obvious you have absolutely no concept about what I was referring to. We are separated by a common language that you have not yet mastered.
moshkito wrote:
The Dark Elf wrote:
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As far as Rap, I do not consider it music, but a b*****dization of music, with stolen samples, drum machines and misogynistic and incredibly stupid doggerel verse. It is a devolution in musical form, one that is desensitizing an entire generation who would rather sit slack-jawed in front of the tube playing air guitar on "Guitar Hero" than actually learning to play an instrument and discovering the wonders of classical, jazz, blues and, yes, even progressive rock music. If you consider that unenlightened, I really don't give a damn.
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Careful ... that's almost like saying that rock'n'roll is not a b*****dization of music, with stolen chords and samples, drum machines, misogynistic and incredibly over inflated doggerel sense and verse ... sometimes called "progressive" or worse ... "prog"! |
The difference is musicianship. Much of rock is a crock, but there is a component of musicianship that sets it apart from rap. To be honest, rock saved the blues genre. Many old blues masters' dying careers were revived due to the reverence of rock musicians from the 60s and 70s.
moshkito wrote:
When you get to be 60 or 70, and you have been pushing this music for 45 years or 50 years, you will, likely, gain an appreciation for what I am saying ... |
Perhaps if I reach your level of senility, but fortunately, I take vitamins.
Edited by The Dark Elf - March 10 2011 at 21:45
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Posted: March 10 2011 at 21:56 |
The Dark Elf wrote:
As far as Rap, I do not consider it music, but a b*****dization of music, with stolen samples, drum machines and misogynistic and incredibly stupid doggerel verse. It is a devolution in musical form, one that is desensitizing an entire generation who would rather sit slack-jawed in front of the tube playing air guitar on "Guitar Hero" than actually learning to play an instrument and discovering the wonders of classical, jazz, blues and, yes, even progressive rock music. If you consider that unenlightened, I really don't give a damn. |
Yeah, getting upset about Guitar Hero and rap is really, really silly. I know people here usually don't buy my argument that rap and pop do not represent a significant change in the "quality" of pop music since the term has existed, but Guitar Hero is unquestionably a net positive for music. For some reason some people feel the need to flip out that someone would play a fake guitar well instead of a real guitar poorly, I don't know if they need to assert their superiority or what. Maybe it was the South Park episode, since I suspect a South Park episode is primarily responsible for the internet's overwhelming hate for Bono. But it exposes people to music they might not have heard otherwise, and I personally know someone who started playing bass because of Guitar Hero. He is not the type of person who is going to be a "serious musician", but now he's playing something. A serious musician is not going to be inspired or deterred by a silly game.
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Posted: March 10 2011 at 21:57 |
Henry Plainview wrote:
rap and pop do not represent a significant change in the "quality" of pop music since the term has existed |
AIN'T THAT THE TRUTH
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Posted: March 11 2011 at 07:23 |
Triceratopsoil wrote:
Henry Plainview wrote:
rap and pop do not represent a significant change in the "quality" of pop music since the term has existed |
AIN'T THAT THE TRUTH
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Posted: March 11 2011 at 08:19 |
Quite an invalid list here  , which only seems to list whatever albums were released during that decade (and they forgot the Moody Blunders)
greenback wrote:
Blacksword wrote:
I dont think may would argue with you, that the 70's was the best time for prog
There was a lot of crap around in the 80's anyway, but there was good prog rock..
Script for a jesters tear - Marillion
Fugazi - Marillion
Misplaced Childhood - Marillion
Clutching at Straws - Marillion
Moving Pictures - Rush
Signals - Rush
Grace under Pressure - Rush
Once around the world - It Bites
Never Forever - Kate Bush
The Dreaming - Kate Bush
Hounds of Love - Kate Bush
The Wake - IQ
Art & Illusion - Twelfth Night
Duke - Genesis
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sure! should I add to this list:
tales from the lush attic - IQ
seasons end - marillion
power windows - rush
big lad & windmill - it bites
the jewell - pendragon
fly high fall far - pendragon
eloy - colours + planets + times to turn + performance + wings of vision
gandalf - journey to an imaginary land
steve hackett - defector
anthony phillips - 1984 + private parts 2, 3 & 4
jon & vangelis - short stories
mike oldfield - airborn + most of his 80's albums
alan parson - turn of a friendly card
rush - permanent waves
many saga albums
univers 0 - ceux du dehors
many tangerine dream albums
camel - nude , stationary + single factor
sally oldfield - water bearer + easy
jethro tull - a, broadsword & under wraps
ian anderson - walk into light
yes - drama & 90125 + ABWH
many UZEB albums
MANY Frank Zappa's albums: tinsel town, drowning witch, you are what you is and so on....
tons of vangelis albums king crimson - red???? >>> surely you mean Discipline???
the 3 first asia's the first 4 Fixx's albums magnum - storyteller supertramp - breakfast >>> 1979 + brother were you boundpink floyd - final cut + momentary eddie jobson - zinc + theme of secrets
now, i have to stop, because i have not finished soon!
NO, definitely the 80's were not a bad decade at all!
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First I'd like to say that the 80's albums of 70's groups/artistes are much inferior and shouldn't really count in this debate (this means Duke, Defector, Drama)...
Second, tons of those 80's releases were simply unheard of and including stuff no-one heard of until 20 years after should almost be disqualified as well (including my fave Univers Zero)
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in Orange albums that were correct or above average, but hardly excellent,
in Green the rare good 80's albums,
in Red, disqualified albums (Crimson's Discipline is in orange)
Albums from very early 1980 (the year) from typical 70's groups are crossed out,
the rest of these (unchanged) is often crappy or useless repetition of older groups, or merely passable at best
OK, tastes and colours, I know... but there IS a limit to discerning good (or essential) from merely "acceptable" (staying polite here) or simply being complacent towards an ancient glory
Overall, the 80's were VERY crappy, even if most of this lists forgets about RIO groups or JR/F stuff (the former would make a positive impact on the overall 80's appraisal, the latter wouldn't really)
How can ANYBODY say that Under Wraps and Walk Into The Light are good albums of any kind of music???
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prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
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Sorry but Sally Oldfield's waterbearer was 1978
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Posted: March 11 2011 at 10:47 |
Well, at least we had Art Zoyd in the 80's :)
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moshkito
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Posted: March 11 2011 at 13:22 |
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You haven't the slightest idea what I just said. Really, I read this last ramble of yours, and it is completely obvious you have absolutely no concept about what I was referring to. We are separated by a common language that you have not yet mastered.
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Perhaps if I reach your level of senility, but fortunately, I take vitamins.
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Incorrect. We're separated by your ideas that are between us.
I have explained all of mine out in the open and where they came from, which you ignored and did not consider its process?
And if you think that all it takes is vitamins to avoid senility, you are really in bad shape ... and in for a real surprise one of these days! You're probably thinking the same thing about music, or at least something similar to match your ideas!
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Posted: March 11 2011 at 14:29 |
So nobody likes Crest Of A Knave? 
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I should also add that Tangerine Dream released a lot of great music in the '80s! Goblin and Claudio Simonetti got a few out there, too.
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XunknownX
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Posted: March 12 2011 at 09:27 |
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To me; it was. But not as bad as I thought at the time, actually.
Edited by XunknownX - March 12 2011 at 09:28
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: March 12 2011 at 10:24 |
The Dark Elf wrote:
People are not and should not be like lemmings, following their clan over the chasm (a myth, I know, but it is a good metaphor).
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No it ain't, it sucks hugely 'Beige Elf'
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Posted: March 12 2011 at 17:29 |
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Iron Maiden anyone? Though some say it isn't "prog enough"
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 Hurty flurty schnipp schnipp!
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The 80s..the worst era for prog.
