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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2015 at 17:46
Originally posted by Polymorphia Polymorphia wrote:

Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

^Would staying on-topic be the politically correct thing to do? LOL
No, but it would be the sensible one. Tongue
 
It was in context as far as I'm concerned.Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2015 at 17:52
Originally posted by Polymorphia Polymorphia wrote:

Good point. So people should stop comparing conservatives to fascists. It's merely an exaggerated, sensationalist straw man.


The reason "fascist" is always the pejorative of choice for leftists to attack their political opponents is that fascism is the only historically effective counter there has been to communism.  Effete pinko Antifa (et al) twerps absolutely can't stand that idea.

They know that these people aren't literally fascists, but they can't think of anything they consider worse than fascism so it's their favourite insult.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2015 at 18:33
Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

Originally posted by Polymorphia Polymorphia wrote:

Good point. So people should stop comparing conservatives to fascists. It's merely an exaggerated, sensationalist straw man.


The reason "fascist" is always the pejorative of choice for leftists to attack their political opponents is that fascism is the only historically effective counter there has been to communism.  Effete pinko Antifa (et al) twerps absolutely can't stand that idea.

They know that these people aren't literally fascists, but they can't think of anything they consider worse than fascism so it's their favourite insult.


communism? sh*t man. That is so 80's. Where you even alive when we lived under the Red threat.  You strike me as a 14 year old in your parents basement.

why it is bandied about as it is.  Something Rush and his cronies at Fox News hate.. hell all conservatives hate.

facts man.  NOthing more factual than a definition

fas·cism
ˈfaSHˌizəm/< height="14" ="" width="14">
noun
noun: fascism; noun: Fascism; plural noun: Fascisms
an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.


you are blind if you don't see that, to a degree, in the politics of the right here.  Look no further than their putrid, almost comedic attempts to 'govern'. Compromise it is a sin, worthy of ostracization from their ranks, those against them are the enemy,  flag waving jingoism hyper-nationalism.  A definite and long established campaign ersecution of ethinc and religious minorities through the oldest play in the play book.  And a favorite of Fascists everywhere.

Fear

Whoot!!!  This is what some think of as the land of the free. It is, the scary part is we give those 50% here the freedom to ruin this country.  Hell... it is Germany circa 1930's here man!  Instead of Jewish, we have Muslims, though intellectuals (another term for Liberals in the Right Wing playbook) and non white are still on the neo-Fascist hit parade hahaha



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2015 at 18:36
I don't know where you live, but nationalism is non-existent in most western nations.  It's been replaced by the cult of globalism/multiculturalism/open borders... no matter where the party lies on the political spectrum.

And of course everybody who disagrees with you must be a "14 year old in their parents basement"
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2015 at 18:44
sorry man... save that bullsh*t for others.  I am a veteran.. served proudly and in return and did things 'for my country' that scarred me.

permanently. I'll never fire a gun again.. even if my life depended on it.

When our Vice President in trying to drum up a phony war of expansion. Economic and political, questioned the patrirotism of those who disagreed with our 2nd attempt to gain access to Middle East oil and said it was un-American to not agree.  Don't tell me Nationalism is dead.  Nationalism has killed more people than religion, and is VERY dangeriously alive. Both here, and in the former Soviet states.  If you don't see it, you should stop posted on a damn prog rock forum, and perhaps open your eyes to the world around you.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2015 at 18:51
Sure Micky, my eyes ARE open to the world around me.  I spend a lot less time on this site than most nowadays.

Right now I'm watching my country's newly elected brainwashed leftist government offer $1100 per month to economic migrants from the middle east, which is more than taxpaying citizens with financial need would ever be able to get.  Never mind that only rich ones can afford to cross the ocean and come here in the first place.  It's leftist signalling plain and simple; people like that never believe in any of their causes, they only push them to show off how progressive and "moral" they are.

Yeah, I see the world around me and it doesn't resonate well.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2015 at 18:53
and I applaud Canada whole heartedly for that, hell I wish we do that.

Be proud of your country.  At least yours has not forgot what once made this country great.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2015 at 18:57
You applaud Canada for deliberately neglecting their citizens in the name of political correctness... insane.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2015 at 19:11
wow man.  Someone pumped some serious talk radio into your brain man.

If I turn on CNN should I expect to see starving out of work Canadians marching on the capital. LOL


No it is a case that a country is doing the right thing and reacting a massive humanarian disaster and unlike some, it doing something about it. Some good in the world. I applaud it, for there is FAR too little of it today.  You are fortunate.. yet completely undeserving of what you have. For you don't appreciate what you have.  Not everyone has that, not through any fault of their own.  All they want is what you have, I have, most all of us have.  So yes, I do give a big hell yeah to Canada. For doing the right thing and taking in those displaced for they, and you, will all win in the end. It will make your country far better. Take the long view, not the selfish short term outlook. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2015 at 19:13
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:


all conservatives hate.

facts man.
Is this a fact? Huh.

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

NOthing more factual than a definition

fas·cism
ˈfaSHˌizəm/< height="14" ="" width="14">
noun
noun: fascism; noun: Fascism; plural noun: Fascisms
an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.
Conservatism as a political and social philosophy promotes retaining traditional social institutions in the context of culture and civilization.

Now that we've got that out of the way.

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:


you are blind if you don't see that, to a degree, in the politics of the right here.  Look no further than their putrid, almost comedic attempts to 'govern'. 
Compromise it is a sin, worthy of ostracization from their ranks, those against them are the enemy,  flag waving jingoism hyper-nationalism.  A definite and long established campaign ersecution of ethinc and religious minorities through the oldest play in the play book.
There are elements of communism in liberalism. It's call a "spectrum" for a reason. Conservatism is still pretty far from fascism in the US. 
Particularly in their economic policy and gun laws. The things they want to be illegal are things that have always been illegal or else have never been prominent enough to be illegal. They are interested in preserving the traditions and social structure of the US. Honestly, liberals and conservatives are never really extreme like people make them out to be or all that different from one another. The fascist/communist dialogue is simply made up of, as I said, sensationalist, media-propogated straw man arguments. If you actually want to sound like you know what you're talking about to your conservative friends instead of blasting them with exaggerations, don't mischaracterize their views or try to scare them into agreeing with you. 

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:


Whoot!!!  This is what some think of as the land of the free. It is, the scary part is we give those 50% here the freedom to ruin this country.

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

And a favorite of Fascists everywhere. 

Fear
Fun times.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2015 at 19:22
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

You are fortunate.. yet completely undeserving of what you have.


Just plain rude, why bother engaging in discussion with somebody like you?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2015 at 19:47
rude???  I thought I was being polite hahahah.  Ask my right leaning FB friends how rude I can be. LOL

however.. as far as what I said.  Take it two ways...  keep your mind closed your ideology as your shield, and take offense where none was intended.

Or open your mind and perhaps understand what I was trying to say.  And appreciate what you have, and then perhaps have some empathy for those that don't have what you do and deserve nothing less.  You are no better, just born in a better country.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2015 at 19:55
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

You are no better, just born in a better country.


People make the countries, not the other way around.  Nations have the problems they have because of who lives there.  Moving them to another country just imports all the problems with them.  No amount of liberal tears make this not true.

I understand perfectly well what point you are making, but I reject it outright.  It doesn't match with any reality I've ever seen.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2015 at 20:02
so what problems do you anticipate... a substantial increase in the quality of hummus you can get there LOL

If I was being rude I'd just tell you what I think...  you just want an all white society don't you?  Foreigners scare you. You fell hook line and sinker for page 1 of the Right Wing playbook.. play upon people's fears.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2015 at 20:35
I think the Boney M line "Oh those Russians" should be amended to "Oh those Muslims".  Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2015 at 21:06
Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

I don't know where you live, but nationalism is non-existent in most western nations. 
 
Seriously?  The pathetic insistence on American exceptionalism and you think nationalism is non-existent?
 
wow.  reality denial time.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2015 at 21:07
Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

You are no better, just born in a better country.


People make the countries, not the other way around.  Nations have the problems they have because of who lives there.  Moving them to another country just imports all the problems with them.  No amount of liberal tears make this not true.

So do you believe that all the refugees being sent over are the bad people these countries want to get rid of? Aren't a lot of them just scared people that had their homes destroyed in a war by many more terrible men?

Sure, 20% of them might suck but pretty much 20% of ALL people totally suck. There will most likely be the same percentage of awful people. That's life.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2015 at 21:23
Well for starters less than 20% of people claiming to be Syrian refugees are even from Syria
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2015 at 21:26
Of course, the easiest way for leftists to shut down discussion is to scream and cry "THAT'S RACIST!!!! IT'S 2015!"
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2015 at 21:31
How do you know that exactly? If more than 4 million people have left Syria since the start of the war, where did the rest of them go if only 1 in 5 refugees are actually from there? If Turkey took in half of them... where are the other 2 million? It's not like there are 10 million refugees moving into Europe.
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