Coheed And Cambria: The real reasons !!!

Yes, let's take this out of the "industry" discussion.... Let's take only the music as primary decision-making source... And it's clearly not prog, as most songs are regular in structure and signatures (not that I'm an odd-signature freak by the way, I love my 4/4 most of them all), the instrumentation is rather mundane (yes, there is some piano, but used just with so much creativity as Coldplay's, which isn't so bad but it's also not prog). The singer is a mix of TMV with any MTV-teen band, I'd agree that the drummer has skills but, then again, these days most drummers do.... (and that's no reason for a band to be called prog)...yes , they make concept albums.. so? That doesn't mean they make PROG concept albums...

The T wrote: Yes, let's take this out of the "industry" discussion.... Let's take only the music as primary decision-making source... And it's clearly not prog, as most songs are regular in structure and signatures (not that I'm an odd-signature freak by the way, I love my 4/4 most of them all), the instrumentation is rather mundane (yes, there is some piano, but used just with so much creativity as Coldplay's, which isn't so bad but it's also not prog). The singer is a mix of TMV with any MTV-teen band, I'd agree that the drummer has skills but, then again, these days most drummers do.... (and that's no reason for a band to be called prog)...yes , they make concept albums.. so? That doesn't mean they make PROG concept albums...   They will be included I guess... OK, but I hope we can also agree in more deserving, proggier bands than this barely-prog band....

Edited by StyLaZyn - August 01 2007 at 15:00

BaldFriede wrote: That doesn't prove much, in my opinion. Rush are generally regarded as a hard rock band and not as prog in Germany. And Pink Floyd virtually ceased to exist after "The Wall", although they still made records.

*sighs* If Germany thought that, and I doubt that it's music-loving peoples were actually asked, then it is totally out of step with the rest of the Prog community.

This is, after all,  the country where Davis Hasselhoff was a huge pop star.....

Tony R wrote: BaldFriede wrote: That doesn't prove much, in my opinion. Rush are generally regarded as a hard rock band and not as prog in Germany. And Pink Floyd virtually ceased to exist after "The Wall", although they still made records. *sighs* If Germany thought that, and I doubt that it's music-loving peoples were actually asked, then it is totally out of step with the rest of the Prog community. This is, after all,  the country where Davis Hasselhoff was a huge pop star.....

Shall I name a few artists that became big in your country, Tony? I guess not; so please keep your hands above the belt line. Your comment is out of line and against the rules of the forum. As an administrator you should be ashamed.


Edited by BaldFriede - August 01 2007 at 15:49

BaldFriede wrote: Tony R wrote: BaldFriede wrote: That doesn't prove much, in my opinion. Rush are generally regarded as a hard rock band and not as prog in Germany. And Pink Floyd virtually ceased to exist after "The Wall", although they still made records. *sighs* If Germany thought that, and I doubt that it's music-loving peoples were actually asked, then it is totally out of step with the rest of the Prog community. This is, after all,  the country where Davis Hasselhoff was a huge pop star..... Shall I name a few artists that became big in your country, Tony? I guess not; so please keep your hands above the belt line. Your comment is out of line and against the rules of the forum. As an administrator you should be ashamed.

Edited by StyLaZyn - August 01 2007 at 16:04

BaldFriede wrote: StyLaZyn wrote: BaldFriede wrote: Tony R wrote: BaldFriede wrote: That doesn't prove much, in my opinion. Rush are generally regarded as a hard rock band and not as prog in Germany. And Pink Floyd virtually ceased to exist after "The Wall", although they still made records. *sighs* If Germany thought that, and I doubt that it's music-loving peoples were actually asked, then it is totally out of step with the rest of the Prog community. This is, after all,  the country where Davis Hasselhoff was a huge pop star..... Shall I name a few artists that became big in your country, Tony? I guess not; so please keep your hands above the belt line. Your comment is out of line and against the rules of the forum. As an administrator you should be ashamed.   Let's not be overly sensitive. As you point out, we all have something to be ashamed of.    That remark about Germany being the country where David Hasselhoff became a huge pop star was clearly meant as "so what do Germans know?" You know pretty damn well that remarks of this kind are against the rules of the forum. Coming from an administrator this is double as bad.

There has never been a rule against having a sense of humour, cracking jokes, or being light-hearted. If you ARE offended then I apologise. If you are trying to score points then I despair.

Goodness. What next?


Edited by Tony R - August 01 2007 at 16:31

BaldFriede wrote: That's not a crack for me, Tony, and I  felt offended. However, I accept your apology.

1800iareyay wrote: Don't see what the big deal is about Hasselhoff. There are things way more offensive he could have said, but Hasselfhoff is light-hearted.   Any word on Coheed and Cambria, Tony?

It is the principle of it, 1800areyay. There are rules in this forum, and they should be followed. This may have been meant lighthearted, and I certainly understood it was meant that way; nevertheless it is against the rules. "Principiis obsta", "fight the beginnings", as Cicero used to say. It is but one small step from Tony's remark to "What do you know? You come from a country in which David Hasselhoff was regarded as a great artist". Do you think this would still be acceptable?


Edited by BaldFriede - August 01 2007 at 16:58

Oh well, if it is not against the rules, then I will plainly state that all Brits are stupid because "Herman's Hermits" were regarded to be a great band there once. Mark my wording though: I only say this if Tony's remark is not against the rules, because then clearly my remark is also not against the rules. I hope you see where this might lead to. Again I repeat my warning: Fight the beginnings. Don't make general derogatory remarks. I am all for a nice prod into the ribs, but since I have been chided for not using emoticons when making a rib-prodding remark before I might expect the same from others. Where will we finally draw the line? Isn't it better to start at the beginning?

BaldFriede wrote: Oh well, if it is not against the rules, then I will plainly state that all Brits are stupid because "Herman's Hermits" were regarded to be a great band there once. Mark my wording though: I only say this if Tony's remark is not against the rules, because then clearly my remark is also not against the rules. I hope you see where this might lead to. Again I repeat my warning: Fight the beginnings. Don't make general derogatory remarks. I am all for a nice prod into the ribs, but since I have been chided for not using emoticons when making a rib-prodding remark before I might expect the same from others. Where will we finally draw the line? Isn't it better to start at the beginning?

stop being silly please.

I'm not in the habit of feeling embarrassed for other people but...