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Topic: What prog music is best to do drugs to?
Posted By: omar progriguez
Subject: What prog music is best to do drugs to?
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 05:44

I reckon it has to be van der graaf generator.

what prog do you do drugs to?




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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 05:47
Magma......it might make sense then!

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Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 05:48
Probably all of the stuff I listen to, which is on the whole rather weird. I wouldn't know though, as I don't do drugs.


Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 05:55

Originally posted by Trouserpress Trouserpress wrote:

Probably all of the stuff I listen to, which is on the whole rather weird. I wouldn't know though, as I don't do drugs.

Theres nothing weird about Samlas Mammas manna!



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Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 05:55
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Trouserpress Trouserpress wrote:

Probably all of the stuff I listen to, which is on the whole rather weird. I wouldn't know though, as I don't do drugs.

Theres nothing weird about Samlas Mammas manna!



I didn't send you their weirdest tracks...


Posted By: Gloryscene
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 05:59
Originally posted by omar progriguez omar progriguez wrote:

I reckon it has to be van der graaf generator.

what prog do you do drugs to?

I love to sniff loads of different weird stuff to the track  "I Can't Dance" by GENESIS



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Posted By: spectral
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 06:02

the type of track or band or indeed album generally determines what sort of drug I do.  smoking to the mahavishnu orchestra is great, but when doing significantly harder drugs I prefer The Mars Volta or King Crimson.



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Posted By: Gloryscene
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 06:07

Originally posted by spectral</P>
<P>the type of track or band or indeed album generally determines what sort of drug I do.  <EM>smoking</EM> to the mahavishnu orchestra is great, but when doing significantly harder drugs I prefer The Mars Volta or King Crimson.</P>
<P>[/QUOTE spectral

the type of track or band or indeed album generally determines what sort of drug I do.  smoking to the mahavishnu orchestra is great, but when doing significantly harder drugs I prefer The Mars Volta or King Crimson.

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yeah defo dusting of the works and getting down to some serious drug activity has to be done to TMV!!! LSD is pretty good with gong as well but of course you have to be naked!

yeah defo dusting of the works and getting down to some serious drug activity has to be done to TMV!!! LSD is pretty good with gong as well but of course you have to be naked!



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Posted By: spectral
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 06:18

Never tried that to Gong.  I'm heading to a party this weekend in some woods, so I could give it ago then.  There is gonna be a massive bonfire, so I reckon it will be very cool to drop some acid then.

I'll leave the harder stuff to the confines of my home.

As for nakedness, unless it increases the high, I'm not interested.



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Posted By: Gloryscene
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 06:27
Originally posted by spectral spectral wrote:

Never tried that to Gong.  I'm heading to a party this weekend in some woods, so I could give it ago then.  There is gonna be a massive bonfire, so I reckon it will be very cool to drop some acid then.

I'll leave the harder stuff to the confines of my home.

As for nakedness, unless it increases the high, I'm not interested.

it does nakedness takes the high to a whole new level. I was at stonehenge last night and was butt naked and did a couple of tabs which blew my mind. The sunrise was insane it looked like loads of big fluffy sheep filling the sky!!



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Posted By: spectral
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 06:46
Originally posted by Gloryscene Gloryscene wrote:

it does nakedness takes the high to a whole new level. I was at stonehenge last night and was butt naked and did a couple of tabs which blew my mind. The sunrise was insane it looked like loads of big fluffy sheep filling the sky!!

The old acid trip at the summer solstice.  I didn't go this year.  Just stayed inside, in the cool, getting off my face while listening to Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso.



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Posted By: Gloryscene
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 06:48
Originally posted by spectral spectral wrote:

Originally posted by Gloryscene Gloryscene wrote:

it does nakedness takes the high to a whole new level. I was at stonehenge last night and was butt naked and did a couple of tabs which blew my mind. The sunrise was insane it looked like loads of big fluffy sheep filling the sky!!

The old acid trip at the summer solstice.  I didn't go this year.  Just stayed inside, in the cool, getting off my face while listening to Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso.

what did you get off your face on?? I am into smack at the mo as well



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Posted By: spectral
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 06:51
Originally posted by Gloryscene Gloryscene wrote:

what did you get off your face on?? I am into smack at the mo as well

Dangerous stuff that, I would steer clear if I were you.  My brother died of it.  I've been clean from that sh1t for 10 months now.  I prefer uppers now, I do it it to music and at parties.  I've been known to dabble in the extremes, but I say "why not", it heightens the enjoyment of the music - which is what it is all about, right?



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Posted By: firth_of_Fifth
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 07:03
Caravan are pretty good. In the court of the crimson king was suprisingly amazing on shrooms and not as depressing as I thought it would be. The best band/album for being high has got to be 'Forever Changes' By Love.

Odessy & Oracle By The Zombies is a close runner up.

Listening to Rush on Shrooms was possibly the worst thing. Kept on slowing down and speeding up. Argh!






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Posted By: abyssyinfinity
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 07:21
Hawkwind, DOM & Pholas Dactylus


Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 08:18
Originally posted by abyssyinfinity abyssyinfinity wrote:

Pholas Dactylus


Brilliant one-shot Italian band!


Posted By: Azrael2112
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 08:21
Asia - self titled album....trust me It's a whole different experience

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Posted By: Poxx
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 08:22

250mg China White and 'Tarkus' should make for a good evening. Be careful with the Tarkus though, it can be lethal.



Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 08:23
Originally posted by Azrael2112 Azrael2112 wrote:

Asia - self titled album....trust me It's a whole different experience


Do drugs make it sound progressive then?


Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 08:41

Pink Floyd

Gong

Steve Hillage

Hawkwind

...all work well with a spliff, 'shrooms or LSD.

For amphetamines, Motorhead and the Pink Fairies are amazing.

Almost any prog goes with a spliff, though - Genesis, Marillion and Supertramp all come highly recommended, but get some dub reggae if you're smokin' weed - Augustus Pablo, The Scientist and Sly and Robbie are all superb for "noobs".

I also recommend old-school trance music (c.1997-2000). You could convince yourself it's prog pretty easily after a "doobie".

May Blitz's music was made for smoking to, but don't drop a tab and listen to Blue Cheer

 

Stay away from smack and charlie if you know what's good for you



Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 08:53
Trouble is, after a spliff, I just can't decide what to listen to!

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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 08:55
Listen to Magma Live on LSD, but be careful; it might turn into a horror trip.

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Posted By: spectral
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 08:57

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Trouble is, after a spliff, I just can't decide what to listen to!

...can't decide?  I can't even get up!



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Posted By: Keke
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 09:04

I don't really do drugs, but I guess...

Zeuhl, Psychedelia, Space, and heavier, chaotic things, like CTTE or 21st Century Schizoid Man.



Posted By: xhamasaki
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 09:13
dont do drugs they are bad for you      


Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 09:20
Originally posted by xhamasaki xhamasaki wrote:

dont do drugs they are bad for you      


To elaborate - I've witnessed a close friend get completely destroyed by drugs over the last four years. She's 19... They may seem like a good idea at the time (but I've never had a great time whenever I've tried them, and I have several times) but trust me, they're not a Good Thing.


Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 09:36
I like to stick to weed...  don't do it often...  but when I do, I reach for The Flower Kings, King Crimson, Fredrik Thordendal, or hell, just about anything complex...  

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Posted By: felixxx
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 09:56
I think space and kraut rock would be perfect to mach with drugs


Posted By: lynton samuel
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 10:29
i was recently on a festival, a really bad festival, and we had listened a lot to porcupine tree's "voyage 34", it's about Brian's 34th lsd trip, which was his only bad one yet. we decided to eat hashish after some liters of wine, and went on a really bad trip. really really bad. none of us remember much, so i think it was our "voyage". none of our planned concerts was seen by any of us

i certainly liked to listen to that song before this "trip", but now i don't know.


Posted By: Gloryscene
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 10:58
Originally posted by spectral spectral wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Trouble is, after a spliff, I just can't decide what to listen to!

...can't decide?  I can't even get up!

you can't get up i don't leave the house for days. Probably because I have a hash yoghurt for brekkie, lunch and tea!



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Posted By: Borealis
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 15:04
Tangerine Dream. Tangerine Dream... Tangerine Dream! Seriously, I don't know anything better...

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Posted By: abyssyinfinity
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 15:10
Originally posted by Borealis Borealis wrote:

Tangerine Dream. Tangerine Dream... Tangerine Dream! Seriously, I don't know anything better...


Try Schwingungen by Ash Ra Tempel...


Posted By: abyssyinfinity
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 15:14
Originally posted by Trouserpress Trouserpress wrote:


Originally posted by abyssyinfinity abyssyinfinity wrote:

Pholas Dactylus


Brilliant one-shot Italian band!


... and if you understand the lyrics is much better than a "trip"...


Posted By: nimrodel
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 15:15
drugs are baad.. okey.

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Posted By: Hammill
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 15:52
hawkwind and eloy

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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 16:08

Originally posted by nimrodel nimrodel wrote:

drugs are baad.. okey.

No they're not.

Abusing drugs is bad.



Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 16:10

coke.jpg

college.jpg

 



Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 16:11
Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

Originally posted by nimrodel nimrodel wrote:

drugs are baad.. okey.

No they're not.

Abusing drugs is bad.

Abusing Cert is fun though.........

you old pedant!



Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 16:13
Originally posted by abyssyinfinity abyssyinfinity wrote:

Originally posted by Trouserpress Trouserpress wrote:


Originally posted by abyssyinfinity abyssyinfinity wrote:

Pholas Dactylus


Brilliant one-shot Italian band!


... and if you understand the lyrics is much better than a "trip"...


I'd love to understand the words... the concept of having a narrator rather than a singer is very intriguing. I suppose there's a narrative?

I ought to see if there's a translation available somewhere.


Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 16:21
Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

Originally posted by nimrodel nimrodel wrote:

drugs are baad.. okey.

No they're not.

Abusing drugs is bad.

Abusing Cert is fun though.........

you old pedant!

Less of the old, if you please...



Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 16:25
Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

Originally posted by nimrodel nimrodel wrote:

drugs are baad.. okey.

No they're not.

Abusing drugs is bad.

Abusing Cert is fun though.........

you old pedant!

Less of the old, if you please...



Point proven.


Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 16:26

Nu-Metal for Cert:



Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 16:31

Listened to the 666 album by Aphrodites Child after a few bowls, pretty cool experience.... My friend (whom never heard of them before) and myself smoked up and listned to the Ocean album, that was a kick ass roller coaster ride, hmmm....... oh yeah The Greatest Show On Earths second album is alllso another one, oh yes, I was really lifted into heaven when I heard Credo by Refugee the middle slow section with the church organ, never forget that, its like climbing a golden sstairwell to heaven, or or remember that one scene in Alice in Wonderland where she is falling down into Wonderland, well when I listened to that, I felt like I was going up that passage.... Some memories of listening to Mainhorse (with Moraz), espically the last track God, pretty trippy, liek the opening spacey syntesizers, the middle part where the guys sings something "take a look into my eyes and try to see through my disguise, I swear to you I am not Lucifer" and you here a ghostly piano in the background going along with it", I listened to Flaming Youths album the first 20-25 times stoned, honestly, there are times where I can just put that album on, and won't even have to smoke in order to get into that state of mind. Many times listened to Yes, pretty much all of their albums that way, wow list goes on, still some kick ass times.....



Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 16:32
what i meant to sat before about that Ocean album forgot to say the bands name, Eloy.......


Posted By: Odd24
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 17:02

Frank Zappa with:

Nasal retentive calliope music (God, it's God, I see God (E.C.))

The chrome plated megaphone of destiny

Lumpy Gravy pt 1 (first 8 minutes)

Brown shoes don't make it

I wonder what it would be like listening to these songs for the first time just after taking some...



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Posted By: Nipsey88
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 17:36
I only smoke weed, but my favorites while gettin all Cheech and Chong are:

Ozric Tentacles
Hidria Spacefolk
Flower Kings
Zappa
Gong
Porcupine Tree
Mahavishnu
Grateful Dead
John Coltrane
Miles Davis
Thelonius Monk

P.S. In college, I dropped 3 hits of acid and played the Butthole Surfers. My advice to you: don't do this. I literally had to go sit outside in the quiet for about an hour afterward, just to get my head together again.Wacko





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Posted By: Kubla Khan
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 19:15
dont do drugs guys is too bad for your health


Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 19:17

Originally posted by Kubla Khan Kubla Khan wrote:

dont do drugs guys is too bad for your health

Did you know that Coleridge wrote "Kubla Khan" whilst under the influence of opium?

Geek



Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 19:21
Drugs suck,I have seen too many lives destroyed by them.You don't need drugs to enjoy music,if you do I feel sorry for you.

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Posted By: Paradox
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 20:02

Nobody needs drugs to enjoy music, i think every drug user here will agree with you. However, music can be greatly enhanced by drug usage, taking it to a whole new level.

Jade Warrior - Last Autumn's Dream is fantastic to listen to when stoned. Progressive rock with oriental influences. This album may appear boring to a lot of people though.



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Posted By: Yanns
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 20:28

Here, I have an idea. How many people here have never tried drugs in their life? Me, for one... Who else?

 



Posted By: MustShaveBeard
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 20:30

Originally posted by Kubla Khan Kubla Khan wrote:

dont do drugs guys is too bad for your health

Really!?! Summon the scribes I think we've got something here!!! I'll put down my LSD right now! It's the start of a new life! Thank you Kubla Khan!

 

By the way I don't do drugs.



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Posted By: HeirToRuin
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 21:47
I have been absolutely WOWed by The Ancients (Giants Under the Sun) by Yes before when really stoned. 

Of course, I think when you're stoned, most music can pull you in if you really stop to listen to it.


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Posted By: Bryan
Date Posted: June 22 2005 at 23:21
Originally posted by Trouserpress Trouserpress wrote:

Originally posted by xhamasaki xhamasaki wrote:

dont do drugs they are bad for you      


To elaborate - I've witnessed a close friend get completely destroyed by drugs over the last four years. She's 19... They may seem like a good idea at the time (but I've never had a great time whenever I've tried them, and I have several times) but trust me, they're not a Good Thing.


My girlfriend (who's an absolutely amazing person, despite any bad experiences she may have gone through) has suffered permanent brain damage from drug abuse.  She's 16.  So I have to agree with your sentiment here.


Posted By: SirPsycho388
Date Posted: June 23 2005 at 00:17
The best is getting totally into conceptual sh*t. I love doing shrooms to Wish You Were Here... the beginning of Shine On totally pulls me in. Relayer is also amazing, i cant get enough of The Gates of Delerium. I'm thinking about trying some sh*t while listening to Octavarium, i figure the upward crescendo of that song will be amazing!

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Posted By: HeirToRuin
Date Posted: June 23 2005 at 00:18
Originally posted by Useful_Idiot Useful_Idiot wrote:


My girlfriend (who's an absolutely amazing person, despite any bad experiences she may have gone through) has suffered permanent brain damage from drug abuse.  She's 16.  So I have to agree with your sentiment here.



It's easier for minors to get illegal drugs than it is to get cigarettes and alcohol these days if the "I ID" programs are actually enforced.  Students in surveys admit to having tried marijuana that have never smoked cigarettes or had alcohol and cite that it is hard to obtain the latter than it is illegal drugs.  Hell, if I want to get pot, I'd find a high school student.

Also note that marijuana is actually neuroprotective and recent research in Alzheimer's rat models that cannabinoids were able to prevent Alzheimer's pathology.  It's impossible to overdose on it as well. 

Your friend most likely was using MDMA, which is often used as a positive control for experiments requiring neuronal death.


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Posted By: Bryan
Date Posted: June 23 2005 at 00:30
Originally posted by HeirToRuin HeirToRuin wrote:

Originally posted by Useful_Idiot Useful_Idiot wrote:


My girlfriend (who's an absolutely amazing person, despite any bad experiences she may have gone through) has suffered permanent brain damage from drug abuse.  She's 16.  So I have to agree with your sentiment here.



It's easier for minors to get illegal drugs than it is to get cigarettes and alcohol these days if the "I ID" programs are actually enforced.  Students in surveys admit to having tried marijuana that have never smoked cigarettes or had alcohol and cite that it is hard to obtain the latter than it is illegal drugs.  Hell, if I want to get pot, I'd find a high school student.

Also note that marijuana is actually neuroprotective and recent research in Alzheimer's rat models that cannabinoids were able to prevent Alzheimer's pathology.  It's impossible to overdose on it as well. 

Your friend most likely was using MDMA, which is often used as a positive control for experiments requiring neuronal death.


I'm not just talking about pot.  She's been into cocaine, LSD and even crystal meth for a little while (although she does drink and smoke a ton of pot as well).  Not that I'm saying all of you guys will also go that far, I'm just saying not to.


Posted By: JesusBetancourt
Date Posted: June 23 2005 at 00:46

I am very dissapointed that some of you advocate drug use...especially with prog.

I have enjoyed this website becouse It seemed to me that everyone on this website are responsible and educated people(and many are im sure) who do not need drugs to enjoy there music. It is a shame that some of you advocate drug use bieng full grown adults and forget that alot of people on this website are young and gullable. We need to be rolemodels. Prog is about music not drugs.



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Posted By: Benighted
Date Posted: June 23 2005 at 00:55

Frank Zappa's "Lumpy Gravy" is a classic amongst my stoner buddies.

Jethro Tull is great for a quiet smokin' session, same with King Crimson.

Today (after several bowls) I popped in John Zorn's "Naninani II" and before I knew what was happening I was on the ground in convulsions and screaming, all whilst slamming my head into my coffee table.  Today was the first time Zorn's ever made any sense. 



Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: June 23 2005 at 01:01
I drink heavily to all prog.  No drugs.  Not anymore anyway.  But my favorite bands to drink to are Pink Floyd, especially Meddle, VDGG, and King Crimson.  My favorite CD to get trashed to?  Marillion's Clutching at Straws, an album about alcoholism.  Go figure.

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Posted By: SheriffJB
Date Posted: June 23 2005 at 01:22
I don't drink or do drugs, but I imagine OK Computer, Lark's Tongues in Aspic, and Miles in the Sky, Bitches Brew, or In a Silent Way by Miles Davis would be great selections for that, as they make me feel as stoned as the people playing the music . . .

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Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: June 23 2005 at 02:14
German prog, PF, Gong and Clearlight!


Posted By: Retrovertigo
Date Posted: June 23 2005 at 02:25
All you drug-users are losers.


Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: June 23 2005 at 02:45

Originally posted by Retrovertigo Retrovertigo wrote:

All you drug-users are losers.

You think so?

I have a great job, a fantastic wife, a beautiful daughter, own my house - which is fully computer networked - and drive a cool car.

I don't feel like a loser in the slightest little bit.

 

Anyway - pot, kettle, black - YOU are a drug user. If you really want to deny it, then stop breathing.



Posted By: JesusBetancourt
Date Posted: June 23 2005 at 02:47

Originally posted by Retrovertigo Retrovertigo wrote:

All you drug-users are losers.

They are not losers.....they just do not know any better.

This also goes to all alchoul drinkers. Drinking has done more damage to people, and families then any other drugs....you all need to wise up. Im only saying this becouse it is true nad becouse I care.



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Posted By: JesusBetancourt
Date Posted: June 23 2005 at 02:54
Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

Originally posted by Retrovertigo Retrovertigo wrote:

All you drug-users are losers.

You think so?

I have a great job, a fantastic wife, a beautiful daughter, own my house - which is fully computer networked - and drive a cool car.

I don't feel like a loser in the slightest little bit.

 

Anyway - pot, kettle, black - YOU are a drug user. If you really want to deny it, then stop breathing.

No offense friend...the only thing you have that is great is your family( materialism means nothing, it is vanity) You should be an example to your children. As a father I feel that it is my responsibilty to show my child what is right and wrong...good and evil....through my actions. I am not judging you( that is not my job) I am not a perfict person myself and I am very sure you are a great father yourslf but understand that what you are doing is not good nor right.

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Posted By: Retrovertigo
Date Posted: June 23 2005 at 02:56
Indeed.


Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: June 23 2005 at 03:12

I feel it is right, and I also feel it is not right for you to make judgements on other people.

As I said, you are also a drug-user, whether you consider it so or not. Your body is one big chemical reaction.

I do not consider my wife or child to be material things - although you could consider them that way if you were pedantic enough.

There is some good in everything - to paint anything as completely bad is to not understand it.

*peace*



Posted By: Eetu Pellonpaa
Date Posted: June 23 2005 at 03:13

King Crimson's "Wetton"-period or the 80's

Anekdoten

Hawkwind

Pink Floyd of the 60's

Ralph Towner (jazz, oops)

etc.



Posted By: SheriffJB
Date Posted: June 23 2005 at 03:14
Why do people feel the need to do drugs anyway? Can't one just get that satisfaction out of life instead of tripping through it?

I don't understand it and I never will.


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Posted By: SheriffJB
Date Posted: June 23 2005 at 03:19
Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

There is some good in everything - to paint anything as completely bad is to not understand it.



Is there good in heroin addiction?


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Tom MacMillan
Sacramento, CA




Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: June 23 2005 at 03:22
"own my house - which is fully computer networked - and drive a cool car." quite materialistic comment.



Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: June 23 2005 at 03:22
Originally posted by Retrovertigo Retrovertigo wrote:

All you drug-users are losers.


You're maybe addicted to food, TV, computer, sex or music!


Posted By: felona
Date Posted: June 23 2005 at 03:33

um ... would chocolate count as a drug? It contains small quantities of anadamine which is related to cannabis so (in theory) if you consumed enough you would get stoned (and fat). It also contains theobromine which has amphetaminic properties.  It is also supposed to be an aphrodisiac due to  two particular substances, Phenylethylamin and Serotonin, both of which serve as anti-depressants.  This causes a rapid mood change, a rise in blood pressure, increasing the heart rate and inducing those feelings of well being, bordering on euphoria usually associated with being in love ... Aaaaaaaaaaaaaah

So, accompanied to the music of PFM's   Chocolate Kings ... I would begin by sniffing the chocolate wrapper and carefully collecting any particles of choclolate dust therein .Then I would drop a few tabs of  Lindt 80% Cocoa  (it is very pure - uncut with any additives or emulsifiers) probably listening to The Land Of Chocolate's  Unikorn on the Cob ...  then I would be so relaxed  I could  even find a surge of passion for Phil Collins  ...

research shows theat women seem to be more susceptible to the effects of chocolate ... I'm not so sure ...

  chocolate 



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I was never really sure what I was waiting for. When the moment came I was looking away ......
The Church "After Everything Now This"


Posted By: illustrated
Date Posted: June 23 2005 at 03:52

I recently bought Gong - You

Good drug music I think.



Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: June 23 2005 at 03:54
There are some psychoactives that are the same in both choco and canna. Btw, canna gives a great taste for choco!


Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: June 23 2005 at 03:57

Maybe we should start organize a festival: PAD (Prog Against Drugs).

Well, I'm with the non-users obviously  .



Posted By: philippe
Date Posted: June 23 2005 at 04:00

interesting suggestions Oliverstoned

krautrock is the best for that! next to the Berlin electronic scene (The Cosmic jokers...) acid folk (Emma Myldenberger, Witthuser & westrupp, Kalakacra...)



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Posted By: JesusBetancourt
Date Posted: June 23 2005 at 04:00
Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

I feel it is right, and I also feel it is not right for you to make judgements on other people.

As I said, you are also a drug-user, whether you consider it so or not. Your body is one big chemical reaction.

I do not consider my wife or child to be material things - although you could consider them that way if you were pedantic enough.

There is some good in everything - to paint anything as completely bad is to not understand it.

*peace*

Friend you have misunderstood me......first of all by materialism I ment your car, house, etc...what i meant by that is that the only thing that matters and that one should be happy for is there family. By saying that all do drugs becouse there body is one big chemical reaction is a naturalistic fallacy. There is only good in that which is pure, holy, and rightess. I never judged you becouse it is not my position to judge becouse i myself am inperfect.



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"He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water"
              John 7:38


Posted By: MorgothSunshine
Date Posted: June 23 2005 at 04:01

What a wonderful trip last night with Tangerine Dream "Zeit" ! 

No drugs, only Tangerine Dream...     



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For every truth even the contrary is true...


Posted By: JesusBetancourt
Date Posted: June 23 2005 at 04:16
Originally posted by JesusBetancourt JesusBetancourt wrote:

Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

I feel it is right, and I also feel it is not right for you to make judgements on other people.

As I said, you are also a drug-user, whether you consider it so or not. Your body is one big chemical reaction.

I do not consider my wife or child to be material things - although you could consider them that way if you were pedantic enough.

There is some good in everything - to paint anything as completely bad is to not understand it.

*peace*

Friend you have misunderstood me......first of all by materialism I ment your car, house, etc...what i meant by that is that the only thing that matters and that one should be happy for is there family. By saying that all do drugs becouse there body is one big chemical reaction is a naturalistic fallacy. There is only good in that which is pure, holy, and rightess. I never judged you becouse it is not my position to judge becouse i myself am inperfect.

allow me to also say that it does not matter what one "feels" is right or "feels" whats wrong what matters is what IS right and what IS wrong. Morality is objective not relative. That is why I enjoy music...it is imo amoral.

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"He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water"
              John 7:38


Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: June 23 2005 at 04:19
Originally posted by JesusBetancourt JesusBetancourt wrote:

Originally posted by JesusBetancourt JesusBetancourt wrote:

Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

I feel it is right, and I also feel it is not right for you to make judgements on other people.

As I said, you are also a drug-user, whether you consider it so or not. Your body is one big chemical reaction.

I do not consider my wife or child to be material things - although you could consider them that way if you were pedantic enough.

There is some good in everything - to paint anything as completely bad is to not understand it.

*peace*

Friend you have misunderstood me......first of all by materialism I ment your car, house, etc...what i meant by that is that the only thing that matters and that one should be happy for is there family. By saying that all do drugs becouse there body is one big chemical reaction is a naturalistic fallacy. There is only good in that which is pure, holy, and rightess. I never judged you becouse it is not my position to judge becouse i myself am inperfect.

allow me to also say that it does not matter what one "feels" is right or "feels" whats wrong what matters is what IS right and what IS wrong. Morality is objective not relative. That is why I enjoy music...it is imo amoral.



Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: June 23 2005 at 04:22
Originally posted by JesusBetancourt JesusBetancourt wrote:

I am very dissapointed that some of you advocate drug use...especially with prog.

I have enjoyed this website becouse It seemed to me that everyone on this website are responsible and educated people(and many are im sure) who do not need drugs to enjoy there music. It is a shame that some of you advocate drug use bieng full grown adults and forget that alot of people on this website are young and gullable. We need to be rolemodels. Prog is about music not drugs.

Dead

There is only room for one preacher on this forum..............and he doesnt preach to us!

How dare you be so patronising.Angry

 



Posted By: illustrated
Date Posted: June 23 2005 at 04:23
Hatfield and the North


Posted By: JesusBetancourt
Date Posted: June 23 2005 at 04:29
Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Originally posted by JesusBetancourt JesusBetancourt wrote:

I am very dissapointed that some of you advocate drug use...especially with prog.

I have enjoyed this website becouse It seemed to me that everyone on this website are responsible and educated people(and many are im sure) who do not need drugs to enjoy there music. It is a shame that some of you advocate drug use bieng full grown adults and forget that alot of people on this website are young and gullable. We need to be rolemodels. Prog is about music not drugs.

Dead

There is only room for one preacher on this forum..............and he doesnt preach to us!

How dare you be so patronising.Angry

 

Im sorry you see things that way......

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"He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water"
              John 7:38


Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: June 23 2005 at 04:36
Originally posted by JesusBetancourt JesusBetancourt wrote:

Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Originally posted by JesusBetancourt JesusBetancourt wrote:


I am very dissapointed that some of you advocate drug use...especially with prog.


I have enjoyed this website becouse It seemed to me that everyone on this website are responsible and educated people(and many are im sure) who do not need drugs to enjoy there music. It is a shame that some of you advocate drug use bieng full grown adults and forget that alot of people on this website are young and gullable. We need to be rolemodels. Prog is about music not drugs.



Dead


There is only room for one preacher on this forum..............and he doesnt preach to us!


How dare you be so patronising.Angry


 

Im sorry you see things that way......


Don't forget that (most) real prog has been made under psychedelia (psychedelics are not drugs cause it don't bring addiction).
Nobody advocate the use of them
we just discuss


Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: June 23 2005 at 04:37
Originally posted by JesusBetancourt JesusBetancourt wrote:

Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Originally posted by JesusBetancourt JesusBetancourt wrote:

I am very dissapointed that some of you advocate drug use...especially with prog.

I have enjoyed this website becouse It seemed to me that everyone on this website are responsible and educated people(and many are im sure) who do not need drugs to enjoy there music. It is a shame that some of you advocate drug use bieng full grown adults and forget that alot of people on this website are young and gullable. We need to be rolemodels. Prog is about music not drugs.

Dead

There is only room for one preacher on this forum..............and he doesnt preach to us!

How dare you be so patronising.Angry

 

Im sorry you see things that way......

Yes,I do.

And you should be!

 



Posted By: JesusBetancourt
Date Posted: June 23 2005 at 04:43
Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Originally posted by JesusBetancourt JesusBetancourt wrote:

Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Originally posted by JesusBetancourt JesusBetancourt wrote:

I am very dissapointed that some of you advocate drug use...especially with prog.

I have enjoyed this website becouse It seemed to me that everyone on this website are responsible and educated people(and many are im sure) who do not need drugs to enjoy there music. It is a shame that some of you advocate drug use bieng full grown adults and forget that alot of people on this website are young and gullable. We need to be rolemodels. Prog is about music not drugs.

Dead

There is only room for one preacher on this forum..............and he doesnt preach to us!

How dare you be so patronising.Angry

 

Im sorry you see things that way......

Yes,I do.

And you should be!

 

if it makes you any happier for me to say that i am so be it....I am a humble person and if my humility brings joy to you then l shall be, for you. 

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"He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water"
              John 7:38


Posted By: JesusBetancourt
Date Posted: June 23 2005 at 04:45
Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

Originally posted by JesusBetancourt JesusBetancourt wrote:

Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Originally posted by JesusBetancourt JesusBetancourt wrote:


I am very dissapointed that some of you advocate drug use...especially with prog.


I have enjoyed this website becouse It seemed to me that everyone on this website are responsible and educated people(and many are im sure) who do not need drugs to enjoy there music. It is a shame that some of you advocate drug use bieng full grown adults and forget that alot of people on this website are young and gullable. We need to be rolemodels. Prog is about music not drugs.



Dead


There is only room for one preacher on this forum..............and he doesnt preach to us!


How dare you be so patronising.Angry


 

Im sorry you see things that way......


Don't forget that (most) real prog has been made under psychedelia (psychedelics are not drugs cause it don't bring addiction).
Nobody advocate the use of them
we just discuss
That is very true, however those drugs are called hallucnagins(pardon my spelling) and most people develop a pshycological addiction to them like porn.

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"He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water"
              John 7:38


Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: June 23 2005 at 04:47
Originally posted by JesusBetancourt JesusBetancourt wrote:

Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Originally posted by JesusBetancourt JesusBetancourt wrote:

Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Originally posted by JesusBetancourt JesusBetancourt wrote:

I am very dissapointed that some of you advocate drug use...especially with prog.

I have enjoyed this website becouse It seemed to me that everyone on this website are responsible and educated people(and many are im sure) who do not need drugs to enjoy there music. It is a shame that some of you advocate drug use bieng full grown adults and forget that alot of people on this website are young and gullable. We need to be rolemodels. Prog is about music not drugs.

Dead

There is only room for one preacher on this forum..............and he doesnt preach to us!

How dare you be so patronising.Angry

 

Im sorry you see things that way......

Yes,I do.

And you should be!

 

if it makes you any happier for me to say that i am so be it....I am a humble person and if my humility brings joy to you then l shall be, for you. 

Tongue



Posted By: JesusBetancourt
Date Posted: June 23 2005 at 04:51

Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

Originally posted by Retrovertigo Retrovertigo wrote:

All you drug-users are losers.


You're maybe addicted to food, TV, computer, sex or music!

those are also psychological addictions



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"He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water"
              John 7:38


Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: June 23 2005 at 04:53
Originally posted by JesusBetancourt JesusBetancourt wrote:

Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

Originally posted by Retrovertigo Retrovertigo wrote:

All you drug-users are losers.
You're maybe addicted to food, TV, computer, sex or music!


those are also psychological addictions



Believing that there are loosers and winners is an illusion.


Posted By: JesusBetancourt
Date Posted: June 23 2005 at 04:57
Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

Originally posted by JesusBetancourt JesusBetancourt wrote:

Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

Originally posted by Retrovertigo Retrovertigo wrote:

All you drug-users are losers.
You're maybe addicted to food, TV, computer, sex or music!


those are also psychological addictions



Believing that there are loosers and winners is an illusion.

That is true.....there is only right and wrong and good and evil.



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"He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water"
              John 7:38


Posted By: JesusBetancourt
Date Posted: June 23 2005 at 04:59
The words loser and winners are used by contemporary society to judge men by there accomplishments(status , money , etc), they do not determine a persons true worth. We are all created equal...

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"He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water"
              John 7:38


Posted By: JesusBetancourt
Date Posted: June 23 2005 at 05:01

Men are judeged as either rightess or wicked in the eyes of one.



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"He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water"
              John 7:38


Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: June 23 2005 at 05:02
 


Posted By: JesusBetancourt
Date Posted: June 23 2005 at 05:04
Excellent illistration

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"He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water"
              John 7:38


Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: June 23 2005 at 05:18
Originally posted by JesusBetancourt JesusBetancourt wrote:

The words loser and winners are used by contemporary society to judge men by there accomplishments(status , money , etc), they do not determine a persons true worth. We are all created equal...


You don't need to believe in these notions...

Good and bad, false and truth are only humans interpretations, mental creations


Posted By: oliverstoned
Date Posted: June 23 2005 at 05:37


Posted By: JesusBetancourt
Date Posted: June 23 2005 at 05:44

Originally posted by oliverstoned oliverstoned wrote:

Originally posted by JesusBetancourt JesusBetancourt wrote:

The words loser and winners are used by contemporary society to judge men by there accomplishments(status , money , etc), they do not determine a persons true worth. We are all created equal...


You don't need to believe in these notions...

Good and bad, false and truth are only humans interpretations, mental creations
 

 a persons interpitation of what is good and bad /false and true is an abstraction of the mind however there is a truth and a good and evil(bad) that is above the humane mind.



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"He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water"
              John 7:38



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