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Posted: December 27 2012 at 05:06

To be honest, most of the concept albums I've heard have been patchy and lacking in the music department when the storytelling takes over.

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Posted: December 27 2012 at 10:03

octopus-4 wrote:

I like prog because for a while I can leave this world and enter into another. It happens with Syd Barrett who doesn't have a concept (but his whole life was a concept). In general a concept makes it simpler. A concept is possible also with instrumental only music. There's an album by Senmuth that's about the travel of Osiris in the realm of death until his resurrection which represents also the cycle of day and night. It's totally instrumental but if you know what has inspired the music what is apparently just dark and noisy becomes a story in which one can make a full mental immersion.

Lets be honest.....Pink Floyd became an icon when Barrett left.

With Barrett they were just another good Psyche band that would never survived 1970, with Gilmour, they became legends.

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Posted: December 27 2012 at 13:47

Dayvenkirq wrote:

ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

HAVING NO CONCEPTS DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE BAND'S QUALITY!

you're right but it enhances the band in my opinion

Are you speaking of male enhancement? What do you mean by "concepts enhance a band"?

always with the kid jokes, GROW UP!!!!!!!

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Posted: December 27 2012 at 13:51

Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

Originally posted by sagichim

Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112

what concepts does Crimson have ??lame

Who gives a f**k about a concept? who gives flying f about a concept, Prog does, it's one of the factors that makes this kind of music great

Well maybe the niche part of prog you like, but not me.

There is no such thing, I think you meant nice^^^^^ as nice prog rock LOL

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Posted: December 27 2012 at 14:50

ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

Dayvenkirq wrote:

ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

HAVING NO CONCEPTS DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE BAND'S QUALITY!

you're right but it enhances the band in my opinion

Are you speaking of male enhancement? What do you mean by "concepts enhance a band"?

always with the kid jokes, GROW UP!!!!!!!

Isn't this a little ironic...

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Posted: December 27 2012 at 15:55

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Lets be honest.....Pink Floyd became an icon when Barrett left.

With Barrett they were just another good Psyche band that would never survived 1970, with Gilmour, they became legends.

let's be honest. no.

"another good psych band"? Pink Floyd were THE psych band. I don't think any other record released in 67 captures the essence of british psychedelia at that time like Piper. Seriously I understand that Barrett isn't for everyone and I have no issues if you don't dig his stuff but like post-Barrett Floyd, but to say that they were "just another psych band" and wouldn't have survived past 1970 is just silly and wrong.

Edited by Sumdeus - December 27 2012 at 15:56

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Posted: December 27 2012 at 17:07

ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

There is no such thing, I think you meant nice^^^^^ as nice prog rock LOL

I have no idea what point you are trying to make here? That the types of prog groups you like aren't niche? Hate to break it to you but all prog bands are niche.

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Posted: December 27 2012 at 17:23

^ Plus, why laugh at something that isn't funny?

(like some kind of a "pull my finger" type of joke.) I thought that all laughing gas tanks in illegal possession were handed in to the government a long time ago.

Edited by Dayvenkirq - December 27 2012 at 17:24

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Posted: December 27 2012 at 18:07

mister nobody wrote:

ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

Dayvenkirq wrote:

ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

HAVING NO CONCEPTS DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE BAND'S QUALITY!

you're right but it enhances the band in my opinion

Are you speaking of male enhancement? What do you mean by "concepts enhance a band"?

always with the kid jokes, GROW UP!!!!!!!

Isn't this a little ironic...

]

yeah it kind of is but he brought up a stupid joke and i thought my joke was witty

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Ignorance is strength.”

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Posted: December 27 2012 at 18:08

Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

There is no such thing, I think you meant nice^^^^^ as nice prog rock LOL

I have no idea what point you are trying to make here? That the types of prog groups you like aren't niche? Hate to break it to you but all prog bands are niche.

I thought you meant nice but I guess you meant niche Confused

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Posted: December 27 2012 at 18:45

ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

mister nobody wrote:

ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

Dayvenkirq wrote:

ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

HAVING NO CONCEPTS DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE BAND'S QUALITY!

you're right but it enhances the band in my opinion

Are you speaking of male enhancement? What do you mean by "concepts enhance a band"?

always with the kid jokes, GROW UP!!!!!!!

Isn't this a little ironic...

]

yeah it kind of is but he brought up a stupid joke and i thought my joke was witty.

Quote one of your jokes that was "witty". As for my joke, ... let's just say that I like having a ball by mocking trolls. Wink

I like mocking condescending people who can't make their ideas clear and have an intelligent argument. So, ... we can just go for the exact opposite.

Edited by Dayvenkirq - December 27 2012 at 18:47

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Posted: December 27 2012 at 19:10

Sumdeus wrote:

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Lets be honest.....Pink Floyd became an icon when Barrett left.

With Barrett they were just another good Psyche band that would never survived 1970, with Gilmour, they became legends.

I will have to side with Ivan here. Syd Barrett's hallucinations were a curious novelty at the time. Novelties, by definition, have to have limited shelf life. Once the curiosity wears off, the bulk of public's attention shifts towards the next source of stimulation.

As for the de-Barretized Pink Floyd, personally I am glad they upgraded their output ratings from nonsense to philosophy and from cacophony to symphony.

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Posted: December 27 2012 at 19:11

Sumdeus wrote:

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Lets be honest.....Pink Floyd became an icon when Barrett left.

With Barrett they were just another good Psyche band that would never survived 1970, with Gilmour, they became legends.

let's be honest. no."another good psych band"? Pink Floyd were THE psych band. I don't think any other record released in 67 captures the essence of british psychedelia at that time like Piper. Seriously I understand that Barrett isn't for everyone and I have no issues if you don't dig his stuff but like post-Barrett Floyd, but to say that they were "just another psych band" and wouldn't have survived past 1970 is just silly and wrong.

Still, Pink Floyd would never have achieved the legendary status they reached with Barrett instead of Gilmour.

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Posted: December 27 2012 at 19:11

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Sumdeus wrote:

[QUOTE=Ivan_Melgar_M]

Lets be honest.....Pink Floyd became an icon when Barrett left.

With Barrett they were just another good Psyche band that would never survived 1970, with Gilmour, they became legends.

I will have to side with Ivan here. Syd Barrett's hallucinations were a curious novelty at the time. Novelties, by definition, have to have limited shelf life. Once the curiosity wears off, the bulk of public's attention shifts towards the next source of stimulation.

As for the de-Barretized Pink Floyd, personally I am glad they upgraded they moved away from nonsense to philosophy and from cacophony to symphony.

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Posted: December 28 2012 at 04:48

I guess it's a matter of taste then, Barrett's music is not a curious novelty to me by any means, nor do I find it to be "nonsense" or "cacophony". And considering the kind of innovation and creativity he showed on Piper I think we can only imagine what else he could have went on to do if he was able to keep control of his mind

Edited by Sumdeus - December 28 2012 at 04:50

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Posted: December 28 2012 at 06:05

ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

mister nobody wrote:

ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

Dayvenkirq wrote:

ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

HAVING NO CONCEPTS DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE BAND'S QUALITY!

you're right but it enhances the band in my opinion

Are you speaking of male enhancement? What do you mean by "concepts enhance a band"?

always with the kid jokes, GROW UP!!!!!!!

Isn't this a little ironic...

]

yeah it kind of is but he brought up a stupid joke and i thought my joke was witty

I don't think you fully get it.

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Posted: December 28 2012 at 06:13

^ well, exactly - my taste is telling me that Piper was amusing at the first listen (which was lo-o-o-o-o-o-o-ng ago), but I have never felt like owning it. The next Barrett's album Madcap was kind of Piper Mk.2, which was no longer an amusing novelty, and after it Barrett did nothing memorable. Crazy diamond he is, and we recognize that, but it was to be the de-Barretized PF that went on being a productive band for decades.

As for what Syd could have achieved had he been able to keep control of his mind, that we cannot know for sure. Maybe, even less than he actually did. Maybe more. I am often wondering what I myself could have achieved, had I been smarter, luckier and more ambitious.

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Posted: December 28 2012 at 09:35

Sumdeus wrote:

I guess it's a matter of taste then, Barrett's music is not a curious novelty to me by any means, nor do I find it to be "nonsense" or "cacophony". And considering the kind of innovation and creativity he showed on Piper I think we can only imagine what else he could have went on to do if he was able to keep control of his mind

lol, I am in agreement with you. I get annoyed when people claim that Floyd were 'finished' after Barrett (no, they just changed, big deal!). But there's no doubt to my mind that Piper was one of the most influential psych rock albums, the very epitome of the genre and it could not have been possible without Barrett.

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Posted: December 28 2012 at 11:59

It's a moot point anyway. Had Barrett been able to keep control of his mind, he would have never made an album like Piper in the first place. For my part, I think it was the Barrett-less Floyd who were in serious danger of never making it past 1970. The stuff they did from 1968 to 1970 was... spotty, to put it mildly. It was Meddle that saved them, and I think it's quite remarkable that a group of sidemen managed to emerge as an artistic force in their own right.

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Posted: December 28 2012 at 12:12

^ Even though the '68-'70 albums were "spotty", as you say, I think they were crucial to the development of the band's sound. They were still learning how to write songs, let alone original ones. So, maybe we shouldn't disdain those albums as much as we usually do.

But what confuses me the most is that you said "the danger of never making it past 1970". What do you mean by "never making it past"?

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