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Flyingsod
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Posted: June 15 2012 at 00:14 |
Number one thing to realize is that dietary cholesterol does not normally raise blood cholesterol. It just does not matter how much cholesterol you eat. It just does not matter how much cholesterol is in a food item.
Number two thing to realize( its actually more important) is there is almost no evidence that having a high blood cholesterol level increases you risk of heart attack. For women, it's an absolute... there is ZERO evidence that women should be worried about cholesterol. All modern studies are showing it just isn't a factor in predicting heart disease for any of us. We also now know that high cholesterol levels are desirable for the elderly as they greatly reduce risk of Alzheimers and other brain degenerative diseases. Did you all know that your brain is mostly made of cholesterol? Or that every single cell in your body uses cholesterol in its cellular walls? Or that cholesterol is so damn important to your health that every cell in your body has the capability of making it?
For those of you who are genuinely concerned about your heart health the blood numbers you want to look at are your HDL to Triglyceride ratio. Dividing your triglycerides with your HDL should get you a number of 2 or less. more than that and you'd better start looking into it.
Another thing to look into for those of you that care is that "LDL" does not tell the whole story. there are actually two types of LDL (so called bad cholesterol) that get lumped together in the testing because its too expensive to test individually. One type of LDL is small and dense and the other type is bulky and not dense.
There is way to much info to put in here but if anyone is interested you can PM me about it. Im not a DR btw, all I can do is to point you to the appropriate research to look into things for yourself. Eat well :)
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darkshade
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Posted: June 15 2012 at 00:32 |
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Flyingsod
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Posted: June 15 2012 at 00:38 |
All righty then... let me tell you about fructose, which is half of sucrose (table sugar). J/K lets not go there.
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Blacksword
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Posted: June 15 2012 at 04:16 |
Snow Dog wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Dean wrote:
Gaaahhh!!! Bacon is not 100% LDL, it is not PURE LDL - it is 31 mg in 28300mg of "meat" - it is 0.1% LDL |
What I meant is that doesn't have HDL Cholesterol The problem is that you eat the bacon fried, |
Do you? It isn't necessary. A huge amount of people grill it. If I do fry I use a scant amount of oil and then I use kitchen tissue to drain the excess. |
I dry fry it in a griddle pan, using no oil. I also trim the fat off after it's cooked. I guess that's a relatively healthy way to do it.
It always tastes better than if grilled.
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Blacksword
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Posted: June 15 2012 at 04:18 |
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Dean
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Posted: June 15 2012 at 05:16 |
Blacksword wrote:
I dry fry it in a griddle pan, using no oil. I also trim the fat off after it's cooked. I guess that's a relatively healthy way to do it.
It always tastes better than if grilled. |
I always dry fry bacon as it's more controllable than the grill on my cooker (and it doesn't set the smoke alarm off quite as much). I never trim the fat off bacon - that's where all the flavour is - I just render out as much fat as I can (and try to resist the temptation of frying the bread in the rendered bacon fat). What is healthy? The amount of bacon most of us consume in any one meal is relatively small (2 or 3 ounces), that's not unhealthy.
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Jim Garten
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Posted: June 15 2012 at 06:42 |
I never fry bacon in oil/lard/grease - If you buy decent bacon, you don't need any additional fat in the pan; just get the pan very hot & you'll get perfectly cooked bacon every time.
And wherever the debate between HDL/LDL/Transfat/triglycerides etc is going, the bottom line is none of it is essentially dangerous. What is dangerous is eating any of the above to excess... just as it is with any kind of foods, be they fatty, sugary or even (gasp) low fat "healthy" foods.
Eat exactly what you like, just eat less of it - I get pi**ed off with the media trying to portray the food industry as this corporate monster responsible for worldwide (well, certain parts of the western worldwide, anyway) obesity... the only thing which causes obesity (except in a very few cases of glandular disorders) is a lack of restraint & the ignorance of the wobbling classes.
Right!
Rant over...
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I am now going to have a cigarette
Edited by Jim Garten - June 15 2012 at 06:44
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Blacksword
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Posted: June 15 2012 at 07:15 |
Dean wrote:
Blacksword wrote:
I dry fry it in a griddle pan, using no oil. I also trim the fat off after it's cooked. I guess that's a relatively healthy way to do it. It always tastes better than if grilled. |
I always dry fry bacon as it's more controllable than the grill on my cooker (and it doesn't set the smoke alarm off quite as much). I never trim the fat off bacon - that's where all the flavour is - I just render out as much fat as I can (and try to resist the temptation of frying the bread in the rendered bacon fat). What is healthy? The amount of bacon most of us consume in any one meal is relatively small (2 or 3 ounces), that's not unhealthy. |
I agree. I tend not to listen to 'government advice' on what we should and should not be eating.
The point about the fat; I had raised cholestrol some years ago, and got into the habit of not eating the fat on meat. That included trimming it off bacon. I got my cholestrol down, but how of that was to do with modifying what I ate, and how much was related to the sterol drinks and the increased cardio exercise, I don't know.
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darkshade
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Posted: June 15 2012 at 09:49 |
Blacksword wrote:
Hmm, these things aren't real, right?
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Oh yes they are. The bacon sundae is sold at Denny's, and is pretty good.
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Blacksword
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Posted: June 15 2012 at 10:05 |
darkshade wrote:
Blacksword wrote:
Hmm, these things aren't real, right?
| Oh yes they are. The bacon sundae is sold at Denny's, and is pretty good. |
What flavour is the ice cream?
I find the idea pretty gross, to be honest, although, I'm happy to smother bacon in maple syrup, so I guess that's not far off the items, in principle.
I never say never when it comes to food, though, I'd certainly try a 'bacon sundae' out of curiosity if nothing else. I don't think anything like this could catch on over here, although they - allegedly - deep fat fry chocolate bars in Scotland, so I suppose nothing is off limits.
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Jim Garten
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Posted: June 15 2012 at 10:07 |
Blacksword wrote:
I'm happy to smother bacon in maple syrup |
You should bake good sausages & smother them in maple syrup 10 minutes before the end of the cooking time... now that's heaven on a plate
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darkshade
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Posted: June 15 2012 at 10:07 |
Blacksword wrote:
darkshade wrote:
Blacksword wrote:
Hmm, these things aren't real, right?
| Oh yes they are. The bacon sundae is sold at Denny's, and is pretty good. |
What flavour is the ice cream?
I find the idea pretty gross, to be honest, although, I'm happy to smother bacon in maple syrup, so I guess that's not far off the items, in principle.
I never say never when it comes to food, though, I'd certainly try a 'bacon sundae' out of curiosity if nothing else. I don't think anything like this could catch on over here, although they - allegedly - deep fat fry chocolate bars in Scotland, so I suppose nothing is off limits. |
I'm pretty sure it's vanilla ice cream with chocolate syrup and topped with caramel syrup, and bacon. I enjoyed it when I had it. When you've had enough drinks, you kinda eat anything.
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Blacksword
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Posted: June 15 2012 at 10:10 |
Jim Garten wrote:
Blacksword wrote:
I'm happy to smother bacon in maple syrup |
You should bake good sausages & smother them in maple syrup 10 minutes before the end of the cooking time... now that's heaven on a plate |
That does sound good!
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Fright Pig
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Posted: June 15 2012 at 10:17 |
I protest.
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Dean
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Posted: June 15 2012 at 10:19 |
Who's afraid now?
Edited by Dean - June 15 2012 at 10:20
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Fright Pig
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Posted: June 15 2012 at 10:37 |
Let's make a deal...cease and desist all talk about bacon, and I swear that I won't breathe a word about bath salts.
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Jim Garten
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Posted: June 15 2012 at 11:00 |
Here, piggy piggy piggy...
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Snow Dog
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Posted: June 15 2012 at 11:24 |
I Pork Scratchings
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Snow Dog
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Posted: June 15 2012 at 11:25 |
Does anyone remember this T-Shirt from the seventies?
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Snow Dog
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