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hahah... you know missed that first time.... the only thing that kept your alternative song from being written in as a top 3 vote...was the broad not taking a drag from the smoke she fired up during the instrumental break... now that is old school....
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figured you would have.. it was a modern classic As much as I did love the album.. never really did get into any of their later albums.. I think by that time in my life I had really started my Leaving Los Vegas years of prolonged years of self abuse and gravitated toward music that fed that path to self destruction... jazz and the blues.. in particular Billy Holliday whom I discovered via my dealer and part time ...ummm g/f
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Hey! thanks for that Raff.. it seems I missed the most epic years! haha I wonder who could have been the one with the definition.. I think I could adhiere to it.. (on the critical side) though it depends what we're talking about.. I like my adventurous stuff no doubt, I'm big on Zappa.. on the classical side I like my 1900's.. but not the stuff that are mostly only sounds.. PD: The definition can include cheetah's with metal things in the head isn't it? |
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Hey Lorenzo, allow me to post out-of-competition this one thing that your post and song somehow reminded me, and that I LOVE and would love to show you (and if I wait to the next 'Latin' poll I'll never post it) ...for what I barely know you, you're a passionate guy.. This could easily be the single latin thing I like the most Is by Uruguayan Alfredo Zitarrosa. This stuff makes me cry... I'm a guitar guy and the guitar is simply beautiful... it tells mainly 'fields'/country ("campo") stories.. sad ones.. and the lyrics are BEAUTIFUL! This one in particular is not composed by him; it's mexican, but I surely like this one better than the original. It's about a nephew who stumbles upon his "padrino" in the city.. where he is working unloading a wagon and drinking wine.. they haven't seen each other in years.. and the uncle asks him not to tell anybody that he's here, and tells him his wife passed away, the boys grew up and left, and he lost the harvest.. and there's nothing left for him in the field. Then the nephew departs relating beautiful and vivid memories of his uncle in the beautiful scenery of the fields where he lived. Edited by Machinemessiah - June 27 2020 at 10:33 |
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you were around for the real epic years.. this was kids play .. and decidedly more recent.. last year or two.
I think I remember who it was.. or perhaps not.. they are sort of run together and are like those little yeapping dogs who nip at your ankes and the only possible kindness you can show them is restraing the urge to kick them through some imagined uprights... ie... the generic bobbleheaded Genesis fanboy moron this forum has FAR too many of |
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Other impressions:
6) Quartet with Piazzolla: Given that I love Piazzolla and tango nuevo, this makes me a listener very well predisposed to this music. However, this piece does not excite me. It is a song where the tango nuevo moves towards classical music, in fact there is a string quartet to accompany the Piazzolla bandoneon, and the music is based on rhythm, there is no main melody, except in the instrumental digressions, those of the violin and the bandoneon, which I like better when playing solo than the ensemble. The rhythm very marked by the strings, and the melody that does not take off, I must confess, make listening difficult. It is music that approaches contemporary classical music almost a little dissonant. 7) Exuma: This is tribal music that sounds completely new to my ears. Considering the year of production, we could consider it proto-prog or afro-Caribbean prog: perhaps we should open this category here on PA. In reality the song cannot be assimilated to the prog because it continues with the same identical rhythm from start to finish. The basis of the music is the rhythm and the hoarse singing of the singer, who resembles certain blues or funky singers and in fact reminds me of James Brown. It's a piece that amused me but I think I appreciate it more as a dance rather than as a music. I don't think he will reach the podium. 8) Hauser Orkater is an interesting hybrid between a military march and a tango. It looks like a cabaret song, very theatrical, with the most recited lyrics that you sing. Musically it does not seem exciting to me, but it has a grotesque flavor from the top and perhaps close to the absurd theater that makes it interesting. I don't know if it may be a contender to the podium. 9) Metà Metà - Logun. I'm not a fan of samba and Brazilian dance in general, but this piece is a highly contaminated hybrid, where there are perhaps too many sonic suggestions, from the Caribbean winds, to the syncopated rhythm, and to the sound orgy, which becomes almost cacophony . There is a lot of meat on the fire, and a lot of smoke. I think this piece is almost a jam between the blues and the samba, and that it could be considered prog, maybe jazz-rock fusion, after all it could be assimilated to Santana but in the Brazilian sense. Great sound impact, emphatic, a little sensationalistic but decidedly creative. Here, I feel the inspiration behind all these changes of rhythm and arrangements. There is inspiration and there is also a little too much chaos that almost hides it, the group tends to overdo it, I don't know if there is the right word in English to express myself. Anyway, it's a remarkable song, and at the moment it's the best, in my opinion, among the ones I've heard. I could put it ALMOST on the same level as Scirocco, where Guccini is more melodic and refined and this is more orchestrated and with great sound impact. This is more bombastic, Guccini is thiner. |
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Snicolette
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First impressions on all of the regular entrants, while I make up my mind on final 3. And again, you are all so great at this, it is very hard to come to a decision on just 3. Which is partly why it's so fun.
Francesco Guccini - Scirocco ~ I enjoyed
this one, on first listen, the singer sounded a little strident to me, second
time around, less so. I used a
translator for the lyrics. A sort of sad
story. I like the use of accordion or
concertina, brings the café feel into the song. I watch clouds a lot (mentioned
in the lyrics). A contender. Also bonus points for the beautiful Tango
video you posted. Djavan (w/The Manhattan Transfer) – Capim ~ Nice, laid back kind of happy feel with this one. Listening to those voices, wow, what a blend! I like the effect, but the piece is a little “happier,” than I usually like. Extra points, though for introducing me to Shearwater. Inti Illimani - A La Caza del Nandù ~ Oh, I just love this. Complex guitar work, lovely ornamentation with the violin, the Andean pipes, brass and flute, punctuated by the percussion Dynamically engaging . Certainly a contender. Another new and wonderful alternate selection, Waters of March, as well. Tribe of Gypsies - Admit It ~ Captivating Latin
rock….This would go over very big in my second home town of Santa Cruz. Also a little “happier,” than what I usually
do like, but it’s very appealing. Possibly a contender. Carlos Reyes - Niko's Rumba ~ My entry Kronos Quartet & APiazzolla - Five Tango
Sensations: Anxiety ~ Definitely felt the “anxiety,” in the name in parts. Kept my interest engaged, where would they go
next? How would they get there? A contender.
Metalachi, Crazy Fun! Exuma - Exuma, the Obeah Man ~ Really an interesting piece. Like the different animal noises in it,
really get a feeling of eavesdropping into an Obeah ritual. Some of the melody of the chorus reminded me
of Stevie Wonder’s “Living For The City.”
This preceded that song.
Anyway. The most unexpected entry
for me, in thinking of Latin America.
Points for that, certainly. Vijver Hauser Orkater - Dichtgevroren ~ I love the
translated lyrics! I’m not so fond of
the piece, itself. But the music does go
well with the lyrics, sort of absurdist in feel. Not a contender for me though, but certainly
outside of what I would listen to normally, so made me think. Meta Meta – Logun ~ Enjoyed this one….moved right
along and swept me with it. I was not as
fond of the first singer as I was the music…..Until the backup singers came
in. Then I loved that part. Then the female singer was fabulous. Am going to listen some more, this could be a
grows on me contender. Working Week - Vinceremos (7'' Edit) ~ Nice blend of
styles here. Again, too “happy,” for me,
overall, despite it’s appeal with it’s complexity. Stan Getz and Jao Gilberto - O Grande Amor ~ There
was not much that I knew in this bunch, but this one I do know (I know, you’re
all surprised),, so am holding it aside from voting. My mom had a big Stan Getz collection, so
happily, this reminds me of her, therefore, points for that. 😊 Chicoria Sánchez - Tonada por Despedida ~ Love this.
Solo acoustic guitar is so beautiful.
This sounds almost simple, but it’s the ability of the guitarist that
makes it seem so. A contender. Alexandre Klinke – Lugar ~ This one moved right along,
liked his voice and the rhythms. A
potential contender. Rodrigo y Gabriela- Hanuman ~ Very familiar with
them, so not going to put them into the vote.
But I do love what they do. Doug Sahm - Medocino ~
This one, going to not vote…..although
I’d said I might. I will have more to
say, though, when I post my votes, which I’m trying to figure out. Also enjoyed your potentials. Lula Côrtes & Zé Ramalho - Trilha De Sumé ~ Made
me think of Jefferson Airplane’s, “Lather,” with the buzzing kind of
sound. Hypnotic kind of tribalistic sounds,
at least to my ear. Your out of
competition entry, has that pretty, melancholy kind of sound that my ear
enjoys. Perhaps a contender, as it’s so
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Logan
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While I alreday loved Exuma, I might follo your guidelines and not vote for it because I have had the first two Exuma albums for many years and listened to them so many times.
Had I gone with Exuma, this would have been my choice: That Exuma album and Dr. John, The Night Tripper's Gris-Gris, which Micky mentioned the I think superb "I Walk on Guilded Splinters" from the album as his out of competition choice have similarities. The album that my Lula Côrtes & Zé Ramalho choice is off I one that I would think has similar qualities to Exuma and Gris-Gris. my out of competition choice is a lovely song off a quite weird album. I have yet to listen through the choices, I should get going. I do know plenty of Kronos Quartet material, but I don't think I know that one. |
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Yes, Logan, those two are head to head with each other (Exuma and Lula) in my mind, they are a similar type to my ear. Which do I prefer? And does it make top 3? I have yet to decide.
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Logan
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Okay, first listen:
Francesco Guccini - Scirocco: I like this and as I have quite an Italian collection it makes me think I should have been thinking of music from Italy (maybe some spaghetti western music). Neat to see that Vince Tempera plays on it, as I am a fan of his. He's been involved in so much great music. Djavan (w/The Manhattan Transfer) - Capim: I enjoyed this. I like a lot of laid back music, but I guess the consistent cheerfulness makes it seem rather superficial/ vacuous to me. Life is suffering, get with the program! With more contrast and variation, it would have been more appealing. Bouncy in its way, but I would like a little more cojones, bouncy or not, but meaty. Inti Illimani - A La Caza del Nandù: I definitely like it, but right now I am looking for the cojones. Tribe of Gypsies - Admit It: Remids me a bit too much of boy band music. Slick, not really for me. Gimme something a little more edgy, unique, and maybe raunchy. Well, I don't know what the song is about. Carlos Reyes - Niko's Rumba. I know him, if not that tune, but it just seems too safe and mainstream for me right now. Enjoyable, but not what I'm into today. Kronos Quartet & APiazzolla - Five Tango Sensations: Anxiety: A bit of anxiety sounds like just what I need. I do already love lots of Kronos Quartet Music. I want to be put on edge right now. I do like that very much, and that is a contender. Exuma - Exuma, the Obeah Man: Now this is one I've known very well for a decade or so. I have Exuma's first two albums and have listened to them many times over the years. While It would definitely be a contender, due to my very abundant familiarity I may end up discounting it in my voting. I'll stop there for now, and continue this later. By the way, I hadn't known that instrumentals would be included as "songs". Perhaps to avoid confusion, when both instrumentals and one with vocals (songs) are included, we might ask for tracks/pieces of music or some such terms. I know some use the word "song" in a more general way than others. EDIT: Now continuing with the selections: Hauser Orkater - Dichtgevroren Vijver (1979): Dutch, now that's thinking out of the box and into the Dutch Oven. I really liked this and it will be a strong contender. Meta Meta - Logun: Yes, yes, yes! I am quite confident that this will be my winner. I loved that. It's everything I was hoping for du jour and more. Gets a clappy and a bold stamp of approval from me. It's gettin' spicy. Working Week - Vinceremos: Very much in my wheelhouse, and reminiscent of music I've been very into the last few months. I like it. It's a contender. It almost feels a little too familiar to me and a little safe per my tastes,and that it safely falls into what I have been into. Still, different enough. Stan Getz and Jao Gilberto - O Grande Amor: I really like and it sounds very familiar to me. I know Stan Getz. Much as I enjoy it, it might be just a little safe for me right now. Hoping for something really surrealistic, or even horrific, right now. Chicoria Sánchez - Tonada por Despedida: I love that guitar. Feel stupid not to have realised that songs could refer to pieces without singing, but now I see that people define it differently from me. Again, I love the guitar and fully enjoyed that. It's a contender. Alexandre Klinke - Lugar: That failymotion vid wasn't working for me, but is easily found on youtube. I really liked this and it is a contender. It is different enough from the other choices to stand out. On the negative side, he now lives in Vancouver and I feel that no one should live in Vancouver (well, me and my family get a pass). Nice city, beautiful scenery, but it could do without the people. ;) Just kidding, the restaurants and pubs would be less fun if I had to serve myself. Rodrigo y Gabriela - Hanuman. Good stuff, but I don't like them mocking Gary Numan with the title, as in Ha-Ha Numan, may the Tubeway Army blow up your Cars. Good piece, but I have little to say as is evident. They look every metal in performance style in the video. All part of the set and fun of the video. Doug Sahm - Medocino: Nice to hear some Tex-Mex. A contender for the sheer fun of it. Lula Côrtes & Zé Ramalho - Trilha De Sumé - my selection, so no comment and out of my contention, of course. Hope I didn't miss any. Wll need another spin at least to decide based on these, and not sure if more are going to be added. I;m confident that Meta Meta will be there, and probably the Kronos Quartet. Exuma would be if I didn't know it so well already. By the way, there's another track I thought of when I saw this poll, but I wondered if it fit enough at the time. Confident it would have. Not changing it, but I forgot that I had been planning to go with this one. I found this so beautiful. I'm happy to have gone with something more unusual though. Edited by Logan - June 27 2020 at 16:02 |
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In regards to the "happiness" of the "Capim" track:
I was going to post the original which is with Djavan alone with his band, but I felt it was too bright and happy which is why I went with the Manhattan Transfer version, the sort-of hazy feel they bring to the vocals tones down the brightness of the original, but I guess even that wasn't enough. However, MT's style is usually bright and upbeat jazz, that is the style of the vocalese groups I suppose (the same applies for "New York Voices"). I agree, their sound took some getting used to for me too, for exactly the same reason, it sounded too happy. I usually like the darker sounding stuff, or things so happy that they sound like they could go off the rails in insanity at any time. Anyway, I have grown to appreciate the happiness that MT seems to generate, but it is one of the few that I can tolerate, strangely enough.
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Well, in this case, the forumists should choose two songs and wait that sombedy expresses their opinion about them. It's a chance we can follow, but in a free way. Maybe not everyone wants to post two songs, or not everyone wants to be influenced by the opinions of some forum player. Anyway, when a person organizes a poll, he is free to put his rules in addition to the basic ones (non-prog songs, three votes) , for example he is free to put a theme or not. So, Micky, when you do another poll you colud propose to the participants not to immediately insert a song among those to vote, you can do it, maybe many of us are interested in posting two songs and see which one the participants like the most, in order to propose the one for the vote. |
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an interesting round, not my usual listens definitely, needs more listening, I will list my top 3 tomorrow.
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Machinemessiah
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My assesments so far: (may edit slightly; my votings in another post; loosely named the entries). In bold my finalists. *Francesco Guccini - Scirocco (Sirocco); nice, like it. Genuine stuff. Beautiful italian singing. I don't remember having listened to a tango in italian. Expressive cadences there, beautifully sang. *Djavan (w/The Manhattan Transfer) - Capim; you pretty much got me with the elegant jazz factor. *Inti Illimani - A la Caza del Ñandú; well done Raff, you played it safe there Tribe of Gypsyes - Admit it; great! fulfils very well the commission, it sounds great, though the singing doesn't suit me. Carlos Reyes - Niko's Rumba; great, fulfils the commission stupendously.. not a great fan of the violin though.. I just made the association with your avatar about the harp. In Chile the harp has an important place, in the national dance by the way, la "Cueca". And I understand the Chilean harp is a modified version of the harp used in classical contexts. *Kronos Quartet & A.P. - Five Tango Sensations: Anxiety; like it;
Hauser Orkater - Dichtgevroren Vijver; i Meta Meta - Logun; yeah.. good, interesting.. maybe not my cup of tea, but good. May grow with more listens.
Exuma - Exuma, the Obeah Man; can't figure out what everyone sees in it... even the cover art freaks me a little. the voice.. doesn't do it for me. Fairly plain.. without changes. It conveys some jungle feeling though.. perhaps with some dope.. don't know, I'm always evaluating sober hehe.
*Working Week - Venceremos (7'' Edit); yeah, like the instruments at the beginning.. and the voice and singing. The atmosphere. The jazz and cool ambient components call me : ) great blend. *Stan Getz and Jao Gilberto - O Grande Amor; yeah.. coolness.. the jazz / bossanova factor.. quiet. Played it safe there. Like it. Chicoria Sánchez - Tonada por Despedida; my entry. Alexandre Klinke - Lugar; yeah, ultra modernist stuff.. not what makes me confortable.. Rodrigo y Gabriela - Hanuman; not my thing. Doug Sahm - Medocino; Nice! fun stuff.. Lula Côrtes & Zé Ramalho - Trilha De Sumé; Adventurous stuff.. well played. It sympathizes me. Though the voice and singing style kind of break the great atmosphere for me. Edited by Machinemessiah - June 30 2020 at 22:19 |
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Another group that should be on PA...Rodrigo Y Gabriela. The decision making around here is silly.
Something a little less Latino. Perhaps you've heard of it: |
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Well, just think, if it was in PA's database, then his name wouldn't have been appropriate for this poll. Silver linings, man. Sometimes it's down to the music, or the individuals and teams evaluating it, sometimes it's down to poorly made suggestion threads, sometimes neglected suggestion threads, and sometimes it's because no one suggested it. A well put together suggestion thread can go a long way. I don't recall his evaluation, sort of seem to, so no comment on any specifics.
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Meta Meta - Logun One word: Wow. This is really interesting. I didn't know the band, but I will have to check them out more.
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Third step
10) Working Week. Very relaxing song. On the beach, with a drink in hand, and a girl to approach... or maybe in a disco at night, a disco on the beach. It recalls Sade to me. Relaxed and relaxing song, easy listening, pleasent. But too smooth for my taste. 11) Stan Getz and Joao Gilberto - a bossanova jazz, with the sax in the foreground. Ok, and now there is a problem. I like almost every kind of music, and when I want to evaluate a song I try to be a judge who does not take into account his tastes, that is, the music he listens to more easily, with more pleasure, but here in these topics precisely to avoid problems (which Logan often remembers) between what is "BEST" and what we "LIKE", that is "OUR FAVORITE", from the beginning I decided, as rule, to choose the favorite songs, that is to choose what you want, also based on the mood of the moment. Now, so what's the problem? the problem is that if I wanted to be a judge, that is, the music critic, this song would probably aspire to the podium, perhaps not really to the podium but it would be close, because I recognize that it is sophisticated, and I realize its qualities. But since we can choose our favorites here, this song has a problem with me: I cant stand the Brazilian SAUDADE, the melancholy of Portuguese origin with his shuffling and lamentable mood. This song does not have much saudade, because the saudade is heard above all with the singing associated with the rhythm, and here the vocals are few and the rhythm is delicate but ... in short, something saudade has it and it makes me indigestible. Do you know The Big Lebowsky? When The Dude telling the taxi driver he can't stand the Eagles? Here, I can't stand the Brazilian saudade. It is my limitation, my fault. Edited by jamesbaldwin - June 27 2020 at 17:30 |
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Yeah, I argued long and passionately...5 years ago. Waste of time. Perhaps I should have used a more monosyllabic, pedestrian approach, as the larger words seemed to have gotten lost in translation.
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Lula Cortes & Ze Ramalho - Trilha De Sume ends very abruptly. I suppose it is because it crossfades into another song on the album it is taken from?
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