The 80s..the worst era for prog.
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Topic: The 80s..the worst era for prog.
Posted By: Lindsay Lohan
Subject: The 80s..the worst era for prog.
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 07:27
| I personally think that the 80s is the worst era of prog and does not got any really incredible fantastic albums. I think the 70s is the best era and all the succesfull bands in the 70s seemed to go a bit more to the commercial side of music and the synths sounds are horrible IMO. So i was just wondering if anybody knew any band that made their best prog album in the 80s. (Except for Queensryche) |
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Posted By: Kotro
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 07:30
| Er... Marillion? Rush? Anyone? |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 07:31
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I dont think may would argue with you, that the 70's was the best time for prog There was a lot of crap around in the 80's anyway, but there was good prog rock.. Script for a jesters tear - Marillion
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Posted By: Lindsay Lohan
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 07:32
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Nah i think rush best time was in the 70s and i don't fancy marillion that much but perhaps marillion was the best prog band in the 80s... |
Kotro wrote:Posted By: Kotro
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 07:38
Well, you had already quoted Queensrÿche... I have no words to describe "Operation: Mindcrime" |
.Posted By: Sekkyoku
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 09:09
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Isildurs Bane. They released their first album in the early eighties. Genuine symphonic progressive, influenced by fusion and swedish instrumental music. After a while the fusion-part of their music got stronger, taking them even further away from commercial music. |
Posted By: Dragon Phoenix
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 09:13
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Marillion, Kate Bush, Peter Gabriel, David Sylvian, Queensryche.... |
Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 09:20
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One of the very few 80's good jazzrock/prog album:
Steve Tibbetts/Yr (1980) 
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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 09:25
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I think the 70's were the best, then the eighties with Marillion, IQ, Pendragon, Twelfth Night, Pallas etc., then the nineties and then the naughties: a slow decline. There's more prog than ever before, but the quality is getting less and less with each decennium. Sounds pretty negative, but there are still a lot of gems to discover. Flowers in the asphalt...
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Posted By: greenback
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 09:35
sure! should I add to this list: tales from the lush attic - IQ seasons end - marillion power windows - rush big lad & windmill - it bites the jewell - pendragon fly high fall far - pendragon eloy - colours + planets + times to turn + performance + wings of vision gandalf - journey to an imaginary land steve hackett - defector anthony phillips - 1984 + private parts 2, 3 & 4 jon & vangelis - short stories mike oldfield - airborn + most of his 80's albums alan parson - turn of a friendly card rush - permanent waves many saga albums univers 0 - ceux du dehors many tangerine dream albums camel - nude , stationary + single factor sally oldfield - water bearer + easy jethro tull - a, broadsword & under wraps ian anderson - walk into light yes - drama & 90125 + ABWH many UZEB albums MANY Frank Zappa's albums: tinsel town, drowning witch, you are what you is and so on.... tons of vangelis albums king crimson - red the 3 first asia's the first 4 Fixx's albums magnum - storyteller supertramp - breakfast + brother were you bound pink floyd - final cut + momentary eddie jobson - zinc + theme of secrets
now, i have to stop, because i have not finished soon! NO, definitely the 80's were not a bad decade at all!
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 10:29
Looks like it was a pretty good decade to me.. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 10:40
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yeah... Turn of A Friendly Card, courtesy of Mr Parsons. What a good album that was. Did anyone mention Fact or Fiction by Twelfth Night? ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: erlenst
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 10:42
| Greenback : King Crimson - Red is from 1975! But anyway, their 80's albums are decent. |
Posted By: Intruder
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 11:03
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The reincarnated Crimson....Discipline, Beat, and Three of a Perfect Pair.....not to mention Fripp's various projects, like the League..., and his advances in Frippertronics. Fripp and his crew (mainly Belew and Levin) helped keep the prog ship upright.
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Posted By: geezer
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 11:06
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Yes, mostly just crap. A few good ones but not many. The 70's groups that continued to release albums were only shadows of their past. Even the 90's was a lot better decade in progressive music. The 80's certainly was the decade of neo-progressive but I fail to see anything good (and progressive) in that genre. It almost destroyed prog. |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 11:57
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...of course it was...isn't that everybodys opinion....!!!(?)..... ...well, perhaps the 90's...and the 00's so far i awefull......I would rate:
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Posted By: Mategra
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 12:03
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I'm sure that Greenback means The Red King Crimson album "Discipline". I would also add the Blue and the Yellow one. |
Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 12:29
| I would say that the 80's wasn't a devastating period, but it was a slow one... especially for those of us who like or prog pop-free. I just don't understand people who say our current decade is bad for prog though - we're in the midst of a new progressive explosion, friends! |
Posted By: greenback
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 12:35
oh yeah, sure! sorry if i wrote king crimson red: i had the red color in my head while writing the discipline album
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Posted By: BleedingGum
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 12:35
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YES had decent albums for that 80s era though. :)
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Posted By: Sir Realist
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 12:46
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The late '60s and early '70s seem like such a fertile period because prog
was a new and inspiring development. Lots of new directions were launched. There was some good music made in the '80s, mostly under the radar, but obviously not a lot of new directions until the emergence of prog industrial, heavy metal and shred toward the end. I may be underinformed, but the only really standout innovation I can think of from the early '80s is the "Discipline"-era King Crimson, but even that has clear sources in "Red." ------------- I can have double standards, and you can't |
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 12:47
I fully agree with this top 5, 100%. |
Posted By: dalt99
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 15:57
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My list would look like this: 1) 70's (Yes, Genesis, Gentle Giant, blah blah blah 2) 60's (King Crimson, Moody Blues, Beatles, Soft Machine, VDGG, Frank Zappa, Jethro Tull, Pink Floyd, Egg, Procol Harum, Colosseum, Renaissance all started in this decade) 3) 90's (Anglagard, Anekdoten, Flower Kings, Spock's Beard, Dream Theater, Shadow Gallery, Opeth, Duty Free Area, Echolyn, White Willow, Finisterre, Thinking Plague, Sinkadus, After Crying, Liquid Tension Experiment, Ayreon, Porcupine Tree, Citizen Cain, Radiohead, Par Lindh Project, Ars Nova, Tool) 4) 80's (Marillion, Ozric Tentacles, Pallas, IQ, Univers Zero, Saga, Asia, Rush, Ain Soph, Kenso, Twelfth Night, Queensryche, Pendragon, However, Isildurs Bane, Bi Kyo Ran, Bacamarte, Art Zoyd, Eskaton, Djam Karet) 5) 00's (Transatlantic, The Tangent, The Mars Volta, Birdsongs of the Mesozoic, Hamadryad, Bigelf, Glass Hammer, Sleepytime Gorilla Museum, Avant Garden, The Muffins, Little Atlas, Hidria Spacefolk, Discus, Mostly Autumn, Salva, Galleon, Grand Stand) I think that prog music is still going strong and will keep producing great music though it will never get back to the heyday of the 70's. |
Posted By: DavidInsabella
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 16:01
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Of course the 70s were the best time, or at least in my opinion. In the 80's all the good bands started going downhill. Or at least a few of them, after Gabriel left Genesis really wasn't superb, and Yes and King Crimson's music didn't really turn sour, it just sort of declined a little. Then there's Rush who just sort of lost creativity. In the 90's bands like Pendragon and Twelfth Night started making neo-prog, and I guess there's nothing wrong with that musically, it's just that it's not an original concept. I don't want neo prog fans to get mad though. And now in the new millenium Pain Of Salvation and The Mars Volta are two truly original bands. If more like them come out, prog will most likely be restored to a creative status. I also like The Flower Kings, even though a lot of prog fans call them neo prog as well, but I think they progress instead of taking ideas from earlier bands. ------------- Life seemed to him merely like a gallery of how to be. 
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Posted By: lpd42
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 17:17
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Oh come on, there were some GREAT 80's prog albums. GTR? Asia? Jethro
Tull's "Crest of the Knave?" (chuckles) oops, those were the bad ones... The dreaming by kate bush, any peter gabriel solo release... King crimson's 80's output, while not my favorite fripp material, WAS pretty damn good. Hell, Even the fripp-produced daryll hall album Sacred Songs is a standout in very late 70's early 80's prog. ------------- Blarg! My cheese has bones! |
Posted By: KeyserSoze
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 17:21
| Ozric Tentacles, Peter Gabriel... Well, I like 90's much more but there actually were bands and music that is worth. |
Posted By: mirco
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 18:16
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The 80's were the worst years for all kind of music, form prog to jazz to salsa. The producers era, which thoughts that with a sintethizer and a beatiful boy or girl singing they could achieve big hits... ------------- Please forgive me for my crappy english! |
Posted By: Cygnus X-2
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 19:58
Nice to see someone here besides me who likes the Fixx. ------------- 
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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 21:41
| Fates Warning anyone? |
Posted By: ShaggyMcShagg7
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 21:44
| Queensryche. |
Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 21:47
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I don't care what period sucks ass for Prog, but I'd say 79-83 sucked the most ass for Prog. |
Posted By: DarioIndjic
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 21:50
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Compared to 70s prog,80s were empty years,but there was excellent ,if not some truly masterpieces of prog rock.English,Italian,German,Scandinavian or US scene was mostly dead,but in some countries,prog scene was flourishing(for example Japan). Here are some 80s masterpieces: Marillion - Script For A Jester's Tear Marillion - Fugazi Solaris - Marsbeli Kronikak Bacamarte - Depois Do Fim Gerard - Gerard Gerard - Empty Lie,Empty Dream
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Posted By: strawberry
Date Posted: May 26 2005 at 23:09
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Rousseau "Flowers in Asphalt" 1980 "Retreat" 1981" "square the Circle" 1988 OH MY these are some Gems from a German band. Very Camelesque but not cloning in the least.
Minimum Vitals first two on one. Envol Triangles/ Les Saisons Marines 1985 /1987
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Posted By: nousommedusolei
Date Posted: May 27 2005 at 00:39
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Yes, I'd agree the 80s were the worst time for prog, but not everything released in the 80s was awful. Anderson Bruford Wakeman Howe~ 1989 , the only "Yes" album of that decade that didn't make me rip my hair out. I actually enjoyed it. Crest of Knave~ Jethro Tull, 1987, somewhat made a return to the 'old' Jethro Tull sound (despite the fact that Ian's voice had changed quite a bit). King Crimson's "Discipline" (1981) is also a good listen. For the most part, the 80s were pretty bad, but not everything that came out of the 80s. ------------- I don't believe in demons I don't believe in devils I only believe in you |
Posted By: Pylo
Date Posted: May 27 2005 at 03:34
Well said ! ------------- Pylo |
Posted By: VLADO
Date Posted: May 27 2005 at 03:46
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I think 80s were great with 1. the solo efforts of PG, PH, kate bush, robert plant... 2. yes, genesis 3. the rush best albums 4. an appearing of new things like marillion 5. return of deep purple, pink floyd 6. an absolute collection of dezo ursiny 7. also with the pop stuffs like talk talk (who went onto deep waters afterwards), dire straits, police, sting, ... frankly, i love the 80s the most ------------- ...and in the end the love you take is equal to the love you make... |
Posted By: sigod
Date Posted: May 27 2005 at 06:56
Agreed, I was there and had fantastic time. Which is more than can be said for the fashion...  ------------- I must remind the right honourable gentleman that a monologue is not a decision. - Clement Atlee, on Winston Churchill |
Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: May 27 2005 at 07:16
o? 
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: May 27 2005 at 07:20
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Be honest, sigod. That's you isn't it, on your way to see The Mission..
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Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: May 27 2005 at 07:24
Yep, and King Crimson resurfaced, putting out one magnificent album (Discipline) and two decent ones (Beat and Three of a Perfect Pair). ------------- "In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun |
Posted By: limeyrob
Date Posted: May 27 2005 at 14:15
| I'm afraid I missed the prog scene in the 80's live so to speak. Just married, new house, I could go on. Now I'm back cataloguing from the 80's onwards. I have to say that though there is some good prog around that decade, the 80's content of my collection is a bit thin on the ground. Any recommendations in the symphonic/metal prog genre. I have some Queensryche, Marillion and IQ |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: May 27 2005 at 15:25
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Personally, i think that the 80's was the worst time for music in general. New Wave came around and the sound of bands totally changed with the snythesizers and the drums. I don't know why people felt like they needed to change the sound of drums. Pfft..... Anyway, to address the question, the 80's wasn't the worst. It wasnt as good as the 70's but that dosen't mean it sucked horribly. Some good stuff was made in the 80's, just like almost everyone said. I dont like 00's for prog. To much prog metal. I know a lot of people here like it, and no offense to you, but i just don't care for it. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Hiwatter
Date Posted: May 29 2005 at 06:01
| 80s were by far the worst music era. I hate 98% of 80s, slick production, all digital synths, guitar playing, no originality, atmosphere. Best prog from 80s for me were some late French groups like Dun for example. I am anti-neoprogger, so 80s arent for me. Nowadays here are much more good prog bands than in 80s. |
Posted By: Hiwatter
Date Posted: May 29 2005 at 06:02
Bacamarte Depoid Du Fim was recorded in 1978. |
Posted By: samuel.jeronimo
Date Posted: May 29 2005 at 07:03
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The 80’s were great…
1980 “Macchina Maccheronica” by Stormy Six 1981 “Terpandre” by Terpandre 1982 “Erdenklang” by Bognermayr, Hubert e Zuschrader, Harald 1983 “The Final Cut” by Pink Floyd 1984 “Music for Piano and Drums” by Patrick Moraz e Bill Bruford 1985 “90125” by Yes “Warmth Of the Earth” by Edward Artemiev 1986 “Les Morts Vonte Vite” by Shub-Niggurath ”Hat And Field” by Ain Soph 1987 “Heatwave” by Univers Zero 1988 “Adolescencia Cronica” by Iconoclasta 1989 “The Girl Who Was... Death” by Devil Doll ------------- http://www.jeronimosamuel.no.sapo.pt - SAMUEL JERONIMO |
Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: May 29 2005 at 07:09
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^^^ Now there's a man who's done his homework ------------- "In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun |
Posted By: samuel.jeronimo
Date Posted: May 29 2005 at 07:21
And i’m seeing the Simpsons. Fox channel is broadcasting – here in I’ve just saw the mythic episode where the church organist plays “In-the-Gadda-da-Vida” or “In the garden of Eden” By the way I forgot to include on the list “Drama” by Yes… and many more I hope... ------------- http://www.jeronimosamuel.no.sapo.pt - SAMUEL JERONIMO |
Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: May 29 2005 at 08:34
------------- "In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun |
Posted By: Rhayader
Date Posted: May 29 2005 at 09:06
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Remember that Rush released their best album (IMO, anyway) in the 80s,
and Yes also did some great work then, despite what everyone says.
Also, ABWH was an awesome album. Camel did some good albums then, Nude
was great.
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Posted By: geezer
Date Posted: May 29 2005 at 09:14
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There is many "good" albums in samuel.jeronimo's list but only a few
that I consider "essential". Every decade so far has had many of these
"good" albums. And the list is lacking some of the most essential 80's
albums like Dun - Eros. So, therefore I still think the 80's sucked big time. It might have been a good decade if you like neo-prog which I most certainly do not. |
Posted By: Jimbo
Date Posted: May 29 2005 at 09:29
Exactly. For neo-prog fans it was probably great, but for me the 80's had almost nothing to offer. Of course there are exceptions but it was clearly the worst decade for prog IMO. ------------- 
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Posted By: greenback
Date Posted: May 29 2005 at 09:58
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i'm a neo prog fan! actually there were no weak decades; just a couples of years where prog rock was more forgotten. ------------- [HEADPINS - LINE OF FIRE: THE RECORD HAVING THE MOST POWERFUL GUITAR SOUND IN THE WHOLE HISTORY OF MUSIC!> |
Posted By: MorgothSunshine
Date Posted: May 29 2005 at 12:27
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Every era have had it's great and it's bad!...probably in the '70 there was more great than in every other era! ------------- For every truth even the contrary is true... 
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Posted By: Hiwatter
Date Posted: May 29 2005 at 13:33
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Posted By: samuel.jeronimo
Date Posted: May 30 2005 at 04:17
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I think that the problem with the 80’s is that mass media tries to input us a vision of was it was. Even when get out of prog you’ll find good things such as Sonic Youth or Echo and the Bunnymen.
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Posted By: omri
Date Posted: May 30 2005 at 18:34
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The 80's was'nt great as the 70's. But they were some great exceptions like Robert Wyatt's "Old rottenhat" & Talk talk's "Spirit of eden". The worst time for prog was any year before 1967. No prog at all. Funny we all seem to forget it only started in the late 60's and before that there were very few artists who were worth hearing at all. ------------- omri |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: March 05 2011 at 11:23
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Using the prog term to include the various categories at PA, then, according to my collection, the 90's is the worst decade. I belive that RIO/ Avant was flourishing in the 80s, which makes it a very strong decade for my tastes. And there's something about a particular cold aesthetic that I was hearing in the 80s that appeals to me. Though I could think of many albums I love from the 80s. Art Zoyd is a particular fave band of mine from the time (also love Art Zoyd's 70's albums). In the 80s I didn't know Art Zoyd, but back then I really liked Kraftwerk's Computer World (a pretty good example of the colder music I enjoyed at the time and continues to appeal). There's too much, I thought, great 80's experimental music that I've forgotten that I would hear thanks to a university radio station program which played really interesting to me music. The 90's was something of a musical wasteland to me in the 90's, but then "arthouse" film was my passion during that decade. |
Posted By: boo boo
Date Posted: March 05 2011 at 11:32
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Dismissing a whole decade where many diverse genres of music emerged brings ignorance to a downright cartoonish level. Knowing this forum, I'm not surprised. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/kingboobs/?chartstyle=LastfmSuicjdeGirls" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: March 05 2011 at 11:35
 I've never really got this "decades" thing - that's a purely abstract construct, an accidental alignment of dates on a calendar set 429 years ago by Pope Greg the 13th. Decades just reflect the fact that we count in base-10. Nothing, especially music, transitions at the beginning of each decade, nothing, especially music, has a life-span of exactly ten years. If musical fads are cyclic (and some are, some aren't) then they are very unlikely to be on a ten year cycle. ------------- What? |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: March 05 2011 at 11:37
Wow, Greg ressurected a thread that was almost 6 years old 
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Posted By: boo boo
Date Posted: March 05 2011 at 11:39
How does it feel to have generalized a whole decade in such an idiotic way? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/kingboobs/?chartstyle=LastfmSuicjdeGirls" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: boo boo
Date Posted: March 05 2011 at 11:42
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Anyway I do think it was the weakest decade in prog's existence. But the 80s was still a damn solid decade with a lot of great music from other genres.
Not all 80s was synth pop for god's sake. But you know what? There was a lot of excellent pop music in the 80s. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/kingboobs/?chartstyle=LastfmSuicjdeGirls" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: topographicbroadways
Date Posted: March 05 2011 at 11:46
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the 80' were o.k, there was some cringe worthy synths around and some over the top production but the ratio of crap to good was similar to most decades it just had less masterpieces Plenty of solid efforts though: Camel - Nude Agnus - Pinturas y Expresiones Genesis - Duke Hugh Hopper - Two Rainbows Daily King Crimson - Discipline These are just albums that came up first in my itunes when i searched and i love them all regardless of decade
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: March 05 2011 at 11:53
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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: March 05 2011 at 11:56
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I can't believe how many folks say that Discipline-era KC was "okay"! That was FANTASTIC stuff! Yeah, a lot of pretty ugly music came out of the 1980's, but it was a time of great experimentation and innovation....Fripp & Belew were at the forefront of the guitar synth movement, some jazz-rockers like Dimeola and Goodsall (Fire Merchants) were gaining traction, and even some of the pop of the era was listenable! U2, Men At Work, Devo etc. all had valuable contributions. Let's face it, the buying public wasn't interested in putting their money into many prog acts.....so bands like Yes had to re-tool in order to catch the wave, with junk like "Owner." It was a rough decade, but not without some excellent music! However, I agree, the movements of the era were away from progressive music and towards danceable tunes, which Fripp tried to capture with League of Gentlemen.
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Posted By: topographicbroadways
Date Posted: March 05 2011 at 11:56
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i only just noticed this thread is that old. wtf someone was way too bored today -------------
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: March 05 2011 at 12:05
I was put in mind of this kind of topic due to a post in a poll-thread which had an Asia track as an option -- certain temporal limitation considerations commonly are not that important to me when it comes to topics or music. While I agree with Dean's point, and think that using dates are too arbitrary, as ludicrous as Walter's cut-off line for worthy music, there are aesthetics, and music movements, that are rooted in the 80s, or late 70's to 80's (the music/ bands I often like from that period were producing albums from the late 70s on. I like the austere, technological aspect of much music from the time. I don't like other aesthetics that were dominant in much music in the 80s -- stuff that is all too often really cheesy to my ears. Art Zoyd, yes, love it, a lot of other music, no. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: March 05 2011 at 12:10
Please do me the courtesy of explaining your reasoning. Would I be less bored if I started a new topic when there's an existant topic I could easily find and bump? |
Posted By: topographicbroadways
Date Posted: March 05 2011 at 12:13
Fair point, i was thinking that someone had scrolled through every page of the prog lounge and found this interesting piece on page 59 i now presume you searched it -------------
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: March 05 2011 at 12:23
Some people may think otherwise, but I have enough of a life not to trawl every page. I'm a proponent of the search engine to avoid dupicating topics when possible. And if anyone wants to bump an old topic, as old topics are autmatically locked, they can feel free to PM me, Avestin, or an admin to request that we unlock it. |
Posted By: progremist
Date Posted: March 05 2011 at 12:45
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80's was worst era for music generally. Thin, plastic sounds. That was like transition phase to exciting seventies to kick-ass nineties. Without Marillion, Toto, Queensryche, Rush and maybe King Crimson that would been total disaster. 2000-2010 has been a little disappointing too. Yes, wonderful albums and bands but not so excinting and innovative comparing to seventies. Too much safe and calculated stuff, and the quantity of copycats.... phew. Hundred different Dream Theater-wannabies, tons of melodic death metal bands that sounds all the same. Huge guitar walls but poor riffs. Thank god there's some pearls in the river always! ------------- ..:: http://www.youtube.com/user/progremist" rel="nofollow - progremist's channel ::.. |
Posted By: Noak
Date Posted: March 05 2011 at 13:07
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Cardiacs-A Little Man And A House And The Whole World Window (one of the greatest albums ever at that) Aksak Maboul-Un peu de l'âme des bandits Etron Fou Leloublan-En public aux Etats-Unis d'Amérique Samla Mammas Manna-Familjesprickor Art Bears-The World As It Is Today Dün-Eros Kräldjursanstalten-Voodoo Boogie Nya Ljudbolaget-Nya Ljudbolaget Wha Ha Ha-Shinutowika Betsu Von Zamla-Zamlaranamma Guernica released all three of their albums in the 80's, even though I'm a bit sceptical as to calling them ''Prog''. The Residents & Renaldo and the Loaf-Title in Limbo Univers Zero-UZED Present-Le poison qui rend fou Shub-Niggurath-Le morts von vite No Secrets in the Family-In a Certain Light We All Appear Green Non Credo-Reluctant Hosts Frank Zappa-You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore Vol. 1 & 2 There's probably more great stuff from the 80's, but this is what I can think of now.
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: March 05 2011 at 13:09
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I love 80's music ------------- 
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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: March 05 2011 at 13:11
There was some great stuff in the '80s, just as there has been great stuff in every decade or era since mankind first started banging pieces of bone together. Anyone who says anything else is named Walter ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: March 05 2011 at 13:17
Great list. I have almost all of those. Art Zoyd, is, for my tastes a big omission of course from your list. News from Babel is another (very recommended). ../album.asp?id=9105" rel="nofollow"> 
1983 ../album.asp?id=9106" rel="nofollow">  4.33 | 5 ratings
1986 I have the compilation album. |
Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: March 05 2011 at 13:38
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The 1980's was when Eddie Van Halen discovered he could rip off Steve Hackett's tapping technique! I thought it was an evolutionary period in music, having been a direct participant in some of it. Bands like The Police and U2 were thinking & playing outside the box, and caught on....one of the best (IMHO) heavy metal LPs ever made, "Heaven and Hell" by Black Sabbath, was issued....and Metallica was starting their ascent. Plus, I saw more good concerts than I could easily name....Moody Blues, Chick Corea with Frank Gambale, Al Dimeola, John McLaughlin etc. The music was there, but you couldn't expect it to be handed on a platter to you! Radio went from disco to punk to indie to grunge to rap at lightning speed. Anything with a Mellotron was laughed at as "old hippie" music! Still, guys like Fripp figured out how to catch lightning in a bottle & came out the better for it.
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Posted By: Luna
Date Posted: March 05 2011 at 14:03
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I think the 80s were good for metal and Rush, nothing else.
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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: March 05 2011 at 14:43
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This is what the public wanted to listen to: http://www.digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_billbord4.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_billbord4.html I really didn't care, because I was jamming in bands with guys from the USA, UK and Oz, having a great time! My radio pretty much sat cold & dead in the 1980's, the only vids that caught my interest were Gabriel's, and I was able to find enough live jazz-rock fusion music going on to keep my interest up.
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Posted By: zravkapt
Date Posted: March 05 2011 at 15:39
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Some good '80s prog:
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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: March 05 2011 at 16:04
I had to suffer through garbage like this in the 1980's, it was HORRIBLE!!  |
Posted By: Abstrakt
Date Posted: March 05 2011 at 16:30
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No way!
Some great 80's prog albums:
Ozric Tentacles - Sliding Gliding Worlds
Rush - Moving Pictures
Marillion - Clutching at Straws
King Crimson - Discipline
Pink Floyd - A Momentary Lapse of Reason
Eloy - Colours
Yes - Drama
Captain Beefheart & His Magic Band - Doc at the Radar Station
Electronic Music, Alternative Rock, Post-Punk & Heavy Metal are other great genres that blossomed in the 80's aswell :D
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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: March 05 2011 at 23:17
| 80s did have some good prog but 70s, 90s and 00s all produced more good prog so it is, let's say, the "least great" era of prog, a more polite way of putting it. "Worst" can put off people. |
Posted By: maribor
Date Posted: March 06 2011 at 06:32
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Shub Niggurath, Univers Zero, Present, Art Zoyd, Magma, Eskaton, Zappa, Uberfall, Mike Oldfield - they all produced some of their best stuff in the 80s and I'm probably forgetting quite a few artists as well.
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Posted By: Johnnytuba
Date Posted: March 06 2011 at 07:11
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Posted By: topographicbroadways
Date Posted: March 06 2011 at 07:22
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The only thing i really miss in the 80's is the Mellotron. Nobody can claim those string emulators sounded anything close to as good as Mellotrons -------------
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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: March 06 2011 at 08:26
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there was a lot of good music in the eighties. Prog had its heydays in the seventies, like jazz-rock.
But there were nonetheless a load of good prog rock bands (Marillion, Saga, Castanarc, IQ, Ain Soph, Aksak Maboul, Queensryche, Fates Warning, Ruins, Steve Morse Band, Thinking Plague, Pablo el Enterrador, Watchtower, It Bites, Malomenos, In Spe, Kenso, Thule, Rebekka, Bacamarte, Steve Vai's Flex-able, 5 UU's, Shub Niggurath, Coda, Sagrado Coraçao da Terra, Ozric Tentacles, Mekong Delta, The Muffins, This Heat, However, Debile Menthol, 12th night, Watchtower, Doctor Nerve, Biota) or prog-related bands/artists (K.U.K.L., Talk Talk, Japan, Laurie Anderson, Kate Bush, Geoff Mann, Dalbello, King's X, Michael Garrison, David Borden, Bernd Kistenmacher, Patrick O'Hearn, Software, Steve Roach, Massacre, Voivod) and some usual suspects of the seventies continued to release good albums (Anthony Phillips, Rupert Hine, Rush, Kansas, Dixie Dregs, Brian Eno, Harold Budd, King Crimson, Los Jaivas, Tangerine Dream, Jean-Michel Jarre, Vangelis, Synergy, Frank Zappa, Klaus Schulze, Allan Holdsworth, Art Zoyd, The Enid, Nu, Alas, COS, Univers Zero, Roy Harper)
So, to sum up a lot of neo and RIO in the eighties. ------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: let prog reign
Date Posted: March 06 2011 at 09:05
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[QUOTE=greenback] king crimson - red sorry but this was not made in the 80's ------------- Once upon a time there was some writing on the wall we all ignored, until the time that there was war and feasts of famine at our door |
Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: March 06 2011 at 09:09
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probably 'discipline', there must have been a confusion between the name of the 1974 album and the colour of the 1981 album. ------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: himtroy
Date Posted: March 06 2011 at 12:17
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Well Frank Zappa was still alive so this is a false statement. ------------- Which of you to gain me, tell, will risk uncertain pains of hell? I will not forgive you if you will not take the chance. |
Posted By: himtroy
Date Posted: March 06 2011 at 12:18
I think we can say this about all analog vs digital technology. Digital at it's absolute best is only equivalent to analog in tone. Convenience is much higher in digital, but I'd rather have a Moog, the harder to tame beast, than a digital keyboard, the throwaway computer sounding garbage. I can handle ambient digital synths but leads are usually pretty bad and fake sounding. ------------- Which of you to gain me, tell, will risk uncertain pains of hell? I will not forgive you if you will not take the chance. |
Posted By: topographicbroadways
Date Posted: March 06 2011 at 12:53
it's not so much the analogue vs digital thing with Mellotron vs. string emulation because the mellotron was an instrument in it's own right with the unique sound it made, which is nowadays emulated in digital but in the 80's it was just a sound made to be like a string section, not as atmospheric or pleasant to listen to -------------
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: March 06 2011 at 13:06
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I wonder where this idea that the 80's was good for Neo prog came from. After you get past Marillion, IQ, Pendragon, Pallas and Twelfth Night theres almost nothing of value. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005 
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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: March 06 2011 at 13:31
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Come to think of it, the '80s saw the return of "prog as pop"! If you are old enough, think back to Asia's "Heat of the Moment," GTR's "When the Heart Rules the Mind," Saga's "On the Loose," Yes's "Owner" etc. etc. This stuff was HUGELY popular with young audiences at the time! This was reminiscent of radio in the early 1970's, when Yes' "Roundabout," ELP's "From the Beginning," Flash's "Small Beginnings," and Focus's "Hocus Pocus" were all fighting for airplay! Early 70's were a great time to grow up, believe me! (
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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: March 06 2011 at 13:36
Well, that just about WAS neo-prog in the 80's. Most of the other notable acts came in the following decade. ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: March 06 2011 at 15:47
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Posted By: boo boo
Date Posted: March 06 2011 at 19:44
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You know, the 80s really didn't have more crap music than any other decade. That's such a myth. A lot of pop music from the 70s was pretty terrible. Dan Fogelberg, c'mon now.
Thin plastic sounds? Compared to today?
There was more to the 80s than freaking Flock of Seaguls.
You forgot to mention Michael Jackson, Talking Heads, The Cure, The Police, XTC, New Order, Peter Gabriel, Kate Bush, The Smiths, Prince, U2, Iron Maiden, Metallica, Van Halen, Public Enemy, Beastie Boys, Killing Joke, Minutemen, Dead Kennedys, Black Flag, Sonic Youth, Pixies, Violent Femmes, REM, The Replacements, X, Bad Brains, Meat Puppets, Tom Waits, Brian Eno, Cocteau Twins, Talk Talk and many others.
The 80s would have done just fine without prog, and it did. Prog is not the be all/end all of music.
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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: March 06 2011 at 19:47
But there was a lot of RIO and some pioneering efforts in prog metal that had already begun to give shape to the genre. Some good jazz fusion. Of course, in spread, it still doesn't compare to other decades of prog. |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: March 06 2011 at 19:55
A lot of people dislike 80s synth and drum tones and it's quite justified. Maybe you're just immune to that possibly by listening to a lot of 80s music in your formative years, doesn't mean everybody has to be, get over it. Across the board, lots and lots of bands in the 80s sported these tones. Even Chad sounds crap in Metal Fatigue though his playing is amazing. Today, artists have the option of using better tones and better production, making robotic dance songs of the sort one hears on radio is their prerogative but you can produce an album really well, should you want to, today. |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: March 06 2011 at 20:51
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Meh, music in the 1980s was mostly dreadful, no matter how much lipstick you slop on the pig. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: boo boo
Date Posted: March 06 2011 at 21:04
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Writing off a whole decade because you're biased towards the decade of YOUR formative years is not justifiable at all. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/kingboobs/?chartstyle=LastfmSuicjdeGirls" rel="nofollow">
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