Forum Home Forum Home > Progressive Music Lounges > Prog Recommendations/Featured albums
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - Is Rush prog
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login

Is Rush prog
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1 6789>
Author
Message
  Topic Search Topic Search  Topic Options Topic Options
verslibre View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: July 01 2004
Location: CA
Status: Offline
Points: 17664 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote verslibre Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 31 2024 at 14:07
Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

Originally posted by Iantumaros Iantumaros wrote:

You have evidently mistaken me for another individual.
Originally posted by meAsoi meAsoi wrote:

To reiterate just once again: I am not the person you think I am! Bye.
I'm noticing a pattern here 🤔
eBay
Back to Top
Atavachron View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: September 30 2006
Location: Pearland
Status: Offline
Points: 65398 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Atavachron Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 31 2024 at 15:15
^ classic Cliff House shot.
"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought."   -- John F. Kennedy
Back to Top
yam yam View Drop Down
Collaborator
Collaborator
Avatar
Crossover Team

Joined: June 16 2011
Location: Kerberos
Status: Offline
Points: 6614 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote yam yam Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 31 2024 at 19:56
Nothing whatsoever to do with whether Rush is prog or not, but just to clear up something that was touched upon earlier in this thread, the old Art Rock sub on here was split into Crossover, Heavy and Eclectic in early to mid September 2007. I think the day that the change went 'live' for new suggestions was the 13th.
Back to Top
richardh View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer
Avatar

Joined: February 18 2004
Location: United Kingdom
Status: Offline
Points: 28561 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote richardh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 01 2025 at 04:02
Originally posted by rushaholic rushaholic wrote:

7 pages - a lot of air on what Rush is.

long time Rush fan here.  i remember when i started listening to them when 2112 came out.  one thing i did not ask myself in 1976 - is Rush prog or progressive or hard prog or whatever.  just sounded pretty damn awesome.

can guarantee Neil doesn't give a crap how we classify them.  which i guess is really what all the fuss is about - how is Rush classified?  i know you all feel the need to categorize them here on this site.  for me, i could care less.  and after all of my time here - i see have a hard time understanding you all as to what is progressive or prog, etc.

i think i'll head back to work now listening to some Hemispheres...

An album with side long suite is going to be a progressive rock album. The thread was clearly a bit of trolling initially but with things so quiet around here it's always a fun topic to talk about. Rush are either a great hard rock band that strayed into prog or a mediocre 'after the fact' proggish band this reappropriated the genre for its own evil purposes. As you say it doesn't matter at all. The music is still the music. They appeal to straight ahead rock fans as much as many prog fans. That's a good trick to pull off. At least they were good at PR and marketing if nothing else Wink
Back to Top
Jeffro View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: March 29 2014
Location: USA
Status: Offline
Points: 2186 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Jeffro Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 01 2025 at 07:17
Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Rush did go through different incarnations but never stunk up the place. Roll The Bones was actually the album that brought me back to Rush in the 90's. I thought it was fresh sounding and interesting. Many though regard it as their worst album. Another reason why I like them so much.


They never "stunk up the joint," but at times they got a bit close for my comfort. Unfortunately, I do think Roll the Bones isn't aging that well, mainly due to the dodgy production and the meh-ness (pun intended) of Side 2, with the worst offenders being "Neurotica" and "You Bet Your Life."

Counterparts was a huge step back in the right direction! I skip no songs on that one (and I do on Test for Echo).

But, on the '90s flipside, Alex's Victor album is very much a foray into elements Rush didn't incorporate, and I think it's a successful one. Geddy's My Favorite Headache is very solid, too.



Regarding Roll The Bones
I agree wholeheartedly. Meh sums it up quite well. Dreamline is great. Where's My Thing isn't bad. the rest is just so much whatever.


Regarding Alex and Geddy solo projects
Victor is awesome. It's chaotic and all over the road. That's why I love it. It's Alex cutting loose. My Favorite Headache is more consistent and melodic but is a little too safe. At the time, I remember thinking that it would have been better had Geddy rocked out a little more. There are some good songs but on the whole I prefer Victor.

Edited by Jeffro - January 01 2025 at 08:04
We all dwell in an amber subdomain, amber subdomain, amber subdomain.

My face IS a maserati
Back to Top
David_D View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: October 26 2010
Location: Copenhagen
Status: Offline
Points: 15341 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote David_D Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 01 2025 at 07:23
Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

I do agree that quite a few of these sub-genres that doesn't really exist outside of PA are silly. Heavy Prog isn't my biggest annoyance though. At least it make more sense to me than Crossover and Eclectic.

In general, not so few of PA's "sub-genres" make definitely most sense to me when considered as sub-categories of progressive music, while Eclectic Prog is quite fine with me. I think of it as similar to RYM's tag "Progressive Rock", which is the only one RYM use for Progressive Rock albums that can't be classified by one of RYM's Prog sub-genres.

Progressive Rock is simply put what everything lumped into Eclectic Prog is - and Progressive Rock is eclectic by nature. You can't be Progressive Rock unless you "blend elements from various musical sources". RYM gets it right while PA "invents a genre" and places prototypical/iconic Prog Rock bands such as GG, VdGG and KC in there. In my opinion it's misleading, and the genre-description doesn't really match the seemingly random bands they've decided should go there. Or rather, it matches almost every single band associated with Prog Rock.

I reckon that if I knew more of the bands placed in Eclectic Prog, I would be better qualified to have an opinion about it, but GG, VdGG and KC look fine in there to me, as bands which can't be classified by one of the main Prog sub-genres.
                      quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond
Back to Top
Jeffro View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: March 29 2014
Location: USA
Status: Offline
Points: 2186 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Jeffro Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 01 2025 at 07:31
Originally posted by meAsoi meAsoi wrote:

Originally posted by johnobvious johnobvious wrote:

I just finished Geddy Lee's book and he referred to their music as prog rock several times like it was a given.
Being a part of the prog rock community is like wearing a badge of honour for a number of Rush fans, so it's great that Geddy wants to keep his followers happy by flying the prog rock flag. But let's face it: just because you say you’re part of the club doesn't mean you've got the membership card! It's like claiming you're a member of an exclusive society simply because you’ve read about it in a book.


While Rush's total output does not fall under the prog umbrella, if you don't think some of Rush's 70s music was prog then you need to have your ears checked. There's plenty of Genesis that's not prog. There's plenty of Floyd that's not prog. No one seems to trash those bands because of that. Rush, on the other hand, gets trashed all the time. Double standards at work.
We all dwell in an amber subdomain, amber subdomain, amber subdomain.

My face IS a maserati
Back to Top
Saperlipopette! View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: December 20 2010
Location: Tomorrowland
Status: Offline
Points: 12060 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Saperlipopette! Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 01 2025 at 07:42
Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

I reckon that if I knew more of the bands placed in Eclectic Prog, I would be better qualified to have an opinion about it, but GG, VdGG and KC look fine in there to me, as bands which can't be classified by one of the main Prog sub-genres.
Canterbury, Zeuhl, RIO/Avant, Jazz Rock Fusion... are all fine by me. But I think a lot of Progressive Rock bands should simply be "Progressive Rock". That is the most fitting main genre for GG, VdGG and KC. There's no need for Eclectic Prog at all.
Back to Top
David_D View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: October 26 2010
Location: Copenhagen
Status: Offline
Points: 15341 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote David_D Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 01 2025 at 07:54
Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

I reckon that if I knew more of the bands placed in Eclectic Prog, I would be better qualified to have an opinion about it, but GG, VdGG and KC look fine in there to me, as bands which can't be classified by one of the main Prog sub-genres.
Canterbury, Zeuhl, RIO/Avant, Jazz Rock Fusion... are all fine by me. But I think a lot of Progressive Rock bands should simply be "Progressive Rock". That is the most fitting main genre for GG, VdGG and KC. There's no need for Eclectic Prog at all.

And what about Symphonic Prog and Neo-Prog?
                      quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond
Back to Top
Saperlipopette! View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: December 20 2010
Location: Tomorrowland
Status: Offline
Points: 12060 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Saperlipopette! Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 01 2025 at 08:01
^ They serve a purpose I guess. Although I personally just use Prog (or Progressive) Rock about all Symphonic Prog too.
Back to Top
Nogbad_The_Bad View Drop Down
Forum & Site Admin Group
Forum & Site Admin Group
Avatar
RIO/Avant/Zeuhl & Eclectic Team

Joined: March 16 2007
Location: Boston
Status: Offline
Points: 21005 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Nogbad_The_Bad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 01 2025 at 08:27
Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

I reckon that if I knew more of the bands placed in Eclectic Prog, I would be better qualified to have an opinion about it, but GG, VdGG and KC look fine in there to me, as bands which can't be classified by one of the main Prog sub-genres.
Canterbury, Zeuhl, RIO/Avant, Jazz Rock Fusion... are all fine by me. But I think a lot of Progressive Rock bands should simply be "Progressive Rock". That is the most fitting main genre for GG, VdGG and KC. There's no need for Eclectic Prog at all.


I have all those bands in a 'prog rock' genre on my ipod along with Yes and Genesis while having separate genres for RIO, Canterbury, Zeuhl, Krautrock, Electronic etc.
Ian

Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com

https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/
Back to Top
Saperlipopette! View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: December 20 2010
Location: Tomorrowland
Status: Offline
Points: 12060 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Saperlipopette! Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 01 2025 at 08:33
^About the same as me it seems.    
Back to Top
verslibre View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: July 01 2004
Location: CA
Status: Offline
Points: 17664 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote verslibre Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 01 2025 at 11:28
Originally posted by Jeffro Jeffro wrote:

Regarding Alex and Geddy solo projects
Victor is awesome. It's chaotic and all over the road. That's why I love it. It's Alex cutting loose. My Favorite Headache is more consistent and melodic but is a little too safe. At the time, I remember thinking that it would have been better had Geddy rocked out a little more. There are some good songs but on the whole I prefer Victor.


When I first put on Victor and "Don't Care" rolled forth with the subtlety of a steamroller flattening a fire ant mound, I knew it was a winner. "Promise" also cooks with fire, and Dalbello's vocal on "Start Today" stamped it and waved it through. The rest was icing on the cake. "Strip and Go Naked" is a great instrumental. Indeed, Lerxst got to cut loose. The new remix-reissue adds some songs, while the reissue of Geddy's doesn't (and it could use some). I do like MFH, but it does feel a bit safe when we know what he's capable of.
eBay
Back to Top
verslibre View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: July 01 2004
Location: CA
Status: Offline
Points: 17664 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote verslibre Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 01 2025 at 11:30
Originally posted by Jeffro Jeffro wrote:

While Rush's total output does not fall under the prog umbrella, if you don't think some of Rush's 70s music was prog then you need to have your ears checked. There's plenty of Genesis that's not prog. There's plenty of Floyd that's not prog. No one seems to trash those bands because of that. Rush, on the other hand, gets trashed all the time. Double standards at work.


Floyd's sacred cow status really annoys me.
eBay
Back to Top
Cristi View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Crossover / Prog Metal Teams

Joined: July 27 2006
Location: wonderland
Status: Offline
Points: 44622 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cristi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 01 2025 at 11:51
Originally posted by Jeffro Jeffro wrote:


While Rush's total output does not fall under the prog umbrella, if you don't think some of Rush's 70s music was prog then you need to have your ears checked. There's plenty of Genesis that's not prog. There's plenty of Floyd that's not prog. No one seems to trash those bands because of that. Rush, on the other hand, gets trashed all the time. Double standards at work.

There was "is Pink Floyd prog?" thread not so long ago. And a "DSOTM is overrated" thread... So I don't think there are double standards here. 


Edited by Cristi - January 01 2025 at 11:51
Back to Top
Floydoid View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: April 02 2007
Location: Planet Prog
Status: Offline
Points: 1733 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Floydoid Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 01 2025 at 12:31
Well the Floyd cross many sub-genres, including psych/space in the first part of their career (Piper to OBC), then symphonic/eclectic in mid* career (DSOTM to TFC), and crossover in the Watersless era.

*The Wall is arguably heavy prog

Edited by Floydoid - January 01 2025 at 12:32
'We're going to need a bigger swear jar.'
Back to Top
verslibre View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: July 01 2004
Location: CA
Status: Offline
Points: 17664 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote verslibre Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 01 2025 at 12:49
Originally posted by Floydoid Floydoid wrote:

*The Wall is arguably heavy prog


Two songs, maybe.
eBay
Back to Top
richardh View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer
Avatar

Joined: February 18 2004
Location: United Kingdom
Status: Offline
Points: 28561 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote richardh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Yesterday at 00:35
Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by Jeffro Jeffro wrote:

While Rush's total output does not fall under the prog umbrella, if you don't think some of Rush's 70s music was prog then you need to have your ears checked. There's plenty of Genesis that's not prog. There's plenty of Floyd that's not prog. No one seems to trash those bands because of that. Rush, on the other hand, gets trashed all the time. Double standards at work.


Floyd's sacred cow status really annoys me.

Actually I don't think there is much Floyd that is not prog as such. Admittedly I only listen to 3 of their albums regularly (and that's enough to put them in my top ten favourite bands) but mostly they avoided straight up pop like Genesis did at times and only put out 2 serious 'Gilmour era' albums that still have a prog feel to them although are closer to AOR perhaps. Floyd are unique in so many ways and brought prog to the masses more than any other band. Also on a personal level I needed an album like The Wall at a difficult time when there was precious little else that was challenging society's values in an intelligent artistic way. They get a pass from me.
Back to Top
Floydoid View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: April 02 2007
Location: Planet Prog
Status: Offline
Points: 1733 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Floydoid Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 hours 40 minutes ago at 04:45
^Wise words
'We're going to need a bigger swear jar.'
Back to Top
David_D View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: October 26 2010
Location: Copenhagen
Status: Offline
Points: 15341 		Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote David_D Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 7 hours 37 minutes ago at 17:48

Animals and maybe Meddle are the only Floyd albums that really seem Prog to me. The rest of it is too psychedelic, melodic and similar to mainstream Rock, and the mass popularity of Floyd just confirms all this to me. Big smile





Edited by David_D - 6 hours 44 minutes ago at 18:41
                      quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1 6789>

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down



This page was generated in 0.184 seconds.
Donate monthly and keep PA fast-loading and ad-free forever.