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bhikkhu
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Posted: March 10 2007 at 00:11 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
^ why the hell do they have to do anything completely new? It's not like Yes or Genesis re-invented the musical wheel. I could say that they were basically ripping off Stravinsky (Yes - Close to the Edge) ... but I'm not. I know much about music - I listen a lot, I play a lot, and I wrote some songs. I know that writing music is always about "ripping off", even if you try to do something completely new you are subconsciously influenced by the music you've been listening to. So why try to "disguise" your influences? |
I don't have a problem with that. My problem is people always making a case for Radiohead by saying they are completely groundbreaking and innovative. I like many artists that are derivative, but I don't tout them as being completely original.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: March 10 2007 at 04:27 |
^ Show me another band that is similar to Radiohead (OK Computer, Kid A, Amnesiac). Find any? If not, then why call them derivative?
It's not like bands are either completely ground breaking or completely derivative. Of course Radiohead are using techniques that have been used before ... every artist does, without exception. Only very, very rarely does a musician "invent" new techniques, and even then it's not *such* a big deal. Example: Many people like Eddie Van Halen because he "invented" tapping. Then some of those people found out that some artists were already doing that a few years before Eddie showed it to the world. Does that now mean that these people should like their favorite Van Halen albums any less?
Edited by MikeEnRegalia - March 10 2007 at 19:58
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laplace
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Posted: March 10 2007 at 04:36 |
yeah, I don't think the "derivativeness" argument holds up around here. people have got the "prog rock is a genre not a movement" point of view solidly stuck in their heads.
and honestly radiohead are just an alt. rock band to me, but I like that they're inspired by krautrock and the use of tape delays and such things. far better and more diverse than most alt. rock bands.
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greenback
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Posted: March 10 2007 at 10:55 |
look at this progression:
alice in chains < our lady peace < radiohead < porcupine tree < pain of salvation < marillion < genesis
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[HEADPINS - LINE OF FIRE: THE RECORD HAVING THE MOST POWERFUL GUITAR SOUND IN THE WHOLE HISTORY OF MUSIC!>
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greenback
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Posted: March 10 2007 at 10:58 |
........................................................prog starts here^
Edited by greenback - March 10 2007 at 11:01
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[HEADPINS - LINE OF FIRE: THE RECORD HAVING THE MOST POWERFUL GUITAR SOUND IN THE WHOLE HISTORY OF MUSIC!>
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: March 10 2007 at 12:18 |
The master of generalization has spoken.
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chamberry
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Posted: March 10 2007 at 16:17 |
I pretty much agree with ALL of Mike's post. Bravo man.
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