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TCat
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Here are my votes:
1. Black String 2. Nursat Fateh Ali Khan 3. Isfar Sarabski & Band Mono would have been a top 3 for sure if I wasn't already very familiar with their excellent music and already own several of their albums.
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Lewian
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From something I just read: "In the present postcolonial world, the notion of an authentic culture as an autonomous internally coherent universe no longer seems tenable, except perhaps as a useful fiction - or a revealing distortion" (Renato Rosaldo, cited by Paul Feyerabend) Feyerabend himself adds: "If every culture is potentially all cultures, then cultural differences lose their ineffability and become special and changeable manifestations of a common human nature." By the way @Lorenzo: I don't know to what extent and in which sense what Nakamura does is "typically Japanese", neither do I know which aspects of it are of Japanese origin, and to be honest, I don't mind much. Or let's say, I'd be interested in the information, but it wouldn't affect my listening. I know that he is not alone in Japan doing such things, and I suspect a certain connection to Japanese fascination with technology, and a certain extreme strain in Japanese culture that can manifest itself in very experimental avantgarde art and music... but then this is not only Japanese, see above. I should also say that I don't normally listen to Nakamura's music analytically. It has a certain direct, meditative, enrichening effect on me. One could maybe say that such music integrates more in my life and environment and enhances it. I can perceive it as autonomous music, however it has more interaction with my general perception than most other music has (for example I can perceive other sounds and noises happening at the same time as integrating with it).
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mathman0806
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My votes:
1. Nursat Fateh Ali Khan: Mustt Mustt - I had heard one of the other tracks Lorenzo posted and had been meaning to listen to more of Ali Khan's music. 2. Geinoh Yamashirogumi: Osorezan - I do recall seeing Greg posting this elsewhere as I remember the scream, but had not listened to it in full. I also know their work from the Akira soundtrack. 3. The Chieftains ft. Akiko Jano: Sake in the Jar - I enjoyed the very Japanese vocals, rhythms, and mix with the Celtic. Honorable mentions: Jambinai and Mono - I knew both of these beforehand, even though I had not heard the live version of the Mono track, I do have the studio album Nowhere Now Here along with several others. Altin Gun - Was a finalist and narrowly missed out. Isfar Sarabski - I preferred the "jazzier" parts with band more than the solo piano playing, which was very good.
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mathman0806
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Thanks to Mike and Nickie for voting for Black String.
The leader of the group is Yoon Jeong Heo who plays the geomungo (tradition Korean zither). Also known as hyeongeum, which is translated to "black zither" and where the group derives it's name. Most of their tracks are instrumentals but they do have some with vocals and I nearly posted this one, which I found riveting, called Exhale-Puri. A very shamanistic song in the way it's sung. The expelling of "bad energy" felt very appropriate for the past year, though the song was on their 2019 album released prior to the pandemic. Also want to show a video for another Korean band Dongyand Gozupa that falls within a similar soundscape though the lead instrument for this group is the yanggeum (Korean hammered dulcimer). |
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I also got the meditative aspect of it, Christian, I found it very soothing, albeit not "musical," in the sense of certain kinds of patterns that are typically thought of as "music," or presentation, such as verse/chorus/verse. It certainly was organized sound, however, which is another definition of music. |
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Meant to add this. Something interesting in regards to traditional Korean music compared to Japanese and Chinese music. Black String is very improvisational in their approach. The following is a question asked to the leader of Black String and her reply.
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suitkees
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Hmm, interesting read. I'm not knowledgeable enough to state something more general about music made in Asia or one of the Asian countries, however, I'm very reluctant to generalize about cultures or about artistic expressions... And I'm very weary to think that there could exist such a thing as "a pure form" of ("ethnic") music, as their is no "pure form" in painting or in cinema (even when there have been claims to it; e.g. "cinéma pur"). Next step would be to think that there is a "pure form" of this or that culture and then we arrive in very dangerous territory, in my opinion. We probably know our own culture the best, but would have a damn hard time to define it by just a couple of keywords: there is so much diversity within our own culture that I suspect that there is as much diversity in other cultures, which generate a wide variety of artistic expressions. Bringing them down to a limited number of characteristics may help us understand some aspects of that culture, but many other aspects will have been left out and could lead to other views... What I find very interesting with this poll theme is that it has shown this diversity of the artistic/musical expressions. In my eyes (and ears), this richness is much more telling than any generalization about it could be. And in the end, it is just about personal appreciation and preferences... |
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Lewian
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Ultimately I managed to click myself through to the playlist a few times without server errors, so I can vote. This is very, very hard, with more than three choices that appeal to my tastes very much, mixing modern and to me "exotic" and surprising elements. I wasn't tempted to vote for, but still like... The Balinese Monkey chant... big fun, if probably a bit far from my cultural setup; Fatih Erkoc - not my style really but I have to admire the vocal performance, and listening to end end ultimately it's quite something; Kodo: I have seen something like this live, surely not bad but with the existing competition can't win in 1:40. I have a hard time voting against... Altin Gul and The Chieftains, really well done and fascinating pop music to which teh Asian element attracts me a lot; Isfar Sarabski - this is just high quality stuff and a good mix of different influences well brought together. I have a very hard time voting against... Mono: I love post rock and this is a great example - just went for those where I can hear Asia more clearly this time... Monks of DipTseChokLing Monast: Meditative music that works very well for me and has a richer sound spectrum than most I have heard of this kind... meditation however is different from finding a winner in a competition... Jambinai: For a long time I was convinced I would be voting for this, really great stuff of the kind that will always get me, but ultimately decided to only vote for one of this and Black String and the latter had a 0.1% higher fascination factor. Still left with four I guess, so... Black String goes out, too, as the Geinoh Yamashirogumi one is such a feast and still, in my perception, the same "direction" in some sense. That leaves me with: 3) Dewa Alit & Gamelan Salukat: Yeh Ngetel/Dripping Water: Is this traditional? It sounds so strikingly modern! Maybe I'd play this less often than Black String, Jambinai or some others, but how this is connected to some of the most groundbreaking 20th century Western music is just striking. 2) Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan: This is addictive as the best (or worst) drug... 1) Geinoh Yamashirogum: SO impressive this one! Could be contender for best out of all interactive polls, surely top 3. As always I didn't check whose suggestions I have voted for (I kind of prefer if this is not indicated in the poll, as I may be biased by it to some extent, like "I have voted for X last time, so now I vote for Y" or something), so I'll now look who got my votes... ...some of the usual suspects.
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jamesbaldwin
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First impressions: - Jambinai: Onda / Prelude Minimalistic atmospheric song, which touches the new age, short, it seems like an intro to me. - Kodo: Stomp. Short percussive piece, which might have been interesting if it had a development - Geinoh Yamashirogumi: Osorezan. Long piece, an evocative mini suite based on voices and percussion. Contender
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jamesbaldwin
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First impression: In this case, I think: if they had added a keyboard, even acoustic, and the vocals, of any kind ...
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jamesbaldwin
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Akiko Jano.
I know this song well because I have this Chieftans album, which I liked very much although not as much as the previous one (where Ry Cooder, Sting, Van Morrison etc. were). This is a hybrid song between Celtic folk and Japanese atmospheres and singing, very soft and pleasant, with interesting moments especially when the interpreter sings, the music always remains on an accompanying level, it does not have great narrative moments. There is no climax but it is all very pleasant.
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Thanks for the answer Christian, because, in fact, I was going to ask you how you approach this music, that is, what is the way and the moment in which you listen to it. I am ignorant of electronic music (or electronic musical experiments) and in fact I often wonder what kind of approach it requires, because in my opinion cultured music or jazz or electronic often requires a different listening in comparison to that of rock. For example, you don't listen to a rock piece while you are meditating, unless it is a moving meditation, such as those designed by Osho. I also did Zen meditation, but we were silent, while some oriental or new age music would be good for meditation at the end of the yoga sessions. What you tell me is an experiment of integration between music and you who meditate and hear other sounds and noises around you, a bit like Cage's 4 minutes and 33 of silence, which has its meaning especially live, where you hear the noises surrounding. In any case I am interested in sound research, in fact I love the Beatles who among the firsts made it starting from Rubber Soul / Revolver, and if I ask you for information it is because when you post experimental electronic music that combines sound experimentation with a musical score (as you did in the penultimate poll), the masterpiece often comes out, so this Japanese artist might be interesting to me if he tried to write less extreme pieces. |
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Even though I am just waking up, have not yet had coffee, so will not be terribly erudite, I agree so much with this, Kees. The quest for and the definining, insistence upon purity can be a very dangerous thing, indeed. Strength in diversity and all that, which this poll certainly illustrated. And always, in the end, just personal appreciation and preferences. I would add that the sharing here can also expand those things that we appreciate and prefer, with the exposure to them, it is something I have certainly experienced herein.
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Logan
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I'm so happy it was appreciated. I know it could seem a bit too extreme and over-the-top for some in part. I know lots of Geinoh Yamashirogumi and find that a very unique piece. I like everything about it, and really enjoy the Krautrock-like groove to it as well as the cultural qualities that come through. When I mention that track to others, I usually preface it with a quote from the film Barbarella: "A good many dramatic situations begin with screaming." Interestingly, though maybe not surprising, you choice was my number one this round. I too avoided paying attention to who posted what. I didn't know or remember that that was yours and also don't wish to be biased against voting for someone's choice who I have voted for various time before in my desire for equal opportunity. That said, everyone in these polls has posted music that I really like, so not sure how much that would effect me. I wanted to post your post in full because it resonates with me on my thinking process when it comes to deciding, and this is me sharing related thoughts and tangents as I often do. I commonly don't like to analyse music that much and instead just experience it without my mind ticking over (like a meditative state of mind stillness without intrusive thoughts), which is one reason why I don't tend to review music much or comment that much on the music generally. Such analysis can spoil my pleasure. I would be comfortable approaching it as you have there. I remember writing papers on films where afterwards, despite having been favourites, I never wanted to watch them again. If there are two similar sounding tracks, even if I really like both, I am less likely to want to vote for both, and so will go with the one that has some edge to me. The more unique ones, maybe not intrinsically but in comparison to others in the list, tend to stand out. I knew I wanted to do Osorezan from the get go, and it is a unique offering in the list (most are in their ways). I also found your choice unique in the list, and such expression does really appeal to me. Like you, I like the Mono very much (also unique in the list) and despite knowing it well already, I was tempted. As always, plenty of great ones to choose from. I am constantly impressed with the selections in these polls, and love being exposed to new musical avenues. It gets me listening to things properly of an ilk that I might not otherwise and appreciating the diversity. Edited by Logan - September 12 2021 at 09:17 |
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Lewian
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Hahaha, this probably means both of us have a weak enough memory that we can "forget" who posted what when going through the playlist. I know it works for me, chances are it wouldn't work for somebody with an at least "normal" (?) memory. Otherwise, thanks a lot for the kind words!
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TCat
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Lorenzo, Apparently you did only listen to the prelude part which is an intro. This was supposed to have been combined with the track "Onda" and should have been a total of over 9 minutes. It sounds like you missed the main part of the video. I noticed that it is listed wrong in the voting section as it should read.... Jambinai - "Prelude/Onda" You heard the prelude part but missed the main part of the video.
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Other impressions: Monks of DipTseChokLing Monast: For Gya Ling & Dung Chen, Tibet The nice thing about this song, for my taste, is the sound of ethnic instruments. I have practiced Zen meditation and Qi Gong, and I have already heard something similar. Overall, the result is hypnotic and perhaps a little boring if a person listens to it not for meditation. Honorable mention. Baraka: Balinese Monkey Chant This is a tribal song, hypnotic, as always happens with tribal dances and songs, the valuable thing is the singing, which takes on rhythmic figures worthy of the verses of the birds. In its own way, this too is experimentation. Contender or honorable mention. Isfar Sarabski & Band: Novruz; this is a syncopated instrumental piece with a progressive beginning and then western jazz digressions, then the syncopated piece restarts to reach a crescendo final climax. Contender or honorable mention. Fatih Erkoç: Emmoglu: this song starts melodic, turns into an American style blues, comes a jazz trumpet solo (the best part of the song), then the same sequence starts again with an instrumental piece at the end. The mix of musical genres here is achieved in a brutal way, with very strong passages. Altin Gün: Tatli Dile Güler Yüze: Basically is a syncopated blues with an oriental guitar swing and singing, quite pumped pop music, very enjoyable. Mono: Nowhere, Now Here A ten and a half minute piece, instrumental, very pumped up mini suite. I like the soft beginning more. Honorable mention
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Logan
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I used to pride myself on my memory, but in recent years it has declined significantly. It doesn't help that I sleep so little. Recently, though, I must admit that I haven't been paying as much attention to the posts as I used to and am more likely to just wait for the playlist to go up to listen and not listen as many times as I used to. Or at least I think so, I forget. |
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jamesbaldwin
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Thanks, Mike, in fact the song last almost 10 minutes, very poerful and aggressive. Wonderful
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