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ResidentAlien 
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 Posted: December 30 2006 at 22:11 |
 E-Dub wrote:
ResidentAlien wrote:
Chus wrote:
I'm not saying whether you are a believer or not.... I'm just clarifying to people that christianity is not about eye for an eye... the Qu'ram is though, as it is a version of the old testament... and please don't call Jesus a schmuck... nobody is insulting you for being an atheist I suggest you do the same |
It wasn't an insult. I am one of the most accepting atheists you'd ever meet.
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Well, regardless of what you believe, there are those of us here who honor Jesus and appreciate what he did for us. Maybe a statement like this should be left out of the forum.
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Well, regardless of what you believe, there are those of us here who
honor Bush and appreciate what he did for us. Maybe a statement like
this should be left out of the forum.Maybe a statement like "Bush should be executed" should be left out of the forum. Hell, everyone expects a double standard.
Edited by ResidentAlien - December 30 2006 at 22:18
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DarioIndjic
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Posted: December 30 2006 at 22:20 |
I don't believe this hollywood made crap,If they are executing Saddam how it is possible that they didnt found Ben Laden yet?
Im sure that Saddam and his family were exiled by Americans to somewhere in safety.And the one who is being 'executed' is some Saddam's clone.
I know it sounds stupid but i believe that its the truth.
Take a look here :
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=1079
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?id=729
http://www.news24.com/News24/World/Iraq/0,,2-10-1460_1547794,00.html
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=725
http://web.archive.org/web/20041101034559/http://english.pravda.ru/printed.html?news_id=12494
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/Page/document/v4/sub/MarketingPage?user_URL=http://www.theglobeandmail.com%2Fservlet%2Fstory%2FRTGAM.20031218.wiraq-saddam1218%2FBNStory%2FInternational%2F&ord=1162827334070&brand=theglobeandmail&force_login=true
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Ars longa , vita brevis
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stonebeard
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Joined: May 27 2005
Location: NE Indiana
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Posted: December 31 2006 at 00:30 |
E-Dub wrote:
stonebeard wrote:
Tuzvihar wrote:
stonebeard wrote:
Anyone else wish to take back the past 4 years and have Saddam still in power?
I know I do. |
 Why? |
What have we gained in the past 4 years?
1) Horrible reputation.
2) A War that has killed 3,000 US troops and so many more Iraqi civilians
3) A civil war among Iraqis
4) A reason for Islamic extremists to congregate to a focal point where the US presence is closer and easier to kill
5) A distraction from finding Osama bin Laden
This was probably the worst descision in decades.
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Stone, sometimes I wonder that no matter what the US does, we'll still be hated. We've become an easy target.
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Yeah, it does seem that way. Probably because America thinks it always has to take the initiative with things. It's ok to be part of a coalition, but do we always have to be in the forefront? C'mon, just a supporting role once!
Edited by stonebeard - December 31 2006 at 00:31
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Chris H
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Joined: October 08 2006
Location: Charlotte, NC
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Posted: December 31 2006 at 00:31 |
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We are too powerful, other nations repel against that.
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Beauty will save the world.
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freekske
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Joined: December 11 2006
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Posted: December 31 2006 at 00:33 |
does OIL ring any bells??
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 Yes it is!!
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ResidentAlien
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Joined: January 17 2006
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Posted: December 31 2006 at 00:35 |
freekske wrote:
does OIL ring any bells?? |
No. There are plenty of places to drill for oil in the western world... if not for those damned ultra-lib environmentalists. Going to war for Iraqi oil is absurd and blatantly false.
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Australian
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Joined: June 13 2006
Location: Australia
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Posted: December 31 2006 at 00:56 |
stonebeard wrote:
E-Dub wrote:
stonebeard wrote:
Tuzvihar wrote:
stonebeard wrote:
Anyone else wish to take back the past 4 years and have Saddam still in power?
I know I do. |
Why? |
What have we gained in the past 4 years?
1) Horrible reputation.
2) A War that has killed 3,000 US troops and so many more Iraqi civilians
3) A civil war among Iraqis
4) A reason for Islamic extremists to congregate to a focal point where the US presence is closer and easier to kill
5) A distraction from finding Osama bin Laden
This was probably the worst descision in decades.
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Stone, sometimes I wonder that no matter what the US does, we'll still be hated. We've become an easy target.
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Yeah, it does seem that way. Probably because America thinks it always has to take the initiative with things. It's ok to be part of a coalition, but do we always have to be in the forefront? C'mon, just a supporting role once! |
Situations like these keep the wheels turning, industrially and economically. It’s a strange think to say but without these conflicts then the world wouldn’t operate in the same way.
Edited by Australian - December 31 2006 at 00:57
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Syzygy
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Posted: December 31 2006 at 01:25 |
I doubt that too many tears will be shed for him by the Kurdish community (among others) but this execution is more likely to incite further violence than it is to contribute to any kind of peaceful future for Iraq. Saddam Hussein alive and growing older and more decrepit in prison would show him as the vanquished thug that he truly was; Saddam Hussein hanged at dawn has all the trappings of martyrdom and the dangerous fanaticism that it inspires.
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'Like so many of you
I've got my doubts about how much to contribute
to the already rich among us...'
Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom
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Witchwoodhermit
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Joined: February 23 2006
Location: Canada
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Posted: December 31 2006 at 01:28 |
Of course it's about oil. Control the oil - you control the world. The U.S doesn't have that control. This is where the problems began, with Bush senior. Saddam wouldn't play ball. To suggest that oil is irrelevant is living in denial, wishfull thinking at best. If Bush's motives were to "free the world" the States would be at war with every little dictatorship on the planet. Unfortuately, only the countries of value to America will be graced with invasion and social destruction.
Bush's war is illegal. Thousands are dead and more will continue to die, all because of a family feud and ultimate abuse of power.
Saddam deserved justice. Now, so does Bush.
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Here I'm shadowed by a dragon fig tree's fan
ringed by ants and musing over man.
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Scapler
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Joined: June 18 2006
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Posted: December 31 2006 at 16:04 |
ResidentAlien wrote:
freekske wrote:
does OIL ring any bells?? |
No. There are plenty of places to drill for oil in the western world... if not for those damned ultra-lib environmentalists. Going to war for Iraqi oil is absurd and blatantly false.
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Amen brother
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Bassists are deadly
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stonebeard
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Location: NE Indiana
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Points: 28057
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Posted: December 31 2006 at 16:07 |
If you ask me, the notion of parading through Iraq and being greeted by throngs throwing flowers is absurd.
Lesson of this war: Not everybody likes America. Who'da thunk it?
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toolsofthetrade
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Joined: October 09 2006
Location: United Kingdom
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Posted: December 31 2006 at 16:53 |
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If you like utilitarianism, then the execution of saddam hussein probably produced greater good - all the people whose relatives died as a result of his reign will likely be pleased about his execution. What did it achieve? Justice, that's what. Execution and murder aren't black and white principles where killing someone is always objectively wrong. it's all about circumstance - would it be wrong to kill one person to save 50, for example? no. Which is why i believe the death penalty was warranted.
But actually wanting video footage of him being executed is one step too far. that's sick. what the hell is wrong with you?
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E-Dub
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Joined: February 24 2006
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Posted: December 31 2006 at 18:24 |
ResidentAlien wrote:
E-Dub wrote:
ResidentAlien wrote:
Chus wrote:
I'm not saying whether you are a believer or not.... I'm just clarifying to people that christianity is not about eye for an eye... the Qu'ram is though, as it is a version of the old testament... and please don't call Jesus a schmuck... nobody is insulting you for being an atheist I suggest you do the same |
It wasn't an insult. I am one of the most accepting atheists you'd ever meet. |
Well, regardless of what you believe, there are those of us here who honor Jesus and appreciate what he did for us. Maybe a statement like this should be left out of the forum.
E |
Well, regardless of what you believe, there are those of us here who
honor Bush and appreciate what he did for us. Maybe a statement like
this should be left out of the forum.Maybe a statement like "Bush should be executed" should be left out of the forum. Hell, everyone expects a double standard. |
Shows how much you know. I'm Republican and voted for Bush.
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E-Dub
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Joined: February 24 2006
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Posted: December 31 2006 at 18:25 |
stonebeard wrote:
E-Dub wrote:
stonebeard wrote:
Tuzvihar wrote:
stonebeard wrote:
Anyone else wish to take back the past 4 years and have Saddam still in power?
I know I do. |
[IMG]smileys/smiley3.gif" align=middle> Why? |
What have we gained in the past 4 years?
1) Horrible reputation.
2) A War that has killed 3,000 US troops and so many more Iraqi civilians
3) A civil war among Iraqis
4) A reason for Islamic extremists to congregate to a focal point where the US presence is closer and easier to kill
5) A distraction from finding Osama bin Laden
This was probably the worst descision in decades.
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Stone, sometimes I wonder that no matter what the US does, we'll still be hated. We've become an easy target.
E |
Yeah, it does seem that way. Probably because America thinks it always has to take the initiative with things. It's ok to be part of a coalition, but do we always have to be in the forefront? C'mon, just a supporting role once! |
Can't agree with you more. Sick and tired of being everyone's big brother.
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markosherrera
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Posted: December 31 2006 at 20:12 |
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bush ought to pay for more deaths than all the terrorists and dictators of today
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The Wizard
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Posted: December 31 2006 at 23:05 |
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I don't see how Saddam dieing makes my life any better, personally.
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ResidentAlien
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Posted: December 31 2006 at 23:09 |
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Stephen Harper should be executed and have his genitals shoved down his throat.
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Witchwoodhermit
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Posted: December 31 2006 at 23:18 |
^^^ Yup, that's cool with me. Can we make it a double with Bush?
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Here I'm shadowed by a dragon fig tree's fan
ringed by ants and musing over man.
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E-Dub
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Joined: February 24 2006
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Posted: January 01 2007 at 00:34 |
The Wizard wrote:
I don't see how Saddam dieing makes my life any better, personally. |
Then you may want to ask the Iraqi people dancing in the streets. Seriously, not trying to be a jerk, but it won't make OUR lives any better. For theirs, however, it's a start.
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Witchwoodhermit
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Posted: January 01 2007 at 01:27 |
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"Their lives" have to be built on their own merits -cultural needs- not on the acrimonious blueprints of American propaganda.
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Here I'm shadowed by a dragon fig tree's fan
ringed by ants and musing over man.
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