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Poxx
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Posted: June 23 2005 at 05:46 |
felona wrote:
It is also supposed to be an aphrodisiac due to two particular substances, Phenylethylamin and Serotonin, both of which serve as anti-depressants. |
Although serotonin is released in the brain when consuming food and particular drugs, there is no actual serotonin in chocolate. Serotonin doesn't really "serve as an anti-depressant', it's rather one of the key chemicals that controls our mood. But the thing is, if you have low levels of serotonin you become depressed. Anti-depressants (SSRI's) increases the serotonin levels in the brain indirectly, in the same way that amphetamines increases the levels of dopamine in the brain.
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The Hemulen
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Joined: July 31 2004
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Posted: June 23 2005 at 05:46 |
I personally rely not on drugs (be they legal or otherwise - I'm
teetotal), nor God to augment my life. For me, as long as I can I
write, listen to music, and spend time with the people I love I'm set.
Certif1ed, I have to say that your post about your family, house, car,
etc was dreadfully smug and materialistic. Is that really how you
equate your success - on what you own?
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PROGMAN
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Posted: June 23 2005 at 05:47 |
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CYMRU AM BYTH
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barbs
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Joined: June 04 2005
Location: Australia
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Points: 562
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Posted: June 23 2005 at 05:48 |
Tony R wrote:
JesusBetancourt wrote:
I am very dissapointed that some of you advocate drug use...especially with prog.
I have enjoyed this website becouse It seemed to me that everyone on
this website are responsible and educated people(and many are im sure)
who do not need drugs to enjoy there music. It is a shame that some of
you advocate drug use bieng full grown adults and forget that
alot of people on this website are young and gullable. We need to be
rolemodels. Prog is about music not drugs.
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There is only room for one preacher on this forum..............and he doesnt preach to us!
How dare you be so patronising.
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A preacher that doesn't preach is like a fireman that doesn't put out fires or a cow that does not give milk.
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Eternity
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Certif1ed
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Joined: April 08 2004
Location: England
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Posted: June 23 2005 at 06:06 |
We all use cannabis - in fact, we all produce it naturally.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4119346.stm
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oliverstoned
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Posted: June 23 2005 at 06:08 |
JesusBetancourt wrote:
oliverstoned wrote:
JesusBetancourt wrote:
The words loser and winners are used by contemporary society to judge men by there accomplishments(status , money , etc), they do not determine a persons true worth. We are all created equal... | You don't need to believe in these notions... Good and bad, false and truth are only humans interpretations, mental creations |
a persons interpitation of what is good and bad /false and true is an abstraction of the mind however there is a truth and a good and evil(bad) that is above the humane mind. |
Evil and truth ARE human notions!
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JesusBetancourt
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Joined: June 15 2005
Location: United States
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Posted: June 23 2005 at 06:12 |
oliverstoned wrote:
JesusBetancourt wrote:
oliverstoned wrote:
JesusBetancourt wrote:
The words loser and winners are used by contemporary society to judge men by there accomplishments(status , money , etc), they do not determine a persons true worth. We are all created equal... | You don't need to believe in these notions... Good and bad, false and truth are only humans interpretations, mental creations |
a persons interpitation of what is good and bad /false and true is an abstraction of the mind however there is a truth and a good and evil(bad) that is above the humane mind.
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Evil and truth ARE human notions! |
Man is naturally evil....and there is an objective truth
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"He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water"
John 7:38
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JesusBetancourt
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Joined: June 15 2005
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Posted: June 23 2005 at 06:13 |
barbs wrote:
Tony R wrote:
JesusBetancourt wrote:
I am very dissapointed that some of you advocate drug use...especially with prog.
I have enjoyed this website becouse It seemed to me that everyone on this website are responsible and educated people(and many are im sure) who do not need drugs to enjoy there music. It is a shame that some of you advocate drug use bieng full grown adults and forget that alot of people on this website are young and gullable. We need to be rolemodels. Prog is about music not drugs.
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There is only room for one preacher on this forum..............and he doesnt preach to us!
How dare you be so patronising.
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A preacher that doesn't preach is like a fireman that doesn't put out fires or a cow that does not give milk.
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AMEN
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"He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water"
John 7:38
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firth_of_Fifth
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Posted: June 23 2005 at 06:23 |
What exactly is the point in this argument?
Doing drugs is a choice...Yes or no, Some people choose yes. Calm down, These things happen...
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Yurkspb
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Location: Russian Federation
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Posted: June 23 2005 at 06:27 |
Better not try drugs to Heresy by Universe Zero
And even better don't try them at all...
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Poxx
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Joined: April 03 2005
Location: Denmark
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Posted: June 23 2005 at 06:28 |
That can't really be considered a valid argument pro cannabis. We also produce morphine-like chemicals in the brain, it doesn't mean that we should all chew on a chunk of opium every odd 15 minutes.
We also produce fat - don't drink a grease tank.
Of course cannabis should be legal, it doesn't take half a pizza for a brain to figure that out. But it does take two large with extra cheese of ignorance to deny it's harmlessness.
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barbs
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Joined: June 04 2005
Location: Australia
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Points: 562
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Posted: June 23 2005 at 06:30 |
Arthur C Clarke said that 'the only genuine consciousness-expanding drug is science fiction.'
I wouldn't agree with that either but in a way it accentuates what happens in the streams on drugs.
In a postmodern, poststructuralist world, truth itself is considered a
subjective experience, and Frank Zappa's take on drugs becomes the
creed for those who want to take them with a happy conscionsce.
"A drug is neither moral or immoral - its a chemical compound. The
compound itself is not a menace to society until a human being treats
it as if consumption bestowed a temporary licence to act like an
asshole." (F. Z.)
We are polarised on this and in the end we have to 'live and let live.'
Edited by barbs
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Eternity
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BaldFriede
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Joined: June 02 2005
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Posted: June 23 2005 at 06:34 |
Trouserpress wrote:
I personally rely not on drugs (be they legal or otherwise - I'm teetotal), nor God to augment my life. For me, as long as I can I write, listen to music, and spend time with the people I love I'm set. Certif1ed, I have to say that your post about your family, house, car, etc was dreadfully smug and materialistic. Is that really how you equate your success - on what you own? |
No coffee or tea? How about cocoa? These are all drugs.
Anything that can be imbibed is a drug. But some things have to be taken in really huge quantities to have any psychotropic effect. If you ate 20 pounds of potatoes I am quite sure it would mentally affect you.
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BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue.
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barbs
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Joined: June 04 2005
Location: Australia
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Posted: June 23 2005 at 06:43 |
BaldFriede wrote:
Trouserpress wrote:
I personally rely not on
drugs (be they legal or otherwise - I'm teetotal), nor God to augment
my life. For me, as long as I can I write, listen to music, and spend
time with the people I love I'm set. Certif1ed, I have to say that your
post about your family, house, car, etc was dreadfully smug and
materialistic. Is that really how you equate your success - on what you
own? |
No coffee or tea? How about cocoa? These are all drugs.
Anything that can be imbibed is a drug. But some things have to be
taken in really huge quantities to have any psychotropic effect. If you
ate 20 pounds of potatoes I am quite sure it would mentally affect you. |
Isn't there some difference in visiting a friend or aquaintance and
accepting or not their offer of 'would you like some tea or would you
prefer heroin instead.'
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Eternity
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felona
Forum Senior Member
Joined: June 12 2005
Location: Australia
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Points: 521
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Posted: June 23 2005 at 07:01 |
Poxx wrote:
felona wrote:
It is also supposed to be an aphrodisiac due to two particular substances, Phenylethylamin and Serotonin, both of which serve as anti-depressants. |
Although serotonin is released in the brain when consuming food and particular drugs, there is no actual serotonin in chocolate. Serotonin doesn't really "serve as an anti-depressant', it's rather one of the key chemicals that controls our mood. But the thing is, if you have low levels of serotonin you become depressed. Anti-depressants (SSRI's) increases the serotonin levels in the brain indirectly, in the same way that amphetamines increases the levels of dopamine in the brain.
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what would have more accurate for me to have said is that chocolate contains tryptophan which increases serotonin levels in the brain ...
Edited by felona
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I was never really sure what I was waiting for. When the moment came I was looking away ......
The Church "After Everything Now This"
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oliverstoned
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Posted: June 23 2005 at 07:03 |
Yes, but watching TV several hours a day is a very common -but harmful- addiction.
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felona
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Joined: June 12 2005
Location: Australia
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Posted: June 23 2005 at 07:14 |
oliverstoned wrote:
Yes, but watching TV several hours a day is a very common -but harmful- addiction. |
so is CD buying ... a shameful addiction ...
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I was never really sure what I was waiting for. When the moment came I was looking away ......
The Church "After Everything Now This"
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Poxx
Forum Senior Member
Joined: April 03 2005
Location: Denmark
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Points: 231
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Posted: June 23 2005 at 07:16 |
felona wrote:
Poxx wrote:
felona wrote:
It is also supposed to be an aphrodisiac due to two particular substances, Phenylethylamin and Serotonin, both of which serve as anti-depressants. |
Although serotonin is released in the brain when consuming food and particular drugs, there is no actual serotonin in chocolate. Serotonin doesn't really "serve as an anti-depressant', it's rather one of the key chemicals that controls our mood. But the thing is, if you have low levels of serotonin you become depressed. Anti-depressants (SSRI's) increases the serotonin levels in the brain indirectly, in the same way that amphetamines increases the levels of dopamine in the brain.
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what would have more accurate for me to have said is that chocolate contains tryptophan which increases serotonin levels in the brain ...
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Yep, and it may seem like nitpicking from the perspective of the untrained eye, but it's not. It would be the same principle as if you were suggesting that oxygen contains haemoglobin.
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Tony R
Special Collaborator
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Joined: July 16 2004
Location: UK
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Posted: June 23 2005 at 07:20 |
barbs wrote:
Tony R wrote:
JesusBetancourt wrote:
I am very dissapointed that some of you advocate drug use...especially with prog.
I have enjoyed this website becouse It seemed to me that everyone on this website are responsible and educated people(and many are im sure) who do not need drugs to enjoy there music. It is a shame that some of you advocate drug use bieng full grown adults and forget that alot of people on this website are young and gullable. We need to be rolemodels. Prog is about music not drugs.
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There is only room for one preacher on this forum..............and he doesnt preach to us!
How dare you be so patronising.
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A preacher that doesn't preach is like a fireman that doesn't put out fires or a cow that does not give milk.
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Ok,then.Let him preach elsewhere.
Jayzusbestialscrote:
Go and roll your model onto a satanism site or something.
Edited by Tony R
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The Hemulen
Special Collaborator
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Joined: July 31 2004
Location: UK
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Posted: June 23 2005 at 07:20 |
oliverstoned wrote:
Yes, but watching TV several hours a day is a very common -but harmful- addiction. |
Agreed. But that still rather depends on what one watches - if you
actively watch intelligent television (which believe me, DOES exist,
and I hope to one day add to it) and avoid the drivel then it can
enhance your life rather than just fill up time/make you think less.
Cannabis, however, is not "harmless". My friend who I mentioned earlier
became a heavy cannabis user, lost all of their inclination to succeed
in life, and soon moved on to harder drugs which had even more
devastating effects. I will never forgive drugs for effectively ruining
her, and anyone who suggests that cannabis is harmless is just plain
wrong.
I'd also like to state that I still support the legalisation of all drugs. Making their use a crime just exaccerbates things.
Oh - and I drink tea, but not coffee. Never got on with it. And as
Barbs says - there is f**king world of difference between tea and
heroin. Silly argument.
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